Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Cody montana

Is he fully there?

PropJoe10

bocaman wrote: »

The Trump Presidency is a danger to Americans. That's being charitable.

Wait til the November election. If he loses, you ain't seen nothing yet. Gonna be a crazy time.

Roanmore

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Lunar mining ? Humans haven't been back to the moon since 1972 ffs and that took ten years to get there from sub oritibal flights with Alan Shepard to Apollo 11 and somehow mike pence announced that America is going back to the moon soon. This despite the USA not having a tested means to even getting to the ISS yet and relying on the russians. It might be in his thoughts but Donald trumps thoughts if they are anything like his utterances out loud aren't up to much.

Has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever do these people not realise the importance of the moon to the Earth?

LessOutragePlz

bocaman wrote: »

The Trump Presidency is a danger to Americans. That's being charitable.

How so?

randomname2005

Roanmore wrote: »

Has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever do these people not realise the importance of the moon to the Earth?

No problem, sure they might only take away a percentage of the mass, no issue disposing of waste, just let it off into space. /sarcasm

sid waddell

aloyisious wrote: »

Is Don doing a presentation tonight right now or is it a re-run? I went to CNN and caught him saying the experts in Europe, in the US. got it wrong about the virus, they got it wrong about the lockdown, he got it right by closing down the borders. He's actually claiming credit for the testing, that it's why the figures have climbed. Quote; New York and New Jersey are in great shape because of what we've done: unquote. He's either lying when he said that last or he's insane.

He's gaslighting, intentionally creating grotesque spectacle by saying things that are a blatant affront to basic human intelligence and basic human empathy.

It's both a statement that he and his followers exist in a parallel universe impervious to reason, and a boast that this parallel universe is impervious to challenge, that it is all powerful. It is designed to create the impression of the invincibility of the rejection of reason. It is designed to make his opposition desperate and lose hope.

This is the framework through which fascism works and everything Trump does works through this framework. It's also the framework through which the Mafia works.

pixelburp

Roanmore wrote: »

Has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever do these people not realise the importance of the moon to the Earth?

Considering a small but powerful demographic in America and the GOP especially thinks the earth is 7000 years old, the answer would be no. Knowledge, especially scientific, is not these people's strong suit. They are inherently an ignorant cadre, except when it comes to exploitation.

AMKC

I think Obama should be allowed back in for 4 years after the dictator that is Trump is gone as Obama could then fix all his polices that dictator clown Trump has undone in his time and get America back on the right road again. Then whoever is elected in November of this year could take over and we can all forget about the Trump dictator.
A s for going to mine asteroids and the moon now is not the time for that sort of thing. America now have 1 million or a third of the worlds cases of Covid-19.

eire4

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Wait til the November election. If he loses, you ain't seen nothing yet. Gonna be a crazy time.

Agreed. If anybody thinks he would accept a defeat and just walk off into the sunset they have not been paying attention. I would also add that if he is clearly losing in the polls as November gets closer get ready for some really crazy things to happen in the last days leading up to the election as there is nothing no matter how low or even criminal that he is not willing to do in that scenario IMHO.

kowloon

banie01 wrote: »

It's quite coincidental that I was today reading and referencing Juan Linz.
His essay The Perils of Presidentialism is perhaps the seminal work on the dangers of executive power vested in unsuitable and indeed inexperienced officers.

What was that for? PM if not in thread. No homo.

pixelburp

There's also the question of his adjacent mouthpieces. If Fox News commits to sticking by its man and his points of view, then you'd imagine Hannity, Carlson et al will also plead conspiracy or dirty tricks til they're blue in the face. This election has the potential of being the ugliest in American election history. Maybe even the most dangerous.

PropJoe10

eire4 wrote: »

Agreed. If anybody thinks he would accept a defeat and just walk off into the sunset they have not been paying attention. I would also add that if he is clearly losing in the polls as November gets closer get ready for some really crazy things to happen in the last days leading up to the election as there is nothing no matter how low or even criminal that he is not willing to do in that scenario IMHO.

Yep. As an ex-President I can't see him going to jail but there's obviously quite a lot of stuff that a different Attorney General might look at differently to the current one. I think that's going to be a serious factor in this election cycle due to the fact that he'll be terrified of leaving office and being exposed to possible criminal proceedings.

kowloon

Roanmore wrote: »

Has to be one of the dumbest ideas ever do these people not realise the importance of the moon to the Earth?

H.G. Wells did.

banie01

kowloon wrote: »

What was that for? PM if not in thread. No homo.

The joys of being a mature student and leaving my essays in until week 13

Itssoeasy

pixelburp wrote: »

There's also the question of his adjacent mouthpieces. If Fox News commits to sticking by its man and his points of view, then you'd imagine Hannity, Carlson et al will also plead conspiracy or dirty tricks til they're blue in the face. This election has the potential of being the ugliest in American election history. Maybe even the most dangerous.

I think Fox News may not push his "cures" for this virus because if the reporting is true, the legal dept of fox is scared ****less of what a viewer might take because of something they say, which would lead possibly to fox being sued for any injury or death.

And btw the trump administration are at least setting up an office to ensure a smooth transition to January next year should Donald trump lose the election in November. This is required by law but given Donald trump and his views on laws he might stop it.

kowloon

banie01 wrote: »

The joys of being a mature student and leaving my essays in until week 13

A moments silence for the students who don't get their work done. Excuses are thin on the ground when we're all staying at home.

Spanish Eyes

Back to the unlikely event that Trump will lose to Biden. I think it's unlikely right now, but who knows?

Well, let's say he does win, and is in situ for Four More Years, what then?

That's the more likely scenario to me. Times are different right now, this virus has floored his megolomania for a little while,but I am intrigued as to how he gets away with his utterances. Then again why should I be surprised?

How's he doing in the polls anyway, too fekkin lazy to look it up.

Blueshoe

Tyson foods ( the world's second largest producer of pork, chicken And beef) have come out and said that because of worker infection the food supply chain is starting to break down.
President Trump is to sign an executive order under the defence production act to keep them open. They have been designated as "critical services"

As the saying goes we are only 9 meals away from food riots.

Itssoeasy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Back to the unlikely event that Trump will lose to Biden. I think it's unlikely right now, but who knows?

Well, let's say he does win, and is in situ for Four More Years, what then?

That's the more likely scenario to me. Times are different right now, this virus has floored his megolomania for a little while,but I am intrigued as to how he gets away with his utterances. Then again why should I be surprised?

How's he doing in the polls anyway, too fekkin lazy to look it up.

He's behind to joe Biden in key battleground states in Fox News polls of all places. His performance at the daily briefings are not helping and RNC internal polling is showing he's hurting them keeping the senate.

Spanish Eyes

Itssoeasy wrote: »

He's behind to joe Biden in key battleground states in Fox News polls of all places. His performance at the daily briefings are not helping and RNC internal polling is showing he's hurting them keeping the senate.

Thanks,

I know he stamped his foot and refused to engage in Press Briefings a couple of days ago, is that still the case?

I would have thought that since rallies cannot (or should not) happen for a long while now, the briefings were to be his faux rallies.

Sorry for asking all the questions, but am sure others have a better handle on this than I do.

Water John

Milestone of Covid 19 deaths surpassing the losses in the Vietnam war. Same generation suffered all the losses.

Itssoeasy

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Thanks,

I know he stamped his foot and refused to engage in Press Briefings a couple of days ago, is that still the case?

I would have thought that since rallies cannot (or should not) happen for a long while now, the briefings were to be his faux rallies.

Sorry for asking all the questions, but am sure others have a better handle on this than I do.

I think the briefings stopped for the weekend just gone because after injectgate and the ridiculous attempts to suggest hes was 1) taken out of context 2) not taking to someone who he spoke to directly(Dr Birk), and 3) was being sarcastic which given there is both video to disprove all three and the official White House summary of these things may have forced his aides may have finally gotten him to stop digging.

He might have started again this week but I haven't been paying attention if he has.

Itssoeasy

Water John wrote: »

Milestone of Covid 19 deaths surpassing the losses in the Vietnam war. Same generation suffered all the losses.

That is a fairly sobering way for these US deaths to be compared to. And no Donald trump did not create the virus but as president he gets credit when things go right and he get the blame when things go badly and whether he wants to except it he's at fault for the federal governments repsonse. He also downplayed the virus for weeks, and if Israeli media is to be believed he was told about it months before it was even heard of.

valoren

A good analogy I read for voters come November trying to decide between Biden and Trump is that imagine you're on a plane and the steward asks what you would like for dinner. You can have a steaming plate of manure infused with shards of glass or you can have the Chicken. Anyone, beyond Trumps avid base, given the choice shouldn't be asking how the Chicken was cooked.

fryup

Water John wrote: »

Milestone of Covid 19 deaths surpassing the losses in the Vietnam war. Same generation suffered all the losses.

you mean the elderly of today are the generation of the vietnam war?

Cork Boy 53

fryup wrote: »

you mean the elderly of today are the generation of the vietnam war?

Yes. To quote the lyrics of the Paul Hardcastle song the average age of the American soldier dying as a result of the Vietnam war was 19. So if a survivor of the war was 19 in 1970 that same person would now be 69 which is within the high risk age category for the virus.

Itssoeasy

fryup wrote: »

you mean the elderly of today are the generation of the vietnam war?

Well given that the Vietnam war ended April 30th, 1975(fall of Saigon) which is 45 years ago on Thursday btw(useless info klaxon) then 45 + 20/25 would mean that people in their late sixties today would have been of the generation to both fight in and protest that war. But I can't speak for the poster you quoted. That's just my opinion above.

kowloon

Mattis mentions Trump's previous Vietnam involvement about a minute into this video, although his opinion of him is shown from the start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sG7N7pJ6g

Manic Moran

aloyisious wrote: »

It's live. He's going to issue an executive order to keep the meat processing plants open, using the Defence Act to order them to keep processing meat. If there is no place open to sell meat to the public because of the lockdown, the next logical [pardon me for that] is for him to issue an executive order over-ruling any state governor who is continuing with closure.

I am unaware of any State which has locked down grocery stores to the point that people cannot get food. The bottom line is that most people don't have more than a week's worth in their fridge. Two if they stretch it. We had a shortage for about three weeks on eggs, two weeks on milk, and at least a week on meats, and that was just panic buying, the meatpacking facilities, dairies and egg farms hadn't closed down yet.

Might be an interesting exercise, mind. Maybe those folks in the cities might actually realise that those flyover States are more critical than they like to give them credit.

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

I am unaware of any State which has locked down grocery stores to the point that people cannot get food. The bottom line is that most people don't have more than a week's worth in their fridge. Two if they stretch it. We had a shortage for about three weeks on eggs, two weeks on milk, and at least a week on meats, and that was just panic buying, the meatpacking facilities, dairies and egg farms hadn't closed down yet.

Might be an interesting exercise, mind. Maybe those folks in the cities might actually realise that those flyover States are more critical than they like to give them credit.

One reason given as a premise for the order is that the actual producers, the farmers, didn't have a buyer for their produce because the meat processing plants staff were being infected with Covid-19 resulting in the processing plants being unable to process the meats and pork. I assume the risk could also be to chicken processing plants.

There are a couple of sources for info on the closure/s using "u.s meat processing plants closed due to covid-19 infected staff" as a question via the net.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/16/meat-processing-plants-are-closing-due-covid-19-outbreaks-beef-shortfalls-may-follow/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8213685/One-Americas-largest-pork-processing-plants-major-meat-factory-close.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8265001/Stores-meat-shortages-end-WEEK-13-plant-staff-die-COVID-19.html

I'd also estimate that if there were not enough cold storage facilities for the slaughtered pre-processed cattle and meat, there would be an unfortunate need to destroy said meat by burial, fire or cremation unless it could be safely donated free to the needy. The farmers once again would need to be compensated for their work by the Admin, something others here have referred to as socialism.

I agree with you on the respect for the supplier seeing as I live in what could be described as a semi-rural county [the garden of Ireland] and a sister growing her own & getting her eggs from her own chickens but back to the present now and Don's election chances being affected by the here and now, and by what is probably waiting for him around the next bend in the road.

Please note that [in my Irish persons opinion] the Daily Mail can't be seen as the best provider of unadulterated news.