Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

hetuzozaho

kowloon wrote: »

The countryside populated largely by farmers - as opposed to small towns and villages dotted around the place - see the necessity of subsidies.
The UK will be the place to watch. A pace that can't feed itself, and hasn't been able to in over a century, voting to leave the economic block that subsidised their farmers. And with a largely urban population that literally doesn't know how the sausage is made.

Polling with English farmers was majority leave though wasn't it?

serfboard

briany wrote: »

I'd say Trump believes he served his country by building casinos and hotels.

There's no "I'd say" about it:

Donald Trump wrote:

I think I've made a lot of sacrifices. I work very, very hard. I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've done, I've had tremendous success. I think I've done a lot. ... I think they're sacrifices.

Manic Moran

Roanmore wrote: »

Since then there have been 2 Republican Presidents who both got out of going to Vietnam and now it's not a problem at all.

I've never understood the logic of that one. The theory is that Guard units didn't go to Vietnam, and that was true for much of the war. Not, however, for the beginning of the war. At the time Bush signed the dotted line, Air National Guard squadrons from Colorado, Arkansas, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada, New York and Kentucky had all rotated through or were in country. The specific aircraft type in Bush's squadron (The F-102) was in Vietnam until 1970, and pilots of Bush's squadron were flying on an augmentee basis (i.e. invidivuals, not the unit).

Army Guard units from California, Utah, Indiana, Kentucky, Hawaii, Kansas and New Hampshire were also all found in that neck of the woods in the period 68-69.

Finally, most draftees did not go to Vietnam anyway. Most went to Germany, then Korea. The big threat was Russia, and if that turned hot, Vietnam would be a much better chance of survival.

Basically, if you wanted to avoid Vietnam service, volunteering for an organisation which at the time was in Vietnam is a pretty silly way to do it. If you wanted to avoid war in general and stay at home, joining an organisation expected to go up against the Soviets or ChiComs is also a pretty silly way to do it.

VinLieger

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Polling with English farmers was majority leave though wasn't it?

Indeed, just more turkeys voting for christmas

kowloon

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Polling with English farmers was majority leave though wasn't it?

That wouldn't shock me in the slightest. Maybe they expect the state to cover any subsidies or expect a better market for their produce versus imports. But chances are, as with the majority of leave voters, it was about #Takingbackcontrol

Christy42

kowloon wrote: »

I think the issue is hypocrisy. If you're taking a stand against the war fair enough, but if you dodged the draft because you think that it's someone else's problem you would be wise to keep your mouth shut. Trump didn't do that and has bitched about Vietnam vets, McCain in particular for the crime of spending time as a POW. And through it all, he tries to make out he's some sort of natural-born military genius who knows better than the professionals. Like with most other Trump scandals, things would just be better and he'd seem like less of a see you next Tuesday if he just kept his gob shut. But that's too much to ask of him.



The countryside populated largely by farmers - as opposed to small towns and villages dotted around the place - see the necessity of subsidies.
The UK will be the place to watch. A pace that can't feed itself, and hasn't been able to in over a century, voting to leave the economic block that subsidised their farmers. And with a largely urban population that literally doesn't know how the sausage is made.

In that case it seems to be just as much a case of the farmers not knowing who signs their cheques. Some northern cities voted leave but London, the biggest city, had a remain majority.

hetuzozaho

kowloon wrote: »

That wouldn't shock me in the slightest. Maybe they expect the state to cover any subsidies or expect a better market for their produce versus imports. But chances are, as with the majority of leave voters, it was about #Takingbackcontrol

Maybe they don't know how the sausages are made either

aloyisious

Belle Plaine, Kansas. MSN and PA have a report on a decision by the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals panel in Salt Lake City to uphold an earlier judge's injunction granted nearly two years ago against a 2013 law signed by former Kansas Gov Sam Brownback which required people there to show proof of citizenship when registering to vote is worth noting. The judgement, encompassing two earlier judgements, said the law violates the U.S. Constitution's Equal Protection Clause and the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as the “motor-voter law.” It's worth noting that, while this is a precedent, it may be totally linked to Kansas alone and not usable by opponents to state and local voter registration laws in other states. The MSN/PA report included the comment that the Kansas law was one which found favour with republicans in several other states.

Initial Court [2 years ago] ruling link: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-kansas-voterid-idUSKBN1JF09K

Today's court ruling link: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/29/court-rules-kansas-cant-demand-citizenship-proof-n/

aloyisious

Looking at the reported Covid-19 tests stats provided by Don Trump at his Media briefings [1 million tests] referring to the number of affected people and the number of Covid-19 tests [6 million] mentioned on CNN, it would seem that one in six of the people tested, tested positive for Covid-19. Thats with the present level of reported testings. Don provided the 1 million figure in response to CNN's reporter at yesterdays briefing when he was asked about how he got from 0 [zero] to 1 Million when referring to people affected. Don did try to turn the question on its head by answering that the figure would go from 1 million to 0 [zero].

CNN is reporting that the FDA is expected to issue an emergency order permitting the use of Remdesivir as a way of treating the virus. I wish the admin would change it's reported title for its plan to accelerate the testing and production of new anti-virus drugs, if it is indeed named "Operation Warp-Speed Drive".

hetuzozaho

Trump still "misspeaking" about America's testing I see.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-supporting-nations-small-businesses-paycheck-protection-program/

Q Thank you, Mr. President. Some health experts say the U.S. needs 5 million tests per day by June in order to safely reopen. You unveiled a plan yesterday that will increase testing, but not by that much. Why not? And can you get to that benchmark?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, it will increase it and it’ll increase it by much more than that in the very near future. We’re way ahead of everyone on testing....We are way ahead on testing. We are the best in the world on testing. We’ve tested much more than anybody else, times two — or every country combined.

He even doubled down:

Q Did I hear you saying you’re confident you can surpass 5 million tests per day? Is that —

THE PRESIDENT: Oh, well, we’re going to be there very soon. If you look at the numbers, it could be that we’re getting very close. I mean, I don’t have the exact numbers. We would’ve had them if you asked me the same question a little while ago because people with the statistics were there.

What a joker. An absolute joke it is. Come on America, you can do better than this guy!

US Total tests to date 6,093,208

Sonics2k

You can tell the world has gone absolutely mental when we find ourselves agreeing with Piers Morgan.

Piers -was- one of the few people Donald Trump actually followed on Twitter, and was even considered a friend. However, Piers very recently, and very publicly has been getting sick of Donalds words and actions over the last few months and the whole bleach thing.

https://www.buzz.ie/news/trump-unfollows-piers-morgan-criticism-disinfectant-claims-365872

Out of pettiness, Donald has now unfollowed his "friend" and Piers is not backing down.

TomOnBoard

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Trump still "misspeaking" about America's testing I see.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-supporting-nations-small-businesses-paycheck-protection-program/



He even doubled down:



What a joker. An absolute joke it is. Come on America, you can do better than this guy!

US Total tests to date 6,093,208

He's trotting out figures that are meaningless unless seen in the context of the country's population. He is touting the 6 million figure for tests as the 'greatest testing in the world' without contextualising it in terms of the US population of some 330 million. Equally, the 60,000 figure for deaths, while massive in absolute terms (and horrendous in the context of his pronouncements in February of a minimal impact), should also be seen in the context of its population.

Worldometer is reporting that, in the USA, deaths per million are 185 and tests per million are 18,420. So just focusing on testing at a per. country level, AS TRUMP IS doing daily, the USA ranks 42nd in the Worldmeter list, well behind Ireland for example at 31,179 per million.

So, is it any wonder that States are still saying that there are not enough tests? The Trump/Birx message is that the Feds have made massive testing possible, and it is now up to the States to do them. But, for example, they don't have enough reagents for the identified physical capacity that exists in each State across all care/testing settings. The identified need in Maryland led that State to buy in half a million tests from South Korea.

The Harvard research earlier says that, for the US economy to fully open, 5 million tests per day would be needed by June. When Trump was asked about this, he said that they'd have more than that shortly. Total and absolute BS! Characterized by even his own HHS as an impossibility. Harvard further said that figure would need to rise to 20 million per day by July which is crazy..

Instead of challenging the Harvard findings in relation to the 5 million, he simply lied and then doubled down on it and now says that he never said it! HE DID SAY IT! It's on tape!!!

It is this flagrant lying about the gravity of the situation and the attack on anyone who questions him, taken together with the gravity of the (now) 61,180 deaths that leaves anybody with an iota of sense seeing plainly that he is a lying moron who is playing politics while his country is burning around his ears.

And Mc Connell and the rest of the pathetic shower of sheep in the Republican Senate are so scared of him, that they are assisting in the promulgation of the carnage. When the 'After Action' analysis is done, they will ALL be seen as having been wilfully negligent by not intervening for the good of the country. They may not own the origin of Covid-19, but they will sure as hell own the response!

BonnieSituation

Seems Donald is starting the pistol on upping the ante on China to distract from his horror show handling of the pandemic:

Reuters/Guardian wrote:

Trump says China wants him to lose 2020 election
US president Donald Trump, in an Oval Office interview with Reuters, has said he is looking into different options for the consequences China might face for its handling of the coronavirus pandemic. “I can do a lot,” he said.

Trump said that coronavirus has “upset very badly” the US trade deal with China, and that China “will do anything they can to have me lose in 2020.”

Trump does not see the 2020 election as being a referendum on his handling of the pandemic, he said.

Coronavirus live news: Trump says China wants him to lose election as UK deaths top Spain and France

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/30/coronavirus-live-news-more-cases-of-covid-linked-syndrome-in-children-as-uk-deaths-top-spain-and-france?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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Nice to see his new set up for losing in November too.

Stallingrad

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Coronavirus live news: Trump says China wants him to lose election as UK deaths top Spain and France

China is the new bogeyman, they started Coronavirus and want him to lose the election. Therefor the best way to get back at China is vote Trump back in. It's all typically "all about me", pathetic and transparent.

PropJoe10

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Seems Donald is starting the pistol on upping the ante on China to distract from his horror show handling of the pandemic:



Coronavirus live news: Trump says China wants him to lose election as UK deaths top Spain and France

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/apr/30/coronavirus-live-news-more-cases-of-covid-linked-syndrome-in-children-as-uk-deaths-top-spain-and-france?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

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Nice to see his new set up for losing in November too.

Just a remarkable level of narcissism. You'd think that he'd be better off focusing on how to stop Americans from dying than talk about his re-election but no, not Donald.

aloyisious

He knows he has a certain level of committed supporters who will vote for him anyway so the question is; is he dropping Joe Biden as target No 1 for re-election and using China in lieu: "look, China the powerful nation-state who know I am the threat to its world plans as it is targeting me, trying to stop my re-election as it knows I will stop its cheating the U.S in trade deals" or will he try to link it to Joe's past political history and smear him with an accusation of being PRC-friendly as part of a new two-step re-election ploy?

If he links the virus to an alleged attempt by the PRC to stop his re-election, will a jaded U.S electorate deny it and reduce his imagined "favoured son" poll results even further?

Penn

aloyisious wrote: »

He knows he has a certain level of committed supporters who will vote for him anyway so the question is; is he dropping Joe Biden as target No 1 for re-election and using China in lieu: "look, China the powerful nation-state who know I am the threat to its world plans as it is targeting me, trying to stop my re-election as it knows I will stop its cheating the U.S in trade deals" or will he try to link it to Joe's past political history and accuse him of being PRC-friendly as part of a new two-step re-election ploy?

If he links the virus to an alleged attempt by the PRC to stop his re-election, will a jaded U.S electorate deny it and reduce his imagined "favoured son" poll results even further?

I don't think it's necessarily about Biden at all, just the impact the virus is having on his own standing. Biden has already released an attack ad of Trump praising China in the initial months of the virus.

Trump simply needs a scapegoat for how the deaths are going to continue to rise under his watch, especially as they start really pushing to re-open things. Therefore, it's China's fault for starting the virus and letting it get out of control, and there's nothing better anyone could have done as President other than Trump, so none of it is his fault.

I don't think he can really mention Biden in relation to this at all, except just to say Biden couldn't have done better than him, but that's an imaginary statement.

Quin_Dub

Almost 4 years in Office and he actually has nothing to campaign on.

He has no legislative achievements , no economy , no nothing.

All he has left is to vilify his opponent or to build up some nefarious boogeyman that somehow only he is equipped to deal with.

So his entire Campaign will be "China are coming to get you and only I can stop them" and "Joe Biden is a near-dead sex offender"

That's what he has to offer after 4 years of the Presidency.

aloyisious

There was a ball-hop on the go late yesterday that Don had an anger outburst on his re-election campaign manager for the low poll results he was getting as a result of his handling of the Covid-19 media presentations but there seems to be little mention of said rumour in the online media today.

pixelburp

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Almost 4 years in Office and he actually has nothing to campaign on.

He has no legislative achievements , no economy , no nothing.

All he has left is to vilify his opponent or to build up some nefarious boogeyman that somehow only he is equipped to deal with.

So his entire Campaign will be "China are coming to get you and only I can stop them" and "Joe Biden is a near-dead sex offender"

That's what he has to offer after 4 years of the Presidency.

Panic mode with the campaign I'd reckon: rightly or wrongly one would guess the talking points (such as they are with Trump) circled around the relatively strong economy. Covid has almost guaranteed to obliterate any economic gains, with America staring down the barrel of a recession at best, depression at worst. As you say, Trump now has nothing to boast about. Worse, he might be seen as fiddling while Rome burns, incapable of rescuing people or the economy. The hardline GOP talking points of "reopen the economy" strike a desperate, almost histrionic tone not usually seen.

Trump has flubbed nearly every major pillar of his 2016 campaign, and how much traction "Blame China" is going to have will be fascinating. By any normal metric, digging ones heels in and blaming an entire country should be a disaster waiting to happen. Obviously the usual caveats with Trump apply.

duploelabs

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Almost 4 years in Office and he actually has nothing to campaign on.

He has no legislative achievements , no economy , no nothing.

All he has left is to vilify his opponent or to build up some nefarious boogeyman that somehow only he is equipped to deal with.

So his entire Campaign will be "China are coming to get you and only I can stop them" and "Joe Biden is a near-dead sex offender"

That's what he has to offer after 4 years of the Presidency.

Won't stop him saying otherwise, but then again facts don't matter nowadays do they?

Tchaikovsky

pixelburp wrote: »

Worse, he might be seen as fiddling while Rome burns

Especially as he retweeted an image that alluded to him doing just that.

EltonJohn69

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Almost 4 years in Office and he actually has nothing to campaign on.

He has no legislative achievements , no economy , no nothing.

All he has left is to vilify his opponent or to build up some nefarious boogeyman that somehow only he is equipped to deal with.

So his entire Campaign will be "China are coming to get you and only I can stop them" and "Joe Biden is a near-dead sex offender"

That's what he has to offer after 4 years of the Presidency.

That is some way to describe Biden !!!

EltonJohn69

aloyisious wrote: »

There was a ball-hop on the go late yesterday that Don had an anger outburst on his re-election campaign manager for the low poll results he was getting as a result of his handling of the Covid-19 media presentations but there seems to be little mention of said rumour in the online media today.

CNN has a video on YouTube

sydthebeat

Cuomos odds are shortening for some reason. Gone from 50s to 33s since the weekend

Penn

sydthebeat wrote: »

Cuomos odds are shortening for some reason. Gone from 50s to 33s since the weekend

I think he's already said he wouldn't run, and Biden has already pledged to have a female VP, so don't know why. Cuomo's doing as good a job as anyone could in his role, but if he abandoned it to further his own career he'd be hammered for it, and rightfully so in my opinion. Now isn't the time for him to throw himself into the running for either President or VP.

Zubeneschamali

aloyisious wrote: »

There was a ball-hop on the go late yesterday that Don had an anger outburst on his re-election campaign manager for the low poll results he was getting as a result of his handling of the Covid-19 media presentations but there seems to be little mention of said rumour in the online media today.

Story went that he had a melt down on the phone at Parscale his campaign manager and threatened to sue him.

Parscale showed up in person bringing more favourable polling data and they made up

This is how Romney ended up in a bubble in 2012, confident that he was winning. Hopefully Trump does too, limits how much ime he has to damage America and the world when he realizes the voters have betrayed him.

duploelabs

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

CNN has a video on YouTube

Zubeneschamali

Penn wrote: »

Cuomo's doing as good a job as anyone could in his role.

If you think being Governor of the state with the worst covid19 outbreak on the planet is doing a good job, I'd hate to see a bad one.

Penn

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If you think being Governor of the state with the worst covid19 outbreak on the planet is doing a good job, I'd hate to see a bad one.

I think in terms of how they're dealing with it, the measures they've introduced etc. Considering how tightly-packed everyone is in the city, it's clear it would have spread like wildfire there. But when you compare that to most of the other states where it's incredibly likely numbers there are going to continue to rise and spread... By the time the dust starts to settle I think the numbers are going to tell a different story.