Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

RIGOLO

Like the lady said in the viral clip, stop looting the shop, this will get TRump re-elected. With intensity of emotion comes true insightfulness.

Moderates will always lean towards law and order in times of social turmoil and Trump represents that.

The riots are gaining Trump supporters, cos moderates (the ones who sway an election) can see how much of a disaster the country would be if the people who stand up for the rioters who are throwing bricks through windows, looting and setting fire to their community, were ever to get back into power.

DNC are always about two plays behind where the real events are happening.
They will have a hard time explaing to the residents of states, cities and neighbourhoods they the Dems have controlled as long as anyone can remmeber that they are the ones to fix any of the issues that have exploded right in front of them.

No sign of major rioting in RED states. I guess the peacful protestors/rioters know that license to carry permit holders dont take kindly to having their property destroyed.

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

The left spent the last 3 years deflecting from the economic succes story that was the US economy under the TRump administration.
Most leftist commentators nearly choked having to announce the booming tock market, booming job creation, booming business growth and never was any of this success ascribed to Trumps policies.
Suddenly because a global pandemic has decimated economys all over the world, the left want to be taken seriously as econmic analysts because they can point to the resultant major job losses in the US. I think not.

By the way the term useful idiots is generally ascribed to socialist left wing acolytes who are controlled by their totalitarian betters. Your conflating your political history using that reference for TRump supporters or have you not studied Lenin and his communist manifesto.

Nothing worse than someone pretending to be worldly and well read.

It's Marx's communist manifesto. The communist manifesto by Karl Marx. :D

Lenin was the Russian revolutionary and president. Big in the 1900s.

Karl Marx was the German political philosopher. Big in the 1800s.

Hilarious.

Foxtrol

RIGOLO wrote: »

Like the lady said in the viral clip, stop looting the shop, this will get TRump re-elected. With intensity of emotion comes true insightfulness.

Moderates will always lean towards law and order in times of social turmoil and Trump represents that.

The riots are gaining Trump supporters, cos moderates (the ones who sway an election) can see how much of a disaster the country would be if the people who stand up for the rioters who are throwing bricks through windows, looting and setting fire to their community, were ever to get back into power.

DNC are always about two plays behind where the real events are happening.
They will have a hard time explaing to the residents of states, cities and neighbourhoods they the Dems have controlled as long as anyone can remmeber that they are the ones to fix any of the issues that have exploded right in front of them.

No sign of major rioting in RED states. I guess the peacful protestors/rioters know that license to carry permit holders dont take kindly to having their property destroyed.

Your logic fails when Trump is in charge and part of the cause to why the country is such 'a disaster'.

If 3 years in charge he is so weak he has to resort to having the army on the streets to keep peace, what will it be after 8 years?

Midlife

RIGOLO wrote: »

No sign of major rioting in RED states. I guess the peacful protestors/rioters know that license to carry permit holders dont take kindly to having their property destroyed.

Could you also confirm by the above what you mean as red states?

I'm curious can you find a definition that makes your statement correct.

At the rate you're going you're going to need you own version of Kayleigh to tell us what you meant.

Or you could just say you were being sarcastic.

Carfacemandog

RIGOLO wrote: »

No sign of major rioting in RED states. I guess the peacful protestors/rioters know that license to carry permit holders dont take kindly to having their property destroyed.

The gunfights and dead people in Missouri, Indianapolosi and Kentucky would say otherwise, to name three just off the top of my head.

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/police-and-soldiers-return-fire-killing-man-in-louisville
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/06/01/the-latest-police-say-4-officers-shot-in-st-louis-protests/
https://eu.indystar.com/story/news/local/indianapolis/2020/05/31/indianapolis-protests-29-arrested-2-people-shot-death/5299431002/

Pedro K

Why does RIGOLO capitalise the R in Trump?

Fall_Guy

RIGOLO wrote: »

Like the lady said in the viral clip, stop looting the shop, this will get TRump re-elected. With intensity of emotion comes true insightfulness.

Moderates will always lean towards law and order in times of social turmoil and Trump represents that.

The riots are gaining Trump supporters, cos moderates (the ones who sway an election) can see how much of a disaster the country would be if the people who stand up for the rioters who are throwing bricks through windows, looting and setting fire to their community, were ever to get back into power.

DNC are always about two plays behind where the real events are happening.
They will have a hard time explaing to the residents of states, cities and neighbourhoods they the Dems have controlled as long as anyone can remmeber that they are the ones to fix any of the issues that have exploded right in front of them.

No sign of major rioting in RED states. I guess the peacful protestors/rioters know that license to carry permit holders dont take kindly to having their property destroyed.

The logic here is baffling. The swing voters who went trump over hillary last time will not look at this madness and think "oh trump is the man who will bring order".

They will look at it and say "trump threw petrol on a fire by making inflammatory comments and threatening force on his citizens when the rioting started at the protests". Things have only gotten worse, not better, since his threats.

As uninspiring a candidate as Biden is, his response to the events of the last week, will make him look a LOT more attractive to the "vote for who i hate the least" contingent that pretty much swung the election for trump last time.

The logic about most of the unrest happening in traditionally democratic states is also baffling too. It couldn't have anything to do with problematic nature of many republicans beliefs regarding race? As in, maybe not as many people in those areas saw all that much to be angry about...

Carfacemandog

Fall_Guy wrote: »

The logic about most of the unrest happening in traditionally democratic states is also baffling too. It couldn't have anything to do with problematic nature of many republicans beliefs regarding race? As in, maybe not as many people in those areas saw all that much to be angry about...

It actually has more to do with the fact that the poster you are quoting clearly point blank made that point up, without it having an basis in reality, in order to push a dishonest agenda.

Missouri, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Indianapolis, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas are all hotspot areas with Republican governors.

Foxtrol

Carfacemandog wrote: »

It actually has more to do with the fact that the poster you are quoting clearly point blank made that point up, without it having an basis in reality, in order to push a dishonest agenda.

Missouri, Georgia, Ohio, North Carolina, Florida, Indianapolis, Kentucky, Tennessee and Texas are all hotspot areas with Republican governors.

To be fair, I don't think the poster just made it up, instead they read it in Trump and MAGA feeds and regurgitated it without any attempt to fact check.

When you're that deep in facts are what they tell you they are.

Manic Moran

Leroy42 wrote: »

I assume the militia, indeed all gun owners and advocates, will now mobilise against a federal government looking to use force against them and their follow citizens.

Isn't that what A2 is all about? The right to bear arms is there, not to allow people to shoot deer with semi automatic weapons after all.

Will you be out on the streets or is this the right type of federal force?

The first part seems unlikely. Given that they tend to be the folks already shooting (or more commonly preparing to shoot, but the former has certainly happened this week) looters or random violent actors because of their objections to the practice of looting or randomly beating up people, I can't see them objecting particularly to the government use of force if that's necessary to stop the destruction and violence either.

As for the second question, I have seen nothing to indicate I'm going to get involved. Even if I do, I currently assigned to drive a desk at a headquarters element, I'm unlikely to be out on the street.

aloyisious

Tea drinker wrote: »

Was there a curfew? Did they obey police instructions?
Yellow vest regularly get beaten when they don't disperse or obey the instructions. Pretty much universal that protestors get beat, it's a popular past time in EU too. May have been an ill judged move by Trump nonetheless

For what it's worth now & for the record, the Washington Mayor [Muriel Bowser] set the curfew start time to start at 7PM. According to her today [in her condemnation of the police action against the peaceful protestors] the police moved off against the protestors in Lafayette Park 25 minutes [6.35PM] before the curfew started. There were NO instructions issued from any of the federal police agencies involved to the peaceful protestors before they began firing off tear gas and flash-bang cartridges at the peaceful protestors. The police action was started from several points simultaneously making it clear it was planned, which live feed from cameras made clear from the start.

aloyisious

RIGOLO wrote: »

The left spent the last 3 years deflecting from the economic succes story that was the US economy under the TRump administration.
Most leftist commentators nearly choked having to announce the booming tock market, booming job creation, booming business growth and never was any of this success ascribed to Trumps policies.
Suddenly because a global pandemic has decimated economys all over the world, the left want to be taken seriously as econmic analysts because they can point to the resultant major job losses in the US. I think not.

By the way the term useful idiots is generally ascribed to socialist left wing acolytes who are controlled by their totalitarian betters. Your conflating your political history using that reference for TRump supporters or have you not studied Lenin and his communist manifesto.

You've been writing about the Left and Leftists choking on the booming economy. Did Trump start off the booming economy you mention or did he take it over from the previous administration? I'm curious to know where the left and leftists suddenly came from.

Hurrache

RIGOLO wrote: »

No sign of major rioting in RED states.

Police Chief of Houston, Texas, blood red, has told Trump keep his mouth shut if he wants to help.

Manic Moran

Hurrache wrote: »

Police Chief of Houston, Texas, blood red, has told Trump keep his mouth shut if he wants to help.

Are there any police chiefs anywhere with a blood of another color, out of curiousity?

Politically, he's actually something of a moderate, he's butted heads with politicians of both sides and describes himself as a life-long RINO. The city of Houston itself (well, Harris County, which is almost the same thing) is predominantly Democrat, voting 53-45 for Clinton in the 2016 election.

This interview with him is interesting.

https://www.texasmonthly.com/politics/art-acevedo-houston-police-gun-violence/

It’s fine with me. Always a RINO. But now I’m just “You know what? Screw it.” I think that the two-party system and the gerrymandering that both parties have done, where they all have safe districts, has led to the loss of pragmatism, the loss of common sense.

You know what elected officials too often are focusing on? Their bases, instead of their constituencies. Because their bases on either end of the spectrum are out of touch with most of the people.

ExMachina1000

reece289 wrote: »

Government doesn't own the streets. The people of America do. The Police are their to protect and serve. They have failed to protect and people have taken to the their streets to condemn the polices actions.

Now the police cannot protect and serve against looters ect. They need to take a step back. Stop attacking those they swore to protect and serve.

They can down tools and go home for all I care. Let the Americans destroy their own neighborhoods and local businesses. Eventually the crowds will realise what they have done to their own neighborhoods and in a time of uncertanty with 40million unemployed.
The police cant win now. Damned if they do damned I'd they don't.

Any thoughts on the four police officers shot in st Louis? Or the dead black police officer ?


Seems to be a question none will answer

reece289

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

They can down tools and go home for all I care. Let the Americans destroy their own neighborhoods and local businesses.
The police cant win now. Damned if they do damned I'd they don't.

Any thoughts on the four police officers shot in st Louis? Or the dead black police officer ?

Seems to be a question none will answer

Awful reactions to the police failing to protect and serve.

The trust that exists between police/garda and the people is a tough balance for sure. At the end of the day though lets not miss the point of said police. Once that trust gets breached, it often becomes impossible to police properly. The police are fully aware if this.

Any thoughts on the many many people killed by Police in America yearly that never receive any kind of justice for unlawful killing?

The black community can't win now, they are damned if they are peaceful in protest and damned if they react to the killing of their family members with anger.

FrostyJack

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Any thoughts on the four police officers shot in st Louis? Or the dead black police officer ?


Seems to be a question none will answer

You want them to go in hard which will result in many many more police officers lives, so they obviously don't mean much to you, so spare us. The 2A was written to for this exact reason so it is gone beyond "the left" and racial groups, the boggaloo people are delighted with this, that is why you are seeing all the footage of white, nazi tattoo having, Hawaiian shirt wearing guys smashing and burning stuff.

RIGOLO

Fall_Guy wrote: »

The logic here is baffling. The swing voters who went trump over hillary last time will not look at this madness and think "oh trump is the man who will bring order".

They will look at it and say "trump threw petrol on a fire by making inflammatory comments and threatening force on his citizens when the rioting started at the protests". Things have only gotten worse, not better, since his threats.

As uninspiring a candidate as Biden is, his response to the events of the last week, will make him look a LOT more attractive to the "vote for who i hate the least" contingent that pretty much swung the election for trump last time.

The logic about most of the unrest happening in traditionally democratic states is also baffling too. It couldn't have anything to do with problematic nature of many republicans beliefs regarding race? As in, maybe not as many people in those areas saw all that much to be angry about...

A strong case can easily be made that post-race riots , Republican Presidential candidates do well. History has already been written on that.

During Johnsons term 63-69 we had major race riots ,albeit connected to the civil rights movement but violent protests none the less, from 63 in Birmingham AL, thru 64 NJ, 65 LA Watts riots, 66 Chicago, 67 NJ+NY to name but a few and culminating in the wide spread riots in 68 after MLKs assaination. America was in flames across over a hundred cities.

1969 Richard Nixon won in a LANDSLIDE !

When theres pandemonium on the streets, when the Democrats have come out on the side of violent rioters , I think middle of the road voters will turn to the candidate that represents law and order and not the party that represents everyone sharing the same bathroom.

Foxtrol

Manic Moran wrote: »

The first part seems unlikely. Given that they tend to be the folks already shooting (or more commonly preparing to shoot, but the former has certainly happened this week) looters or random violent actors because of their objections to the practice of looting or randomly beating up people, I can't see them objecting particularly to the government use of force if that's necessary to stop the destruction and violence either.

As for the second question, I have seen nothing to indicate I'm going to get involved. Even if I do, I currently assigned to drive a desk at a headquarters element, I'm unlikely to be out on the street.

I'm not sure if you fall into that category but it is good to see the mask slip off the 'don't tread on me' folk, who have for years claimed they had some sort of moral code that they wanted to hold guns for fear of government overreach but now are supporting the government in attacks on peaceful protesters, mobilizing the army, and curfews.

The mask similarly fell off the Tea Party, who were all about small government but are silent if not cheering on Trump's deficit.

Both group's bullsh1t was always obvious but I'm glad we can now point to this hypocrisy when they try to raise it in the future.

Foxtrol

RIGOLO wrote: »

A strong case can easily be made that post-race riots , Republican Presidential candidates do well. History has already been written on that.

During Johnsons term 63-69 we had major race riots ,albeit connected to the civil rights movement but violent protests none the less, from 63 in Birmingham AL, thru 64 NJ, 65 LA Watts riots, 66 Chicago, 67 NJ+NY to name but a few and culminating in the wide spread riots in 68 after MLKs assaination. America was in flames across over a hundred cities.

1969 Richard Nixon won in a LANDSLIDE !

When theres pandemonium on the streets, when the Democrats have come out on the side of violent rioters , I think middle of the road voters will turn to the candidate that represents law and order and not the party that represents everyone sharing the same bathroom.

Nixon was the challenger, he wasn't presiding over the country burning and throwing petrol on the fire.

Even if Trump gets his way and they army patrolling the streets, will voters feel safer now than before he came into office.

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

A strong case can easily be made that post-race riots , Republican Presidential candidates do well. History has already been written on that.

During Johnsons term 63-69 we had major race riots ,albeit connected to the civil rights movement but violent protests none the less, from 63 in Birmingham AL, thru 64 NJ, 65 LA Watts riots, 66 Chicago, 67 NJ+NY to name but a few and culminating in the wide spread riots in 68 after MLKs assaination. America was in flames across over a hundred cities.

1969 Richard Nixon won in a LANDSLIDE !

When theres pandemonium on the streets, when the Democrats have come out on the side of violent rioters , I think middle of the road voters will turn to the candidate that represents law and order and not the party that represents everyone sharing the same bathroom.

So this is, politically speaking, a good thing for the GOP and Trump.

Lets look at that. What you are suggesting is that increasing race tensions, the inevitable explosion and subsequent put down by state bodies such as the police has, historically, been advantageous for GOP.

Yet we are also supposed to believe that the GOP and Trump are the best party to run America?

RIGOLO

Midlife wrote: »

Nothing worse than someone pretending to be worldly and well read.

It's Marx's communist manifesto. The communist manifesto by Karl Marx. :D

Lenin was the Russian revolutionary and president. Big in the 1900s.

Karl Marx was the German political philosopher. Big in the 1800s.

Hilarious.

which is why I didnt use Capital Letters ....

Karl MArx wrote The Communist Manifesto

Your conflating your political history using that reference for TRump supporters or have you not studied Lenin and his communist manifesto.

I was simply refereing to Lenis extensive bibliography with a catchy turn of phrase.

I though cultural appropriation was anathema to left, surely appropriating a slur credited to a communist to describe liberals, and using it to call Trump supporters likewise breaks some kind of modern day identity polictics unwritten rule.

looksee

I just watched a report showing a few cases where police tried to show a bit of solidarity with the peaceful protesters, walk with them, talk with them and generally act in a more civilised manner than has been demonstrated in most places.

Then there is footage of troops - National Guard - arriving at the White House. Both Barr and Trump are talking up more action, stronger responses and creating a sense of threat and panic from the top. Is this a deliberate attempt to foment civil war? Do they have any justification in their own minds for doing this? What is going on in their heads? Is it some sort of deliberate attempt to tear the country apart?

RIGOLO

Leroy42 wrote: »

So this is, politically speaking, a good thing for the GOP and Trump.

Lets look at that. What you are suggesting is that increasing race tensions, the inevitable explosion and subsequent put down by state bodies such as the police has, historically, been advantageous for GOP.

Yet we are also supposed to believe that the GOP and Trump are the best party to run America?

Like I said its a win win for Trump.

If he handles the riots well and they subside then he wins,
If the riots continue for much longer and get closer to the DNC or GOP conventions then most certainly American middle of the road voters will lean towards Trump.

I dont make the rules, but this is how the game is played.

Once more the Democrats and main streamn media are fueling the fires that will get TRump elected. They have been race-baiting the populace for 4 years . They are the ones increaing race tensions and have done nothing to contain them . Come November voters will decide if they want Joe Biden who has come out and said the police were heavy handed in dealing with rioters, or vote for Trump who said the police need to get tougher with the rioters and protect property, livelihoods and jobs.

Foxtrol

looksee wrote: »

I just watched a report showing a few cases where police tried to show a bit of solidarity with the peaceful protesters, walk with them, talk with them and generally act in a more civilised manner than has been demonstrated in most places.

Then there is footage of troops - National Guard - arriving at the White House. Both Barr and Trump are talking up more action, stronger responses and creating a sense of threat and panic from the top. Is this a deliberate attempt to foment civil war? Do they have any justification in their own minds for doing this? What is going on in their heads? Is it some sort of deliberate attempt to tear the country apart?

Like nearly everything the administration does, it is to sooth Trump's ego. His feelings were hurt by news getting out that he hid in the bunker and he was embarrassed that protests were continuing outside the White House and none of his supporters turned up for 'Maga Night'.

Foxtrol

RIGOLO wrote: »

Like I said its a win win for Trump.

If he handles the riots well and they subside then he wins,
If the riots continue for much longer and get closer to the DNC or GOP conventions then most certainly American middle of the road voters will lean towards Trump.

I dont make the rules, but this is how the game is played.

Once more the Democrats and main streamn media are fueling the fires that will get TRump elected. They have been race-baiting the populace for 4 years . They are the ones increaing race tensions and have done nothing to contain them . Come November voters will decide if they want Joe Biden who has come out and said the police were heavy handed in dealing with rioters, or vote for Trump who said the police need to get tougher with the rioters and protect property, livelihoods and jobs.

You have failed repeatedly to give any justification for why people would vote for an arsonist to put out the fire.

As for Biden, he has images like this that the world are seeing to back up his comments about the police and due to Trump stupidly deciding he wants to try to look like a strongman Biden can also demand for rioting/looting to stop and calling for unity.

https://twitter.com/richardgrant88/status/1267523353289474048?s=20

RIGOLO

Foxtrol wrote: »

You have failed repeatedly to give any justification for why people would vote for an arsonist to put out the fire.

As for Biden, he has images like this that the world are seeing to back up his comments about the police and due to Trump stupidly deciding he wants to try to look like a strongman Biden can also demand for rioting/looting to stop and calling for unity.

https://twitter.com/richardgrant88/status/1267523353289474048?s=20

You think Trump a Republican is the arsonist for an event (Mr Floyds death) in a Democrat city , in a Democrat state (since 1932), with a Democrat Senator , Democrat House Rep, Democrat mayor, Democrat AG, Democrat Police Chief.

I cant counter that logic.

Leroy42

RIGOLO wrote: »

You think Trump a Republican is the arsonist for an event (Mr Floyds death) in a Democrat city , in a Democrat state (since 1932), with a Democrat Senator , Democrat House Rep, Democrat mayor, Democrat AG, Democrat Police Chief.

I cant counter that logic.

You are of the opinion that race tensions, even riots, actually benefit the GOP.

Are we then supposed to believe that Trump, like you, doesn't see this as a win win. Stoke tensions, drive the military onto the streets, rile up the protesters all so he can look the tough guy.

Given that Covid is a disaster, his economy is in the toilet, he needed something. This is the spark

So race tensions are good but they wouldn't use them? That is what you are trying to suggest. That a man as politically savvy as Trump, that has used attacks and divisions as his main weapon, is somehow against using this to his advantage.

If you believe that it is win win, then you must also accept that Trump is actively working on that very strategy

hotmail.com

RIGOLO wrote: »

Like I said its a win win for Trump.

If he handles the riots well and they subside then he wins,
If the riots continue for much longer and get closer to the DNC or GOP conventions then most certainly American middle of the road voters will lean towards Trump.

I dont make the rules, but this is how the game is played.

Once more the Democrats and main streamn media are fueling the fires that will get TRump elected. They have been race-baiting the populace for 4 years . They are the ones increaing race tensions and have done nothing to contain them . Come November voters will decide if they want Joe Biden who has come out and said the police were heavy handed in dealing with rioters, or vote for Trump who said the police need to get tougher with the rioters and protect property, livelihoods and jobs.

If this was happening here, the party that ended the riots would receive popular acclaim.

There certainly is an issue with US media race baiting and personalising it with Trump. Cheap analysis with no historical context. The usual lazy race conversation that will quickly move to another story once they get bored of it. Meanwhile, the poor black Americans live on in their poverty and exclusion, something that neither party cares about.

Manic Moran

Foxtrol wrote: »

I'm not sure if you fall into that category but it is good to see the mask slip off the 'don't tread on me' folk, who have for years claimed they had some sort of moral code that they wanted to hold guns for fear of government overreach but now are supporting the government in attacks on peaceful protesters, mobilizing the army, and curfews.

It's not the peaceful protestors that they're thinking about. The government use of force against people who are causing mayhem and violence is not something with which they have a problem. There is no hypocrisy or dichotomy in this attitude. Nobody is 'treading on' these militias or just the conservative armed citizenry right now, because they aren't part of the immediate problem.

https://twitter.com/richardgrant88/s...289474048?s=20

A wonderful example of how an image can show something out of context. It looks like the cop's aiming a tear gas launcher right in the guy's face, right? Yet follow their eyes. They're actually looking off to the left, at something outside of camera frame.

That doesn't deny that it's an impactful photograph, but it's impactful for how it's commonly interpreted, not for what it's actually showing.