Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Christy42

Sand wrote: »

You know, you're right. I'll retract the statement that 'everyone in the US minimised this outbreak as much as they could until about mid-March'. Given my objection is to the declarative statement that everyone except Trump saw this coming, it's sufficient for me to just point out that the NYC leadership and Dr Fauci didn't see it coming.



I really don't get why you're arguing over this, but it does help demonstrate my point. Any attempt to take the correct steps early was impossible given the so many people cant conceive of controlled borders or impeding GDP.



It's interesting that you think the walls of a 3 bed semi detached can curb the transmission of a disease, but that border walls cannot. You really need to consider how you've come to believe these things.

You really need to consider how you came to believe a wall of a house is the same as a country. Hint: please compare air traffic into and out of my house with the US. Or indeed the sheer scale of the number of people in my house with the US. The disease very obviously did not walk across the Pacific so a border wall is useless unless you also want a border roof and your house analogy falls apart.

It does not demonstrate your point. No one would have argued with Trump beefing up pandemic response teams that he had crippled. No one would have argued had he taken steps to solidify supply lines of ppe or to get actual working testing equipment. Instead he did none of that and is now dismantling the pandemic teams.

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Without wearing a mask. About which, I have mixed feelings if I am completely honest...

Oh that must mean you support Trump. That seems to be the reaction whenever something is said that is mildly in agreement of him.

Professor Moriarty

hotmail.com wrote: »

Oh that must mean you support Trump. That seems to be the reaction whenever something is said that is mildly in agreement of him.

No. Those mixed feelings, of which I am a little ashamed, would not be supportive of Trump.

Tchaikovsky

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

I see Trump toured a mask factory blaring guns and roses and the Rolling Stones, trying to turn the tour into a rally... looked bizzare

Have both acts released statements telling him to stop using their sounds without permission yet?

EltonJohn69

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

Have both acts released statements telling him to stop using their sounds without permission yet?

A long time ago, Prez does what he want !!!

PropJoe10

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No. Those mixed feelings, of which I am a little ashamed, would not be supportive of Trump.

I'm having the same line of thinking, I must admit. Much worse things could happen, in all honesty.

pixelburp

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No. Those mixed feelings, of which I am a little ashamed, would not be supportive of Trump.

Thing is, if the rumours are true, if Trump is a germaphobe, he probably washes his hands regularly anyway - which some reckon is of more value than wearing a mask in the first place (though if one's visiting a hospital one should follow protocol, unlike Pence). You'd imagine anyone with a predilection towards hypochondria was already well prepared for this pandemic.

Professor Moriarty

pixelburp wrote: »

Thing is, if the rumours are true, if Trump is a germaphobe, he probably washes his hands regularly anyway - which some reckon is of more value than wearing a mask in the first place (though if one's visiting a hospital one should follow protocol, unlike Pence). You'd imagine anyone with a predilection towards hypochondria was already well prepared for this pandemic.

Well, not to get into a debate, but masks are increasingly seen as important. In fact the US advises people to wear them so Trump and Pence not wearing them is a slap in the face for the CDC. If he is a hypochondriac, his anxiety levels will be through the roof. Which would make wearing a mask all the more sensible today.

pixelburp

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Well, not to get into a debate, but masks are increasingly seen as important. In fact the US advises people to wear them so Trump and Pence not wearing them is a slap in the face for the CDC. If he is a hypochondriac, his anxiety levels will be through the roof. Which would make wearing a mask all the more sensible today.

Oh I don't deny masks are important, just speculating that Trump's cavalier attitudes might be accidentally protected by a pre-existing compulsion to wash his hands. If the rumours are true mind you. There's certainly no excuse not to follow protocol and lead by example. Circling back to the issue of a simple failure of leadership.

duploelabs

pixelburp wrote: »

Thing is, if the rumours are true, if Trump is a germaphobe, he probably washes his hands regularly anyway - which some reckon is of more value than wearing a mask in the first place (though if one's visiting a hospital one should follow protocol, unlike Pence). You'd imagine anyone with a predilection towards hypochondria was already well prepared for this pandemic.

Prior to the release of the Steele Report, particularly the 'golden' chapter, is there any statements from Trump saying he's a germaphobe? His body language in this epidemic certainly doesn't support it

serfboard

duploelabs wrote: »

Prior to the release of the Steele Report, particularly the 'golden' chapter, is there any statements from Trump saying he's a germaphobe? His body language in this epidemic certainly doesn't support it

A man who has sex with porn stars, and god knows who else, a man who gets on a crowded podium during a pandemic, and a man who refuses to wear a mask is not a germaphobe.

As you say, this was garbage put out in response to some previous allegation - "he couldn't have done X because he's a germaphobe", since there is nothing in his actions described above to support those words.

duploelabs

On some of the more 'feral' parts of Boards (cough AH cough), the shift in tonality of the pro-trumpers has distinctly moved back to praising Hydroxychloride.
All around the same time as the whistleblower story about the Trump administration pushing it without any proven efficacy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rick-bright-complaint-read-coronavirus-whistleblower-trump-hydroxychloroquine-a9500586.html

That's some coincidence but definitely not astroturfing

duploelabs

serfboard wrote: »

A man who has sex with porn stars, and god knows who else, a man who gets on a crowded podium during a pandemic, and a man who refuses to wear a mask is not a germaphobe.

As you say, this was garbage put out in response to some previous allegation - "he couldn't have done X because he's a germaphobe", since there is nothing in his actions described above to support those words.

Exactly, and as far as I can see, nothing mentioned by him about being a germaphobe before the Steele report. I am open to correction on this however

pixelburp

duploelabs wrote: »

Exactly, and as far as I can see, nothing mentioned by him about being a germaphobe before the Steele report. I am open to correction on this however

Oh yeah I accept it's likely bullplop, it's just a natural speculation given the world and its mother is suddenly concerned with personal hygiene.

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Professor Moriarty wrote: »

No. Those mixed feelings, of which I am a little ashamed, would not be supportive of Trump.

You're ashamed of having mixed feelings?

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duploelabs wrote: »

On some of the more 'feral' parts of Boards (cough AH cough), the shift in tonality of the pro-trumpers has distinctly moved back to praising Hydroxychloride.
All around the same time as the whistleblower story about the Trump administration pushing it without any proven efficacy.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/rick-bright-complaint-read-coronavirus-whistleblower-trump-hydroxychloroquine-a9500586.html

That's some coincidence but definitely not astroturfing

So about 3 posters supporting this?

duploelabs

hotmail.com wrote: »

So about 3 posters supporting this?

All around the same time, all back to a forgotten topic, funny that

Mental Mickey

OH just said that he's REVERSED his decision to disband the COVID19 task force....? Is that true?

If so, it just gets worse

Water John

Yes, obvious they got major blowback. Of course he'll simply downgrade it and focus on a new business opening taskforce.

Thargor

Water John wrote: »

Yes, obvious they got major blowback. Of course he'll simply downgrade it and focus on a new business opening taskforce.

Mental Mickey wrote: »

OH just said that he's REVERSED his decision to disband the COVID19 task force....? Is that true?

If so, it just gets worse

The "Never realised it was so popular" explanation are the words of an utter imbecile, theres no other words for it, a taskforce for dealing with a disease thats killing 100k+ Americans and he thinks its a popularity issue, how can anyone not understand such basic issues? We knew he was simple but the entire White House must be staffed by the same if that was allowed to proceed, its mind boggling.

This after disbanding the office that might have advised on how bad this pandemic was going to be right before it started aswell, it doesnt seem possible that anyone could be so bad at running anything.

TomOnBoard

Sand wrote: »

[.....]. Given my objection is to the declarative statement that everyone except Trump saw this coming, it's sufficient for me to just point out that [.....] Dr Fauci didn't see it coming.

What?

Dr Fauci didn't see it coming!!!???? Is this statement for real?

I've no problem with you saying that the New York politicos failed to see the gravity early on, and indeed Cuomo has previously said as much, but Fauci???

Mental Mickey

Thargor wrote: »

The "Never realised it was so popular" explanation are the words of an utter imbecile, theres no other words for it, a taskforce for dealing with a disease thats killing 100k+ Americans and he thinks its a popularity issue, how can anyone not understand such basic issues? We knew he was simple but the entire White House must be staffed by the same if that was allowed to proceed, its mind boggling.

This after disbanding the office that might have advised on how bad this pandemic was going to be right before it started aswell, it doesnt seem possible that anyone could be so bad at running anything.

Unfortunately, it seems that way.

aloyisious

Water John wrote: »

Yes, obvious they got major blowback. Of course he'll simply downgrade it and focus on a new business opening taskforce.

Did the blow-back come from the R side of the Senate and/or another very respected part of U.S society? Despite his original decision being silly on the face of it and probably disastrous for the U.S, it would have released Dr Fauci from service to Don and allowed him attend the House committee to answer whatever questions its members might want to put to him. So it might have been a two-point change of mind by Don. Putting it honestly, it was another bit of on-air musing from Don, only this time he got his knuckles severely rapped by some-one with power that he depends on.

Listening to the Press Secretary tonight describing questions from the House for Dr Fauci as political posturing, while not making a similar comparison to any the senate might put to him, shows the political slant she's putting on whomever wanted to put a question to Dr Fauci outside the reach of the White House.

trashcan

Mental Mickey wrote: »

OH just said that he's REVERSED his decision to disband the COVID19 task force....? Is that true?

If so, it just gets worse

He was clearly just being sarcastic !

Water John

Trump just said he received some calls, on the issue. People whose opinion he'd respect.
A nurse expressed a worry at the sometimes lack of PPE, very understated. Trump got very defensive, incl body language, folded arms.

aloyisious

BTW. thank you to the front and backroom staffers on Boards who dealt with the snag that was causing log-on and posting time delays, it's much appreciated.

amandstu

aloyisious wrote: »

BTW. thank you to the front and backroom staffers on Boards who dealt with the snag that was causing log-on and posting time delays, it's much appreciated.

Seems snappier than ever now.

Gunmonkey

Thargor wrote: »

The "Never realised it was so popular" explanation are the words of an utter imbecile, theres no other words for it, a taskforce for dealing with a disease thats killing 100k+ Americans and he thinks its a popularity issue, how can anyone not understand such basic issues? We knew he was simple but the entire White House must be staffed by the same if that was allowed to proceed, its mind boggling.

This after disbanding the office that might have advised on how bad this pandemic was going to be right before it started aswell, it doesnt seem possible that anyone could be so bad at running anything.

Its quite simple to understand really: the taskforce members (both current and previous) probably said "No, you cant do that, you need to do this instead!"...and, well...we all know how it goes when someone tells The Don what to do.

Zubeneschamali

duploelabs wrote: »

Exactly, and as far as I can see, nothing mentioned by him about being a germaphobe before the Steele report. I am open to correction on this however

It may be baloney, but it is old. Trump talked about being a germaphobe in 1998 with Howard Stern, quotes below.

In some of his ramblings, he seems to suggest he flushes the toilet many times, up to 10 times.

Hey, so wait a second, get back to my question," Stern said. "Let's say you're with a hot chick, right? But you're so germ paranoid, and I'm germ paranoid, do you say to them, 'look you've got to go take a medical test before I do you.'"

"Well, you'd like to say that, and sometimes you do," added Trump. "The problem is that sometimes your own chemicals take over and you can't wait."

"So you'll just have straight intercourse with a rubber with them right?" Stern asked.

"Well, I don't know, you know there's lots of different ways of doing it. It's a very complicated subject. They say that more people were killed by women in this act than killed in Vietnam, OK," Trump said.

Leroy42

So a germaphobe unless he is in a hurry or he couldn't be bothered?

So in reality he simple thinks being clean is important, but it is far from being a germaphobe.

noun: germaphobe
a person with an extreme fear of germs and an obsession with cleanliness.