Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

pixelburp

Cuomo running a campaign during a pandemic would amount to abandoning his post during a crisis. As seductive a narrative as him sweeping into the nomination might be, the timing would be terrible. Besides, IIRC he wasn't that popular before Covid19 kicked off anyway. But don't have the stats or sources on that mind you.

Leroy42

pixelburp wrote: »

Cuomo running a campaign during a pandemic would amount to abandoning his post during a crisis. As seductive a narrative as him sweeping into the nomination might be, the timing would be terrible. Besides, IIRC he wasn't that popular before Covid19 kicked off anyway. But don't have the stats or sources on that mind you.

Depends, if these Tara Reid stories continue and Biden is forced to withdraw it would make sense to bring in someone with national recognition.

Of course it could be seen as abandoning his post, but the other way is to view it as taking his experience from the worst outbreak and use that to correct the terrible handling of the Trump admin to save the country.

amandstu

Leroy42 wrote: »

Depends, if these Tara Reid stories continue and Biden is forced to withdraw it would make sense to bring in someone with national recognition.

Of course it could be seen as abandoning his post, but the other way is to view it as taking his experience from the worst outbreak and use that to correct the terrible handling of the Trump admin to save the country.

It would be very bad news if Biden had to withdraw but Cuomo ,if he was prevailed upon to replace him would be a very good choice.

He is clearly intelligent and can mix understatement with frankness as well as having a very good sense of humour.

The Dems are lucky to have someone like that in the wings.

I am not sure though where his Achilles heel lies ..there must be one or two.

As a candidate I would put him on a level with Clinton and Reagan. and probably above Trump(would also put Biden not far behind Trump in those terms)

looksee

He hasn't mentioned Obama (or indeed Hillary or his inauguration numbers) recently, as far as I can see, is he off the hook for being responsible for everything? Or is Trump's memory unable to accommodate both the old memes and the new ones?

Penn

I think if Biden had to drop out for whatever reason and the Dems went with Cuomo, Trump would be elected no problem.

It would have to be Sanders for the Dems to stand a chance, because going straight to Cuomo would be a complete betrayal of those who voted for Sanders. We saw in 2016 how many saw the Dems push out Sanders in favour of Hilary. Same happens again, Trump wins no problem imo.

At best, Sanders with Cuomo as VP (again, if Biden dropped out), but I think Cuomo running for higher office at this point hurts him more than it helps. Staying where he is now gives him a solid shot in the future. But if the Dems tried and leapfrog him over Sanders, that's game over.

amandstu

Penn wrote: »

I think if Biden had to drop out for whatever reason and the Dems went with Cuomo, Trump would be elected no problem.

It would have to be Sanders for the Dems to stand a chance, because going straight to Cuomo would be a complete betrayal of those who voted for Sanders. We saw in 2016 how many saw the Dems push out Sanders in favour of Hilary. Same happens again, Trump wins no problem imo.

At best, Sanders with Cuomo as VP (again, if Biden dropped out), but I think Cuomo running for higher office at this point hurts him more than it helps. Staying where he is now gives him a solid shot in the future. But if the Dems tried and leapfrog him over Sanders, that's game over.

Yes ,good points. But Sanders' supporters weren't so reliable vis a vis Clinton So it's a low bar

And left vs right may be all changed in this new environment.

Leroy42

I don't thinkk so. Most Democrats learned their lesson last time. Whilst they might want Sanders, pretty much anyone is better (from their POV) than Trump. In a two horse race, not running a horse means by default the other horse wins.

They need to understand they they, Bernie supporters, were partly to blame for Trump winning.

The Democrats need to look at winning with whatever they have rather than losing with their perfect ideal.

Quin_Dub

sydthebeat wrote: »

Cuomos odds are shortening for some reason. Gone from 50s to 33s since the weekend

The only people talking up Cuomo (or any other supposed better alternative to Biden) are GOP operatives trying to sow dissension in Democrat ranks.

With Sanders out of the running and having declared his support for Biden , the old "The Dems stole the nomination from Bernie" story line doesn't work, so they are now working hard to position Cuomo as some kind of stalking horse in an attempt to weaken Biden..

I mean look at the 6-9 months before the 2016 Election

• The DNC stole the nomination from Bernie
• Hillary is dying , too sick to be President.
• Hilary has taken bribes from other Governments (Saudi/Russia)
• Hilary has a hidden history of Sex Abuse/Scandal

Now , replace "Hilary" with "Biden" and the stories being built up are almost identical.

• The DNC shafted Bernie but now regret it so trying to replace Biden with Cuomo
• Biden has Dementia ,too sick to be President
• Biden(& Family) has taken bribes from other Governments (China/Ukraine)
• Biden is a "Creepy" Sex offender

They haven't even tried to get some new plays..

serfboard

Leroy42 wrote: »

They need to understand they they, Bernie supporters, were partly to blame for Trump winning.

To cover her failure to win the Presidency, Hillary Clinton lashed around a lot of blame on everyone - James Comey, the Russians, the media, almost anyone but herself and her own campaign.

I don't recall her blaming Sanders supporters much, though.

Tchaikovsky

Leroy42 wrote: »

They need to understand they they, Bernie supporters, were partly to blame for Trump winning.

Not the terrible candidate that they nominated?

swampgas

I don't know if this article has been posted already:
https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/22/joining-up-the-dots-shows-the-true-depths-of-trump-s-dangerous-narcissistic-pathology-view

It's by Ian Hughes, who wrote the book "Disordered minds" about some of the worst tyrants and dictators in history.

My take on it: not only is Trump a textbook example of a malignant narcissist, he has surrounded himself with people drawn from the 1% of the population who have similar psychopathic/narcissistic/paranoid traits.

It seems trite to say "Trump is like Hitler and Stalin", but he shares many of their psychological traits.

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Leroy42

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Not the terrible candidate that they nominated?

Well, that is you opinion. It is not the opinion of the majority of the voters in the US though.

Many in the GOP were totally against Trump, many said he was terrible, did not represent their values etc. But they put that behind them because he was the only option they had to get anything close to their agenda through.

Ideals are all well and good, but I would bet that there are very few Sanders supporters that think that HC as POTUS would be as bad as Trump.

Quin_Dub

Leroy42 wrote: »

Well, that is you opinion. It is not the opinion of the majority of the voters in the US though.

Many in the GOP were totally against Trump, many said he was terrible, did not represent their values etc. But they put that behind them because he was the only option they had to get anything close to their agenda through.

Ideals are all well and good, but I would bet that there are very few Sanders supporters that think that HC as POTUS would be as bad as Trump.

This was definitely an issue in 2016.

GOP Voters are far better at ignoring the candidate and voting for the party.

Traditionally Dem voters have been far more sensitive to "who" they are voting for rather than "what" so if the candidate didn't tick every box for them they might not vote.

However , this time around there seems to be a far greater awareness among Democrat voter of the need to vote for the Candidate even if they aren't a perfect match for them.

The whole "Vote Blue no Matter who" drive from the mid-terms.

It remains to be seen if it actually comes to pass in November though.

PyreOfHellfire

Leroy42 wrote: »

Well, that is you opinion. It is not the opinion of the majority of the voters in the US though.

Doesn't matter what the majority in the USA thinks. It's a Federal Republic with an electoral college. The majority has never mattered in electing presidents.

Many in the GOP were totally against Trump, many said he was terrible, did not represent their values etc. But they put that behind them because he was the only option they had to get anything close to their agenda through.

They were playing politics. They didn't care who was the GOP candidate as long as the tax breaks were part of the platform. The only reason they said he was terrible was because they knew they would be beholden to him if he won the election. They were never totally against Trump, they just wanted to be seen clutching their pearls in case he had lost so they could have the excuse to hammer into the tea party wing of their own party after the fact.

Ideals are all well and good, but I would bet that there are very few Sanders supporters that think that HC as POTUS would be as bad as Trump.

Then they aren't really Sanders supporters. Sanders backed Clinton. It's not the job of Sanders to turn out voters for the candidate it's the job of the candidate to do so.

Rjd2

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

If you think being Governor of the state with the worst covid19 outbreak on the planet is doing a good job, I'd hate to see a bad one.

He is running a really good PR campaign though which is more important than expertise.

If the Dems wanted to pick someone who is handling the Virus well, why not go with Newsom or Inslee?

StringerBell

Christ, as I will say again, I am no fan of Andrew Cuomo but how he has dealt with this has been about as good as you can get. Newsom for example doesn't have the population density to deal with that new York has not to mention other factors and how he has dealt with the media and Trump (Cuomo)

aloyisious

From the portrayal Cuomo's displayed on TV, he's solely interested in the safety of New Yorkers and not with a row with Don. He's made it plain that he did not and does not want to butt heads with Don, that all he wants is the medical equipment to save his state's citizens lives, and those of the regional states around New York as well. Naturally he's making it a high profile issue, the same as other state governors from around the U.S are regardless of party affiliation. They know their citizens are the ones who have the votes they'll want in Nov, Don sure as hell doesn't.

I'm surmising, from the way the virus issue was handled initially within the admin, it was seen as a blip on the political horizon and not a threat to either the U.S or Don. The medics were trying to get Dons attention with an Admin political wall standing between them. By the time Don became aware of the danger the virus meant to him, when he realised his political buddies had called it wrong, it was too late trying to close the doors, the virus was on the loose in the U.S in March. Don still isn't prepared to accept that something he cant see may be the death of him politically and physically if it gets inside his body, despite his and Mikes "we're tested" quotes while they are presently posturing without masks. Actually, that daily test quote from Mike may be an indicator how worried he now is about the virus being a danger to him much as it is to Joe or May down the street.

Penn

aloyisious wrote: »

Don still isn't prepared to accept that something he cant see may be the death of him politically and physically if it gets inside his body, despite his and Mikes "we're tested" quotes while they are presently posturing without masks. Actually, that daily test quote from Mike may be an indicator how worried he now is about the virus being a danger to him much as it is to Joe or May down the street.

Pence was absolutely ridiculous going there without a mask. Firstly, it's a bad signal to be sending out particularly to those who aren't taking it seriously. Secondly, being tested for it every day doesn't give you immunity from it for 24 hours. He could still have gotten it from the people there.

It's clear they felt it'd be a bad photo-op if Pence was wearing a mask, but still wanted him to have a photo-op meeting patients, so they ended up going with a weird hybrid of meeting patients but with no mask on which is surely even worse than the two alternatives.

The constant stupidity of the entire administration knows no bounds. It's like no matter what they try and do, they always get something wrong.

Water John

Pence was more afraid of Trump's reaction to him wearing a mask, than any public displeasure.

aloyisious

Gavin Newsom has issued an order closing California's beaches following on from the mass crowding of Orange County beaches. Huntington beach, where the anti-closure protests were held last week, is an Orange County beach so I imagine the protestors will be back there again. Newsom is a Democrat party Governor. Don will probably issue a statement about the new closure order, criticizing it.

hetuzozaho

Again just there now, he says he's had a look at the numbers and the US have done over 6 million tests.. correct.. and still goes on to say more than all combined. Good god. That's a couple of weeks of that lie/stupidity now.

Looks like he's on Biden's side on the 'ol sexual assault allegation

pixelburp

Water John wrote: »

Pence was more afraid of Trump's reaction to him wearing a mask, than any public displeasure.

Watching the footage of Pence standing there, in his suit but sans facemask and surrounded by medical staff fully protected, it rested somewhere between a farce and disgrace. Truly a coward too if he couldn't stand up to Trump or whoever told him not to wear jt. Not to mention an insult to all those doing their best in those hospitals. The cynic in me would speculate someone like Pence offered to pray for those he visited.

Manic Moran

aloyisious wrote: »

Gavin Newsom has issued an order closing California's beaches following on from the mass crowding of Orange County beaches. Huntington beach, where the anti-closure protests were held last week, is an Orange County beach so I imagine the protestors will be back there again. Newsom is a Democrat party Governor. Don will probably issue a statement about the new closure order, criticizing it.

No, he has only ordered Orange County beaches to be closed. One can still go to the beach in nearby San Diego county, for example. https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/30/newsom-beaches-to-close-but-only-in-orange-county/

There is starting to be a bit of pushback even in some liberal areas about the complete lack of 'common sense filter' being applied. For example, drive-in movie theaters. you'd think it's safe enough, you never as much as get out of your car are being told to shut down such as in Vegas. (A drive-in church, would you believe there is such a thing, also was shut down in FL or LA)

A family at a playground which is utterly empty of any other people leads to a police citation (Ohio). The articles about the folks at the California beach which I've read (unlike the Spring Break idiots last month) generally observed that though the folks were at the beaches, families were still maintaining physical distance from each other. It is not permitted to take your jetski out on the lake in some areas (Michigan). What, are you going to give COVID to the fish? Gym is closed, fine. Take your aerobics class to the park, spread everyone out ten feet apart, and get a cease-and-desist from the local government (Texas).

It's part of the reason that the various 'open' protests are happening. Sure, some of the folks are.... of questionable morals, but a lot of folks are just tired of the extent of it. https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/trafficandcommuting/quarantine-fatigue-researchers-find-more-americans-venturing-out-against-coronavirus-stay-at-home-orders/2020/04/25/fa1f01b2-84a3-11ea-a3eb-e9fc93160703_story.html?fbclid=IwAR1nb2GavlU-__lBkYaFU8FqnKKYgaxGz8VRbr5Ih_lnuKQQb9LHG1PNkEE

Mental Mickey

Missed the press conference.........what did he come out with this time?

Frank Bullitt

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Missed the press conference.........what did he come out with this time?

Just some conspiracy theory stuff, pretty tame compared to his other outbursts.

smurgen

American looking like a third world country under trump now. Richest country on earth can't afford to slow down in a bid to save thousands. It wouldn't give you confidence for the future of the U.S that's for sure.

Billy Mays

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Again just there now, he says he's had a look at the numbers and the US have done over 6 million tests.. correct.. and still goes on to say more than all combined. Good god. That's a couple of weeks of that lie/stupidity now.

The fact he's still saying it proves he's not lying

Apparently

extra gravy

Armed militia storming a State House. What's the likelihood of an armed uprising if he loses the election?

BonnieSituation

They couldn't have protested without guns of course.

BonnieSituation

Reading through it all on the Guardian site and the one sentence jumps out:

The Guardian wrote:

It’s legal and allowed to openly carry firearms inside Michigan’s state capitol building.

Why? Why is that in anyway needed?



I'm sure they needed those assault weapons, what was it, in case someone bigger and fitter than them attacked them... Yeah, that's the oft trotted out excuse on here.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/apr/30/michigan-protests-coronavirus-lockdown-armed-capitol