Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

aloyisious

Manic Moran wrote: »

I realise that I wasn't expecting a genius oratory from him in this, but the combination of the governor's call and this announcement is particularly unhelpful and I'm wondering what his advisors were thinking when they gave him the Insurrection Act proposal. I honestly need to do some research on what he can and cannot do (Outside of Washingon DC, the rules don't really apply there). There are certainly some options for action without the State's governor, Arkansas 1957 is proof of that.

If the folks in charge have any sense, they will probably be used first to replace police in non-front-line positions. Securing police stations and jails, monitoring stations (to include Border Patrol, I recall the USBP were brought up for protests in California around 2003) letting the cops free to go to the streets. There is precedent for that, and it's less inflammatory.

However, as mentioned, the 1992 riots were quelled with military support. Only one or two firefights, it took particular gumption to take on organised armed soldiers, I served with some folks who were involved. The use of the insurrection act if State assets become overwhelmed isn't the worst idea, but as far as I know, the States aren't there yet and it could have been rather more diplomatically invoked than the combative narrative he's been using.

Trump made it clear that he won't use diplomacy, just domination. He probably saw the word insurrection, it clicked in his mind with the opposition he's been facing at political level and things went from there. Like you, I don't know what his advisors were thinking of when they talked to him about the Insurrcetion Act and the legal options, or who they were for sure but Barr likely had input as Trump would see him as the obvious person to then ask questions of about its use.

fullstop

Headshot wrote: »

I doubt he's ever opened the Bible in his life, it's just for show

“Is that your bible?”

“It’s a bible”

Harry Palmr

Cody montana wrote: »

Worst president ever.

He's not that good! Nixon is still worse

RIGOLO

Another night of idiotic mayhem across the predominantly Democrat controlled major urban centres of Amerikay.

Democrats did say Trumps presidency would lead to violence in the streets, as said Democrat launches a brick through a window and torches a police vehicle. And all to prove how tolerant the left is.

I guess when Russia4EVA, a porn star, Michael Avenatti, failed impeachment, Kavanaugh protests, wearing all white dresses during the SOTU ...its a long list, didnt get you what you want, well theres always the last resort of feeding and race baiting your supporters or as Lenin called them 'useful idiots' , into burning down the house to see if that can get you what you want.

Say goodbye to the Second AMmendment - right to bear arms - ever being done away with.
Interesting to see the predominantly Democrat strongholds being burned to the ground . The irony of rioters in cities which have Democrat senators, mayors, councilman, AGs, police chiefs etc all venting thier anger in senseless destruction and mayhem with much of it directed at their Republican President is self-evidently conveniently swept under the carpet.

so RIP to George Floyd, no man deserved that, hope the cop goes down hard for this. And also
RIP to the 10 souls ,African American shot dead on Memorial weekend , in black on black crime in Chicago, no protests for ye, no world wide major news coverage for ye, ye didnt fit the main streamn news narrative .
RIP to the 22 souls, yes 22 people shot dead, African Americans this last weekend, in black on black crime in Chicago, no protests for ye either , no global coverage for ye, it was the wrong colour crime.

Chicago , the old stomping ground of St. Obama, the prophet of the loony left, another Democrat stronghold, seems to be working very well.

Maybe these people are protesting that African Americans had never had it so good under President Trump, with their business ownership rates , employment levels, Black College funding , criminal justice refrorms all trending positively for their communities.

I think the female protestor in Seattle summed up the idiocy of it all, when she stole the cheesecake from the restaraunt. Im stealing this cheescake to honour the death of George Floyd, to support BLM and to denouce our lawfully elected President.. The lefts performance for the last 3 years has been idiotic in the extreme, its just manifesting itself in another form in recent days.

It certainly makes the election interesting, and what with Mike Garcia, Republican, winning back House seat District 25 in Democrat leaning California, its all trending that TRump will be re-elected. Alot of Claifornians will re-think and vote for TRump, the sooner the Democrat loons lose control of these cities the better for everyone, especially their inhabitants.

8-10

RIGOLO wrote: »

Maybe these people are protesting that African Americans had never had it so good under President Trump, with their business ownership rates , employment levels, Black College funding , criminal justice refrorms all trending positively for their communities.

Maybe yes, obvious when you put it like that.

The people are protesting because they've never had it so good. Trending upwards. Everything's rosy.

RIGOLO

8-10 wrote: »

Maybe yes, obvious when you put it like that.

The people are protesting because they've never had it so good. Trending upwards. Everything's rosy.

Well in general, America is a federally funded, but state managed and locally implemented structure, then you come full circle to ask yourself why are black communites in such a sorry state in Democrat controlled hegemonys that have been Democrat controlled for decades and generations. TRumps in power 3 years, are they rioting because of whats gone on for the last 3 years, or whats gone on for the last 3 generations in thier Democrat strongholds.

8-10

RIGOLO wrote: »

Well in general, America is a federally funded, but state managed and locally implemented structure, then you come full circle to ask yourself why are black communites in such a sorry state in Democrat controlled hegemonys that have been Democrat controlled for decades and generations. TRumps in power 3 years, are they rioting because of whats gone on for the last 3 years, or whats gone on for the last 3 generations in thier Democrat strongholds.

They're rioting because of police brutality, highlighted by a recent murder on the streets of Minneapolis

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

Well in general, America is a federally funded, but state managed and locally implemented structure, then you come full circle to ask yourself why are black communites in such a sorry state in Democrat controlled hegemonys that have been Democrat controlled for decades and generations. TRumps in power 3 years, are they rioting because of whats gone on for the last 3 years, or whats gone on for the last 3 generations in thier Democrat strongholds.

So Trump's improving their lives massively but has nothing to do with their lives which is all thr fault of Democrats?

Makes perfect sense to me.

Nice to have you back by the way now that there's something to comment on other than Trump's abdication of any response to leading the country through medical and financial crises.

Great that you can make a couple of race based comment again and don't have to talk about some annoying virus.

pixelburp

Foxtrol wrote: »

The man holds the bible like he has never seen one before

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/1267594813710446593?s=20

We've all been her a while, seen a lot of nonsense. But somehow, right this minute, that's the most pathetic display I've seen from a grown adult in a position of power. Maybe I've passed through "outrage" and just popped out the other side to "exhausted comedy". And of course, CoVid is sitll happening - infection rates are probably going to go up because of these protests.

The way he holds that bible; first not knowing what to even do with it, then thrusting it upwards in silence like it's some damn power pose. Which makes sense, he's an old-school CEO from the 70s, 80s; you look at his physical behaviour back with Clinton in 2016 and he was all about the intimidation and power poses. But with a bible? To say what here? Look at me, I have God on my side? And if that's his face of piety? Yeesh.

He's so, so out of his depth.

RIGOLO

8-10 wrote: »

They're rioting because of police brutality, highlighted by a recent murder on the streets of Minneapolis

Minneapolis.
Democrat Senator
Democrat House Representative
Democrat Mayor
Democrat Attorney General
Democrat Police Chief
a Democrat state for 80 years ...
seems to be another failed Democrat experiment at teh expense of African Americans.

Police leave is generally ALL cancelled on holiday weekends in Chicago, no long weekend with their families for these hard working front line 'To serve and Protect' badge wearers.
Why , because without them patrolling the streets, it wouldnt be 10 - 20 killed in black on black crime in Chicago every holiday weekend, it would be a multiple of that.

So explain how thats police brutality if thousands of cops have to give up their long weekneds and put their lives on the line whilst others are at the beach and bar-b-qs to stop black on blacks shooting the crap out of eachother. .

RIP to the 10 souls ,African American shot dead on Memorial weekend , in black on black crime in Chicago, no protests for ye, no world wide major news coverage for ye, ye didnt fit the main streamn news narrative .

RIP to the 22 souls, yes 22 people shot dead, African Americans this last weekend, in black on black crime in Chicago, no protests for ye either , no global coverage for ye, it was the wrong colour crime.

how is that police brutality.. sounds to me like black-on-black brutality to me.. guess in this identity politics era they can blame orange man for that too, even though its been going on for decades

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

Minneapolis.
Democrat Senator
Democrat House Representative
Democrat Mayor
Democrat Attorney General
Democrat Police Chief
a Democrat state for 80 years ...
seems to be another failed Democrat experiment at teh expense of African Americans.

Police leave is generally ALL cancelled on holiday weekends in Chicago, no long weekend with their families for these hard working front line 'To serve and Protect' badge wearers.
Why , because without them patrolling the streets, it wouldnt be 10 - 20 killed in black on black crime in Chicago every holiday weekend, it would be a multiple of that.

So explain how thats police brutality if thousands of cops have to give up their long weekneds and put their lives on the line whilst others are at the beach and bar-b-qs to stop black on blacks shooting the crap out of eachother. .

RIP to the 10 souls ,African American shot dead on Memorial weekend , in black on black crime in Chicago, no protests for ye, no world wide major news coverage for ye, ye didnt fit the main streamn news narrative .

RIP to the 22 souls, yes 22 people shot dead, African Americans this last weekend, in black on black crime in Chicago, no protests for ye either , no global coverage for ye, it was the wrong colour crime.

how is that police brutality.. sounds to me like black-on-black brutality to me.. guess in this identity politics era they can blame orange man for that too, even though its been going on for decades

Haha. So there's no such thing as police brutality because they work weekends.

Never stop! Seriously never stop.

Come on, more democrat blaming.

RIGOLO

Midlife wrote: »

Haha. So there's no such thing as police brutality because they work weekends.

Never stop! Seriously never stop.

Come on, more democrat blaming.

Geat to be back on this thread , arguing with the straw man again.
Happy to re-read my threads and point out I never said police brutality didnt exist.

Conflating systemic police brutality all because of a recent heinous crime by one member of the force (and yes there are many examples of crimes by police force members), yet ignoring the sheer volume of tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of police actions taken daily, running into millions over teh year, to protect the inhabitants of African American comunities is simply race baiting and a main stream media bias.

Just as when one deranged Democrat went out with an AR to kill Republican members of Congress at a baseball game , did not mean ALL democrats were gun toting Republican assasins.
One deranged white cop comitting this outrageous act does not mean all cops are bad .

This has secured Trumps re-election, he did pretty good with the Covid-19 response, and now he is going to sort out the rioting.
Its a win win for him at this point.
If he manages to quell the rioting , its another accomplishment.
If the rioting continues on and off until November, when the middle of the road voter (remember elections are won by gaining thier support) goes to the poll
they will lean towards TRump as eh evidence of Democrat failure on a state local and community level will be as self-evident as the broken glass on their streets.

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

Geat to be back on this thread , arguing with the straw man again.
Happy to re-read my threads and point out I never said police brutality didnt exist.

Conflating systemic police brutality all because of a recent heinous crime by one member of the force (and yes there are many examples of crimes by police force members), yet ignoring the sheer volume of tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands of police actions taken daily, running into millions over teh year, to protect the inhabitants of African American comunities is simply race baiting and a main stream media bias.

Just as when one deranged Democrat went out with an AR to kill Republican members of Congress at a baseball game , did not mean ALL democrats were gun toting Republican assasins.
One deranged white cop comitting this outrageous act does not mean all cops are bad .

This has secured Trumps re-election, he did pretty good with the Covid-19 response, and now he is going to sort out the rioting.
Its a win win for him at this point.
If he manages to quell the rioting , its another accomplishment.
If the rioting continues on and off until November, when the middle of the road voter (remember elections are won by gaining thier support) goes to the poll
they will lean towards TRump as eh evidence of Democrat failure on a state local and community level will be as self-evident as the broken glass on their streets.

Yeah, as you say reelection secured, coronavirus response was great. Poll numbers going up everywhere :D

He's coming out of this better than ever.

dwayneshintzy

RIGOLO, the overwhelming view of the Black community in America is that they are discriminated against by police, and that disproportionate force is used against them. Since you believe this is a myth, why do you think they hold this view?

Hurrache

RIGOLO wrote: »

Geat to be back on this thread , arguing with the straw man again.

Thing is, you're not arguing. You're regurgitating propaganda and whitewash. There's good reason why you get few, if any, people taking any 'point' you make and debating it.

aloyisious

Salt Lake City might be taken as an example of how polarized U.S civil society has become under Trump's care - link: https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/it-was-inappropriate-officer-being-investigated-after-pushing-down-non-violent-elderly-man-with-cane - versus the case of Brandon McCormick driving to a protest there shouting out support for the police. stopping his car & getting out with a hunting bow before firing arrows at people. Brandon was then tackled by the public, disarmed and led away by police with cuts and bruises. He later claimed he was assaulted while seated in his car by black men who reached into his car through its window. The online videos show him unharmed & unbruised as he loaded, aimed & fired arrows from his bow at people after he got out of his car. Unfortunately for Brandon, after the police took him away, his car was torched by some-one there. https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&url=https%3A%2F%2Fkslnewsradio.com%2F1926285%2Fpolice-screening-charges-against-bow-and-arrow-man-asking-for-reports%2F%3F&psig=AOvVaw2tfNg6Z9qO7KlfzxsHtt_a&ust=1591173851794000&source=images&cd=vfe&ved=2ahUKEwj42vvS3uLpAhUsRBUIHQ2mA8QQr4kDegUIARCMAg

Midlife

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

RIGOLO, the overwhelming view of the Black community in America is that they are discriminated against by police, and that disproportionate force is used against them. Since you believe this is a myth, why do you think they hold this view?

I'm guess it's the same reason they don't appreciate Trump and the same reason that they'll overwhelmingly vote against him in the election.

Successful looney left dem propaganda I think is what RIGOLO would view it as.

8-10

RIGOLO wrote: »

Geat to be back on this thread , arguing with the straw man again.

You're replying to my comments about police brutality in Minneapolis with a rant about Chicago if you want to talk strawmen

Igotadose

RIGOLO wrote: »

Geat to be back on this thread , arguing with the straw man again.

Wiggles! We missed you.

How's the old economy (40mn unemployed, 15% unemployment, overwhelmed soup kitchens doing? Huge bloating of the debt to keep the country going!)

Is it time for another Hank Paulsen moment? Oh right, we've had like 3 in the last few months, run that printing press and print them greenbacks!

Did you get your stimulus check? I got mine, as well as a letter from the IRS so that #IMPOTUS got something to do! I've got an #IMPOTUS autograph now! Might be worth something someday!

Election secured, indeed. #BIDEN2020. Heck, with the mask and sunnies, Biden could be *dead* and he'd get elected. WeekendAtJoe's!

Carfacemandog

Harry Palmr wrote: »

He's not that good! Nixon is still worse

We're far past "Nixon was worse" territory at this stage, to be honest. Far, far past it.

Midlife

Before people waste time being serious and rational.

You're about to enter debate with someone who just posted that Trump's pretty good coronavirus response will help his election in November.

So not only does he think Trump did well with coronavirus but he thinks that other people believe that too.

That's his grip on the reality of what's happening in America right now.

'Pity' about sums it up. A new word the world is using when it comes to the states.

That's the response to MAGA around the world. Pity.

8-10

As Trump said himself yesterday, America is becoming a laughing stock

Timberrrrrrrr

8-10 wrote: »

As Trump said himself yesterday, America is becoming a laughing stock

America has been a laughing stock for over three years.

Penn

And it says something about Trump's narcissism that he felt they were a laughing stock, and to combat that, he thought the best thing would be to have the police remove peaceful protesters from church grounds, which included the priests of that church, so Trump could take a walk down to the church, hold up a Bible (not his Bible, obviously since it's a book he's never read, just "a" Bible), and walk back to the WH.

Yeah, that'll stop the laughter.

bad2dabone

Pretty good: 106k dead, 40m out of work, cities on fire.

Rigolo's rigourous standards.

trashcan

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Everything he does is unnatural looking and sounding. He stands and walks weird even.

It literally looks like someone came down and is acting like a "male human entity".

Reminds me of a recent quote about Dominic Cummings.."He's a human being, presumably.."

8-10

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

America has been a laughing stock for over three years.

Yeah I don't agree with that. I think it's lost considerable credibility in the past 3 years. Even if you disagreed or found some aspects of their politics and society funny before then, it still had quite a lot of respect internationally. I don't think it's the same anymore.

Which, if America First is your policy, might be fine, but in practice that's not going to work if you become even more divisive domestically, which again I think was happening before but is much more pronounced in recent years.

This President is particularly poor at unifying his citizens. I'd argue he's doing the opposite.

aloyisious

RIGOLO wrote: »

Interesting to see the predominantly Democrat strongholds being burned to the ground . The irony of rioters in cities which have Democrat senators, mayors, councilman, AGs, police chiefs etc all venting thier anger in senseless destruction and mayhem with much of it directed at their Republican President is self-evidently conveniently swept under the carpet.

so RIP to George Floyd, no man deserved that, hope the cop goes down hard for this.

Maybe these people are protesting that African Americans had never had it so good under President Trump, with their business ownership rates , employment levels, Black College funding , criminal justice refrorms all trending positively for their communities.

Welcome back, strawman, despite your attempts at sarcasm, it's good to see you acknowledge the fuse that lit the fire.

The Nal

Harry Palmr wrote: »

He's not that good! Nixon is still worse

Nixon created the National Cancer Act, ended the draft, ended the Vietnam War, was the first president to visit China, negotiated an anti ballistic missile treaty with the Soviets, created the Environmental Protection Agency, lowered the voting age from 21 to 18, ended segregation in Southern schools, created a civil rights law preventing gender bias at colleges....

Leroy42

What was the point of the walkabout?

He clears the streets of peaceful protestors to stand by a church sign whilst holding up a bible. What is it supposed to mean? That religion will be the salvation? That he is leading through learnings from the Bible? Which, the New or Old Testament?

It was so bizarre and clearly aimed at 'showing' the world that he isn't hiding in his bunker. So yet again when faced with a crisis his first issue is how HE is being portrayed. How unfair it is on HIM.

I saw a lot of the tweets fro Trump supporters exclaiming, a bit like Rigolo, that this is real leadership. That he has to get tough on those libs and, at least according to rigolo, all the protestors are Democrats.

But where was Trump calling for the National Guard when those guys stored the government building in Michigan recently? Why was he not calling them terrorists and threatening the military?

Again, all he had to do was stand up and call for calm.

Say "we are all Americans, all in this together, that he is setting up a committee to review police, he feels peoples pain and it is one of the reasons he ran for POTUS was to make the lives of all people better. What happened, and happens throughout the country, is unacceptable and the people responsible must be held to account by the justice system. But we are a country that is based on democracy and justice, and justice does not involve looting and attacking the police. Many community leaders have called fro calm, and I join them, as a fellow American, as the current violence is tearing our country apart. This won't be solved be me, or you, or any one person. It requires every person to look at themselves and see how they can be better, if not for themselves then for the country. "