Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

everlast75

Here's hoping this happens.

I would *not* put it pass judge Jackson. She takes no sh1t

https://twitter.com/ShannonFreshour/status/1227355289126567936?s=19

Timberrrrrrrr

aloyisious wrote: »

I take it to mean that there's been resistance from middle management lawyers to the top floor and the three resignees think its better to fight from outside with power rather than beat their heads against Barr's wall.

Hopefully they hold a press conference and give their side, saying that Trump would instantly go on the attack on twitter putting their lives at risk

Leroy42

Cody montana wrote: »

And here comes the next scandal.

What Trump is proving, beyond any doubt, is that the much vaunted checks and balances are worthless.

The only thing holding Trump back is himself. A smarter, more charismatic, more polished person would do even more damage.

EltonJohn69

Congress gave Trump the nod that he can do whatever he wants now and get away it. Barr and McConnell are there to facilitate that....

volchitsa

Leroy42 wrote: »

What Trump is proving, beyond any doubt, is that the much vaunted checks and balances are worthless.

The only thing holding Trump back is himself. A smarter, more charismatic, more polished person would do even more damage.

Trump broke the barrier down though. Problem now is, who comes next?

Leroy42

4 have now resigned, the ones who put forward the original sentence recommendation

Cody montana

Leroy42 wrote: »

What Trump is proving, beyond any doubt, is that the much vaunted checks and balances are worthless.

The only thing holding Trump back is himself. A smarter, more charismatic, more polished person would do even more damage.

Draining the swamp indeed.

Cody montana

Leroy42 wrote: »

4 have now resigned, the ones who put forward the original sentence recommendation

So all of them.
What does this mean now?

valoren

Instead of over ruling sentences you'd think the DOJ would investigate the Democrats because per Trump the actual crimes are in the "other side". Utter base baiting BS slander from Trump.

Leroy42

Cody montana wrote: »

So all of them.
What does this mean now?

Not a lot really, apart from hand wringing from CNN and DNC and any one who supports the rule of all.

The GOP and Trump supporters will be unmoved and nothing negative to say.

TomOnBoard

Cody montana wrote: »

So all of them.
What does this mean now?

All 4 have resigned from the case... Only 2 have resigned as Assistant US attorneys...

aloyisious

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Hopefully they hold a press conference and give their side, saying that Trump would instantly go on the attack on twitter putting their lives at risk

The 2nd resigning his position in open court was a hell of a statement to the US justice system, more than fair play to him.

pixelburp

So can't recall who said it, but it was a comment that if Trump was the president of some ex Soviet country - one of the shítholes so to speak - we'd all have a good chuckle at how backwards and regressive the country was. That instead some might dash to the defence of the openly vulgar.

I feel the same comment applies here, with the Stone farce. Blatant overreach by a president that drifts towards the behaviours of a shíthole country, one with skant regard for due process and a keenness to protect political stooges. It's the Grifter Presidency for sure.

aloyisious

It seems there were arguments made for and against the inviolability of the Presidential pardon not withstanding it being in the constitution. Some legal eagles argue that in cases where the president abuses the pardon power to the point of impeachment and removal from office, the USSC could set aside the pardon on conviction of said president.

A kicker is that by ACCEPTING the offer of a presidential pardon, the person pardoned has made a de facto statement in respect of the federal offence he/she was charged with.

Given what's happened, it might be worth watching the office-holders in the SDNY.

Itssoeasy

With our own general election I took a break from bizarro world the other side of the Atlantic but this is just nuts carry on and I wonder does Susan Collins feel that president trump has learnt his lesson ? The republicans in the senate bar mitt Romney are indirectly to blame for this as they gave trump the nod to basically act however he wants to.

I mean the firing of Lt col Vindman and his brother showed he feels invincible. I mean yes after Vindman testified the situation of him working in the White House was on borrowed time but is his twin brothers only crime being his brother ? Also the defense secretary's word mean sweat **** all clearly. He was on the record and it was out in writing that Lt col Vindman would not face retribution for testifying.

Itssoeasy

aloyisious wrote: »

It seems there were arguments made for and against the inviolability of the Presidential pardon not withstanding it being in the constitution. Some legal eagles argue that in cases where the president abuses the pardon power to the point of impeachment and removal from office, the USSC could set aside the pardon on conviction of said president.

A kicker is that by ACCEPTING the offer of a presidential pardon, the person pardoned has made a de facto statement in respect of the federal offence he/she was charged with.

Given what's happened, it might be worth watching the office-holders in the SDNY.

What you think they may be soon be former members of the SDNY if trump has his way ?

TomOnBoard

Early indicators are showing that Biden and Warren are not doing so well in New Hampshire. Klobuchar seems to be doing a good bit better than in Iowa. It could be Klobuchar will come out on top even ahead of Sanders and Buttigieg....

Itssoeasy

Trump seems to want the military to look into further discipline for Lt col Vindman. America is starting to lose that democratic look with this kind of carry on. Even Nixon wasn't this bad and he's the only US president to ever resign from office.

aloyisious

Itssoeasy wrote: »

What you think they may be soon be former members of the SDNY if trump has his way ?

The leaving rate of prosecutors from that particular unit seems to be high. It's involved in a few of the investigations and prosecutions related to Don Trumps acquaintances & legal people. I can't recall the full name of one prosecutor who was dismissed [I think it included the family name Patel] from the SDNY unit. I've seen him as a commentator on CNN in respect to what's being going on within the Admin and the media interest in it's activities.

aloyisious

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Early indicators are showing that Biden and Warren are not doing so well in New Hampshire. Klobuchar seems to be doing a good bit better than in Iowa. It could be Klobuchar will come out on top even ahead of Sanders and Buttigieg....

It was on RTE's radio news 6-ish that Bernie had cancelled out of a planned rally and headed off to New Hampshire. Edit: I cant find any confirmation of the RTE report on other media sources.

aloyisious

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Trump seems to want the military to look into further discipline for Lt col Vindman. America is starting to lose that democratic look with this kind of carry on. Even Nixon wasn't this bad and he's the only US president to ever resign from office.

He might go too far. The news of Lt Col Vindman's sacking and escort from the W/H was revealed by his personal lawyer. It might even attract the attention of civil liberty union people minded to defend the constitutional rights of those who forego them to X degree in the service of their country.

Water John

It was Biden left early.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227408775855976449?s=19

Trump is now attacking the judge presiding over stone's case!?!

Where the **** is the chastened president?

everlast75

F*** it - sure why not attack the persecutors too

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227423392078409728?s=19

9 months left til the vote.

He's ready to burn the place to the ground to make sure he doesn't leave

everlast75

everlast75 wrote: »

F*** it - sure why not attack the persecutors too

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1227423392078409728?s=19

9 months left til the vote.

He's ready to burn the place to the ground to make sure he doesn't leave

I'm starting to think that Bill Maher is right when he says that if Trump loses the election he will not leave.

EltonJohn69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm starting to think that Bill Maher is right when he says that if Trump loses the election he will not leave.

I think Michael Moore said the same thing... or maybe there won’t be an election due to some crisis ? After the failed impeachment he has a free pass to do whatever ever he wants, if he gets a second term then he will really stop playing by any rules.... also there is no way he will take part in the debates, he has nothing to gain, will do rally’s instead

pixelburp

A second term will act as an effective ideological rubber stamp for all of Trump's extra judicial behaviour; it'll be read as a public approval for the dismantling of the agreed checks & boundaries within the country's laws. It just goes to show that the "gentleman's agreement" of standards and behaviour within most democratic governments, those nods that act as the bulwark against authoritarianism, are incredibly thin. It only requires one person to say "no", and the whole system of fairness comes crashing down. Especially when partisan politics and the party whip ensure those with conscience are made pariahs (witness the likes of Jeanine Pirro eviscerating Mitt Romney in voting for impeachment).

I know there are some users who float about, cocking eyebrows at how incensed and emotional Irish people get over the US presidency, but the reality is that an America that slides into a functional dictatorship will be an incredibly dangerous, adversarial presence on the world stage. Ireland & the EU won't be in a better place if Trump's America goes full banana republic.

Would also agree that Trump losing in November is not a guarantee that he leaves, especially if the result is close; there may be some nasty political violence led by Trump. Remember - he wouldn't publicly commit to accepting the result had he lost in 2016. He himmed, hawed and even when won, still threw out conspiracy theories and opened kangaroo investigations over his Popular Vote defeat.

Thargor

The Democrats are doing themselves no favours right now either, how can 50% of a country like the US produce such useless candidates? I hope Bloomberg gets it just for the entertainment value, Trump probably has it won already.

Billy Mays

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm starting to think that Bill Maher is right when he says that if Trump loses the election he will not leave.

Not a chance he'll leave willingly if he's beaten in November. He's never accepted defeat before, he's not going to start now. He'll blame it on voter fraud or the like but no way he'll just put his hands up and accept he was defeated fairly and squarely.

The cultists will lap it up, still make excuses for him and somehow find a way to defend their daddy.

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

1 out of 10. Try harder.

Oh and btw, an inanimate carbon rod would be a better president than 45. Whoever the nominee is the entire Dem party will be 100% behind them.

It's not ideal though is it? They shouldn't be simply trying to be less bad than Trump, surely they can find someone to bring the country forward.

And 2016 showed that DNC can indeed split itself. Many Dems didn't like HC and didn't vote for her.

Hopefully they learned their lesson but I wouldn't count on it