Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

EltonJohn69

aloyisious wrote: »

Looking at the financial mess the virus has made of the U.S economy, causing closures of production lines and sales outlets [both vital tax earners points for the Govt] yesterday's news reports [naturally following up on events] that both Political Parties are in agreement that there must be another federal assist to business [which Don seems in agreement with if the parties allow the pegging-onto it of another tax refund cheque to each taxpayer], the report that Don wants to give $5 Billion to the farmers in exchange for them giving their product - which they would otherwise have to destroy - to food banks for people on the breadline, and Mr Mnuchin expressing doubt if there should be a 4th hand-out to business from the treasury, along with demands from the treasury to BIG business firms to return funding loans they got [which were intended for small businesses anyway]. it looks like Mnuchin is getting worried about the amount of $ still in the till. If there is a liquidity problem, Don would do anything to distract from it.

On the other side of the world, in Saudi Arabia, the crown prince has ordered a 1 million barrell per day cut in oil production, a cutback of 26 billion in planned project funding and a VAT hike from 5 to 15% on oil, all as a result of the effect Covid-19 has within the kingdom. I don't know how far the S/A oil product cutback will affect international oil prices but given how it was only two weeks ago that it and Russia [with urging from Don and other world leaders] agreed to stop their price war and bring peace to that market, the cut-back news must have an effect in the market [incl in the U.S - where the shale oil production is reportedly in a financial loss-mess]

Maybe Biden would be better off not having to deal with this mess and let Trump sink into this crisis/second term...

Cody montana

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Maybe Biden would be better off not having to deal with this mess and let Trump sink into this crisis/second term...

Can his environmental abuses survive another 4 years?

Infini

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Maybe Biden would be better off not having to deal with this mess and let Trump sink into this crisis/second term...

Personally better to have Biden deal with it than a corrupt and incompetent cabal that are currently running the show. Need real leadership to get people out of this, a bullshítter like Trump only makes things worse.

EltonJohn69

Biden inherits the mess and gets all the blame.... there seems to be a pattern of republican presidents leaving a tanked economy and dems having to fix it only for the cycle to begin again

EltonJohn69

Cody montana wrote: »

Can his environmental abuses survive another 4 years?

Definitely not.

sydthebeat

pixelburp wrote: »

Well. This is a perfectly normal country, behaving perfectly normally. Now, the whole thing has the air of the staged, there were only 11 people and I don't know "The News & Observer" - so take whatever pinch of salt you feel is necessary. Still though:

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/local/article242628341.html

Rocker launchers For FREEDOM. And Subway sandwiches. Yes, the article says the launcher is "inert", but IMO that's really not the point.

I will say: the random couple caught in the middle, the father laughing and exclaiming out-loud "you're trash people ..." deserves a medal for restraint and good humour in the face of insanity.

in ireland they hang around with Gemma o Doherty and carry viking shields and crutches

Mental Mickey

Doesn't he mean ObamaCare and not Obamagate??

Penn

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Doesn't he mean ObamaCare and not Obamagate??

No hes trying to spread the idea that theres a big scandal in the country involving Flynn and the FBI, and Obama is behind it (so Obamagate, like Watergate).

Unfortunately for him though, theres something else spreading in the country and he's unable to distract from it.

For Forks Sake

Gintonious wrote: »

Can anyone tell me, what exactly is Obamagate?

From the man himself :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1259953554728669187

Headshot

I see the child stormed off into a sulk because he didn't like the press questions.

What a man baby he is, it's just embarrassing

For Forks Sake

Headshot wrote: »

I see the child stormed off into a sulk because he didn't like the press questions.

What a man baby he is, it's just embarrassing

He also had a cut off another reporter.

How can any sentient American look at this manbaby and think "yes, this is presidential behaviour"

https://twitter.com/Swerdlick/status/1259959266032726022

Timberrrrrrrr

For Forks Sake wrote: »

He also had a cut off another reporter.

How can any sentient American look at this manbaby and think "yes, this is presidential behaviour"

https://twitter.com/Swerdlick/status/1259959266032726022

And yet hs acolytes on here will defend this behaviour!

Professor Moriarty

For Forks Sake wrote: »

He also had a cut off another reporter.

How can any sentient American look at this manbaby and think "yes, this is presidential behaviour"

https://twitter.com/Swerdlick/status/1259959266032726022

Seriously rattled. Must have been keeping an eye on the polls today.

aloyisious

Well, tonight's media briefing in the garden was hot. Don was asked about the Covid-19 response by an Asian-American reporter and replied "ask China" leaving her with a bemused look on her face.

Don pointed to another reporter and while she was coming up for the mike from [remember there's only one mike for all the reporters at Rose Garden briefngs] the 1st reporter [the Asian-American reporter] asked Don why he had said that to her. Don replied that he had said it to everyone there and pointed to a third reporter for a question. He called her question an insulting question.

The 2nd reporter then began asking Don her question and Don told her she had missed her chance. As she began pointing out to Don she was politely waiting for her Asian-American colleague to finish her question, Don abruptly pulled the plug on the briefing and walked off into the W/House. Looks like he realised he was seen to be casting a slight on the Asian-American reporter with his "ask China" statement.

aloyisious

The White House has started having people wearing masks there [except for P and V/P] so the message from the Docs has sunk into the heads of the resistors and doubters there.

Water John

The first reporter was a woman who also happened to be a Asian descent, the second was a woman from CNN. Absolute legitimate reasons for Trump to go into a sulk. Just what are women doing questioning him?

pixelburp

aloyisious wrote: »

Well, tonight's media briefing in the garden was hot. Don was asked about the Covid-19 response by an Asian-American reporter and replied "ask China" leaving her with a bemused look on her face.

Don pointed to another reporter and while she was coming up for the mike from [remember there's only one mike for all the reporters at Rose Garden briefngs] the 1st reporter [the Asian-American reporter] asked Don why he had said that to her. Don replied that he had said it to everyone there and pointed to a third reporter for a question. He called her question an insulting question.

The 2nd reporter then began asking Don her question and Don told her she had missed her chance. As she began pointing out to Don she was politely waiting for her Asian-American colleague to finish her question, Don abruptly pulled the plug on the briefing and walked off into the W/House. Looks like he realised he was seen to be casting a slight on the Asian-American reporter with his "ask China" statement.

Honestly, I thought you were exaggerating in that summary so had a look at the footage. That's exactly what happened. He just ... stormed off because he got flustered over being asked to clarify his maybe-racist snark. Couldn't even get back on track to let journo #2 talk. He really has just lost all semblance of self control at this stage.

November shouldn't even be a contest, yet never bet against the Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

aloyisious

The reality of testing for senior persons in the Admin became obvious over the past few days. Gen J Lengyel, head of the U.S National Guard was tested for Covid-19 & got a YES result on infection, so he was retested & got a NOT INFECTED result. He's to get a third test to find if he has, or has not, been infected. The Washington Times had the story but its firewalled, hence the other source link below. The Chief of Naval Ops, Admiral Mike Gilday, came into contact with a family member who tested positive for Covid-19 and as a result has quarantined himself despite his test being negative for the virus.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6927929/coronvirus-national-guard-test/

relax carry on

pixelburp wrote: »

Honestly, I thought you were exaggerating in that summary so had a look at the footage. That's exactly what happened. He just ... stormed off because he got flustered over being asked to clarify his maybe-racist snark. Couldn't even get back on track to let journo #2 talk. He really has just lost all semblance of self control at this stage.

November shouldn't even be a contest, yet never bet against the Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Is there any chance they'll ever invoke the 25th amendment?

fullstop

PropJoe10 wrote: »

Still waiting for someone over there to come up with a reasonable argument about why a Joe Soap member of the public needs to own an automatic weapon. Been waiting for a long long time now. Murica is a strange place, and it's getting stranger by the day.

Think Manic Moran said they need to shoot badgers or some such. What better way to get rid of mice in a subway store than firing a rocket launcher at them in fairness.

Lowest average IQ of any nation on earth, by a distance.

Toeuptony

pixelburp wrote: »

November shouldn't even be a contest, yet never bet against the Democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

It may not come down to the Democrats, although I don't believe they have done themselves any favours by selecting Biden as their candidate.

It will mainly come down to 2 points. 1) The questionable preferences of a good proportion of the electorate who will vote for Trump, even though it is against many of their own interests. 2) whether or not it will be a free and fair election.

PropJoe10

fullstop wrote: »

Think Manic Moran said they need to shoot badgers or some such. What better way to get rid of mice in a subway store than firing a rocket launcher at them in fairness.

Lowest average IQ of any nation on earth, by a distance.

Well, you only have to look at the conduct of the "President" earlier today with that Asian reporter to see what sort of a country it's turned into. It doesn't say much for the American education system, honestly.

If the Democrats don't beat Trump in November then they'll only have themselves to blame.

TomOnBoard

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just on that has anyone done an analysis of excess deaths in the US over the average for this time of year? Saw one done on the UK last week and its not pretty.

I'd say its probably too early to do that analysis yet... Death reporting in the required format is lagging behind events, AFAIK.

Frank Bullitt

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1259977837047660546

So we know that Obamagate is about nothing...he sounds like a very worried man here.

TomOnBoard

relax carry on wrote: »

Is there any chance they'll ever invoke the 25th amendment?

No.

Not a single member of Trump's cabinet would even consider it... Remember, not one of those folks has done anything other than lie down and roll over...

BonnieSituation

EltonJohn69 wrote: »

Maybe Biden would be better off not having to deal with this mess and let Trump sink into this crisis/second term...

You can't expect the arsonist to stick around and put out the fire.

Harry Palmr

Anyone who runs for president of the world er USA is intending to save it from the other fellow so leaving the incumbant to have a coronation is inconceivable Ted.

pixelburp

relax carry on wrote: »

Is there any chance they'll ever invoke the 25th amendment?

Honestly, I think invoking the 25th amendment would be a political disaster long-term: it's clear enough the Trump presidency is marked by a level of hyper-partisanship never seen in the country's mechanisms before. For the Democrats (and it would absolutely only be Democrats) to pull the trigger on Trump's competency, without an obvious physiological impairment like Woodrow Wilson in his own final days, it'd signal to the GOP and those Machiavellian that calling a President's mental faculties into question was fair game.

After all, there's no proof Trump is in mental decline: he could just be a scared, chest-puffing idiot. Though it wouldn't surprise me if the GOP try the 25th amendment angle on Biden. It's clear enough there are those convinced he's sundowning.

Zubeneschamali

pixelburp wrote: »

Honestly, I think invoking the 25th amendment would be a political disaster long-term: it's clear enough the Trump presidency is marked by a level of hyper-partisanship never seen in the country's mechanisms before. For the Democrats (and it would absolutely only be Democrats) to pull the trigger on Trump's competency

The 25th Amendment can't be used by the opposing party, it requires Trump's own cabinet to agree he is unfit.

Since Trumps cabinet are a bunch of sycophantic nobodies, that is never going to happen.

pixelburp

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

The 25th Amendment can't be used by the opposing party, it requires Trump's own cabinet to agree he is unfit.

Since Trumps cabinet are a bunch of sycophantic nobodies, that is never going to happen.

Sure, that's fair but not like we haven't seen a plethora of incidents - including those involving members of the admin, as seen with Comey - turned into accusations of Democrat interference or attempted coups. As you say, it won't happen if his cabinet are the ones pulling the trigger, but in this very hypothetical scenario? I'd guarantee Fox & Trump would rebrand this as a Deep State and / or Democrat coup.