Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

Igotadose

Here's the statement from the 1000 former DOJ employees: https://medium.com/@dojalumni/doj-alumni-statement-on-the-events-surrounding-the-sentencing-of-roger-stone-c2cb75ae4937

And it's just Sunday.

Professor Moriarty

Igotadose wrote: »

Here's the statement from the 1000 former DOJ employees: https://medium.com/@dojalumni/doj-alumni-statement-on-the-events-surrounding-the-sentencing-of-roger-stone-c2cb75ae4937

And it's just Sunday.

Some heavey hitters there. Kind of hard to insult 1,000 people by tweet but we'll see.

Itssoeasy

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Some heavey hitters there. Kind of hard to insult 1,000 people by tweet but we'll see.

I mean the phrase "go big or go home" comes to mind here prof. I mean Donald trump has shown little to no understanding or willingness to understand the boundaries that exist and why he can't do what he did in the roger stone case despite his false assertion that he has the right to interfere like he did. Donald trumps perception thankfully unlike the phrase won't become reality because as we've seen trump lives in an alternate reality of his own creation.

Timberrrrrrrr

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Some heavey hitters there. Kind of hard to insult 1,000 people by tweet but we'll see.

You just know he will though!

aloyisious

To be the US Attorney General, you have to be a qualified lawyer as the job is part advisor as well as representation. In that regard, how does what Mike Barr has done so far act as protection for a convicted person found guilty by jury in federal court because the guilty person is a supporter of the president? How far should that be grounds for him to lose his job [because he's compromised the office of AG] and his lawyers licence?

Kermit.de.frog

peddlelies wrote: »

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

Quite the fall from grace. Always thought he was dodge.

This aged well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjOEbvdDc8

everlast75

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Quite the fall from grace. Always thought he was dodge.

This aged well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjOEbvdDc8

Avenatti - proving that attempted extortion is a crime....

Got that, Trump supporters???

Leroy42

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Quite the fall from grace. Always thought he was dodge.

This aged well!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjOEbvdDc8

I'm curious. Surely you this as just another example of a rigged justice and court system. How does one know when certain cases are because of institutional corruption and ones like this are proof that the system works?

I'm sure Trump has a keen insight into it and will be asking Barr to personally intervene to ensure those out of control prosecutors don't ask for too much time.

Stallingrad

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Quite the fall from grace. Always thought he was dodge.

This aged well!

Like many at the time I was taken in by Avenatti, he seemed up for the fight. But Tucker was on the money, and Avenatti was just Trump light, without the family name or money to bankroll his ambitions.

serfboard

Igotadose wrote: »

Here's the statement from the 1000 former DOJ employees: https://medium.com/@dojalumni/doj-alumni-statement-on-the-events-surrounding-the-sentencing-of-roger-stone-c2cb75ae4937

The key paragraph:

DOJ Alumni wrote:

We welcome Attorney General Barr’s belated acknowledgment that the DOJ’s law enforcement decisions must be independent of politics; that it is wrong for the President to interfere in specific enforcement matters, either to punish his opponents or to help his friends; and that the President’s public comments on DOJ matters have gravely damaged the Department’s credibility. But Mr. Barr’s actions in doing the President’s personal bidding unfortunately speak louder than his words. Those actions, and the damage they have done to the Department of Justice’s reputation for integrity and the rule of law, require Mr. Barr to resign. But because we have little expectation he will do so, it falls to the Department’s career officials to take appropriate action to uphold their oaths of office and defend nonpartisan, apolitical justice.

serfboard

Leroy42 wrote: »

How does one know when certain cases are because of institutional corruption and ones like this are proof that the system works?

You're useless at playing this game!

Those in your tribe facing long jail terms are victims of institutional corruption - those in the other tribe facing the same thing are proof that the system works.

It's really not that hard to figure out!

aloyisious

peddlelies wrote: »

Avenatti found guilty of extorting Nike and more fraud charges coming on top of it, guy will spend the foreseeable future in jail.

Any word on whether the other fraud charges are related to monies he took from clients accounts, including from the payments made to one woman [Stormy Daniels] by one of Dons personal lawyers acting on Dons behalf? Any word on that personal lawyers present position?

serfboard

aloyisious wrote: »

Any word on whether the other fraud charges are related to monies he took from clients accounts, including from the payments made to one woman [Stormy Daniels] by one of Dons personal lawyers acting on Dons behalf? Any word on that personal lawyers present position?

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cohen took an action against Avenatti looking for Stormy Daniels money?

You know, like the time Fianna Fail took an action against Padraig Flynn looking for their 50 grand? (Hint: They didn't).

aloyisious

serfboard wrote: »

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Cohen took an action against Avenatti looking for Stormy Daniels money?

You know, like the time Fianna Fail took an action against Padraig Flynn looking for their 50 grand? (Hint: They didn't).

Naw, not a hope. He was disbarred for lying to congress. I can't say Don would be too happy with tales from the past being resurrected by people from his base as they involve things he denied ever happened, ever though he's probably happy to see Michael Avenatti going to jail.

amandstu

Is Avenatti an example of the corruption of communal discourse by
Trump?

Was his profile raised because people saw him as able to dish it out to Trump?

Are people's attention spans so small that this aspect of public argumentation is now valued above considered argumentation?

Are we all "teenagers" now? ( No disrespect to teenagers of course ...)

aloyisious

amandstu wrote: »

Is Avenatti an example of the corruption of communal discourse by
Trump?

Was his profile raised because people saw him as able to dish it out to Trump?

Are people's attention spans so small that this aspect of public argumentation is now valued above considered argumentation?

Probably an aspect of how a particular version of TV media production is viewed by the watching public as popular and skews their logic system. Teenagers and Lisa Simpson would probably cringe...

Penn

Igotadose wrote: »

Here's the statement from the 1000 former DOJ employees: https://medium.com/@dojalumni/doj-alumni-statement-on-the-events-surrounding-the-sentencing-of-roger-stone-c2cb75ae4937

And it's just Sunday.

Think it's up to 2,000 signatories now.

Call Me Jimmy

What's the latest on Lev Parnas? Was the dirt he had on trump the recorded conversation about trump wanting the ambassador gone or has he revealed anything else? Haven't heard anything in a while.

aloyisious

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

What's the latest on Lev Parnas? Was the dirt he had on trump the recorded conversation about trump wanting the ambassador gone or has he revealed anything else? Haven't heard anything in a while.

Check out today's [Monday] Washington Examiner.

According to it, Federal prosecutors are considering filing new charges against indicted Rudy Giuliani associate Lev Parnas for suspected crimes related to his Florida fraud insurance business. The U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York is weighing charging Parnas and his business associate, David Correia, with misleading investors in his company Fraud Guarantee, according to CNN. Sources told the outlet that prosecutors think the men co-founded the organization to sell fraud insurance to companies.

Parnas’s company also has ties to Giuliani, President Trump’s personal attorney. Fraud Guarantee paid Giuliani $500,000, according to people familiar with the investigation. The payment came around the same time that Parnas and his associate Igor Fruman started helping Giuliani arrange meetings in Ukraine to dig up dirt on Joe Biden. An attorney for Giuliani said the lawyer never played a role in marketing the company to potential investors for Parnas.

The FBI is working with federal prosecutors to investigate the company and has interviewed investors in the organization and obtained text messages and other documents related to Parnas and his business partner’s activities. Parnas, Correia, and two other associates are already charged with violating campaign finance laws for allegedly attempting to funnel foreign money into U.S. elections. The trial is set for early October. Prosecutors did not specify a timeline for when new charges may be brought, nor did they say what the charges may be.

JoeFritzl

For all the hate he gets, I can't see Trump not winning this next election. You can put it down to a lack of quality Democratic candidates or the actual progress Trump has made (be it of his own merit or not). He's definitely sorted out the issues which matter to a lot of people in the constituencies which voted him in last time, and I think a lot of people will be swaying in his favor this time around as the alternate candidates are terrible and Trump hasn't started a war yet as feared, so he's obviously not as bad as a lot of people made him out to be.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing another term, he's made things interesting and has solved tensions with NK and honestly, some might disagree, but I think he handled the Iran situation better than Obama would have - In that he has stopped letting them walk all over other countries in that area and has perhaps set up lines of communication for a new potential nuclear deal which will serve America better.

peddlelies

everlast75 wrote: »

Avenatti - proving that attempted extortion is a crime....

Got that, Trump supporters???

A certain irony in those question marks, given you blindly worshiped a scumbag like Avenatti for so long. Spot on with your predictions as always, everlast.

everlast75

peddlelies wrote: »

A certain irony in those question marks, given you blindly worshiped a scumbag like Avenatti for so long. Spot on with your predictions as always, everlast.

When the facts change, my opinion changes.
Plenty of people at the time liked the fact that he took the fight thi Trump and his cronies.

Oh, and weren't you a big fan of trump btw? Waaaay past the point most people saw right through him IIRC?

everlast75

In addition to the prosecutors, up to over 2000 now - the judges are taking issue.

https://twitter.com/harrylitman/status/1229553285972942850?s=19

Tremendous pressure on Barr now.... that's if he gives two sh1ts I suppose

duploelabs

everlast75 wrote: »

In addition to the prosecutors, up to over 2000 now - the judges are taking issue.

https://twitter.com/harrylitman/status/1229553285972942850?s=19

Tremendous pressure on Barr now.... that's if he gives two sh1ts I suppose

Rachel Maddow last night was wondering when 'the hill to die on' will present itself for the Trump/Barr cartel, and she supposes with the Deutche Bank tax returns subpoena. When she spells it out and stacks up the evidence of the dodgy dealings that are out there on with Russian money. Like the wire, it's where the money goes is the most interesting

EltonJohn69

everlast75 wrote: »

In addition to the prosecutors, up to over 2000 now - the judges are taking issue.

https://twitter.com/harrylitman/status/1229553285972942850?s=19

Tremendous pressure on Barr now.... that's if he gives two sh1ts I suppose

Barr is the king of chill... doesn’t feel any pressure...once Trump wins 2020... then we will see Barr really flex..

Leroy42

JoeFritzl wrote: »

For all the hate he gets, I can't see Trump not winning this next election. You can put it down to a lack of quality Democratic candidates or the actual progress Trump has made (be it of his own merit or not). He's definitely sorted out the issues which matter to a lot of people in the constituencies which voted him in last time, and I think a lot of people will be swaying in his favor this time around as the alternate candidates are terrible and Trump hasn't started a war yet as feared, so he's obviously not as bad as a lot of people made him out to be.

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing another term, he's made things interesting and has solved tensions with NK and honestly, some might disagree, but I think he handled the Iran situation better than Obama would have - In that he has stopped letting them walk all over other countries in that area and has perhaps set up lines of communication for a new potential nuclear deal which will serve America better.

Has he made things better? In the short term, yes I think that maybe he has, but it is obvious to anyone that Trump is leading the US to a far worse place. Debt is spiralling, he has taken an axe to the tax receipts. He has created tensions with China, EU, Mexico, Canada well everyone really. And whilst it may appear that there is no cost to that, there will come a time when the US needs allies, as they have in the past.

He has crippled regulations, with which will, and we know as we already saw the effects of not having the regulations, have bad effects on the environment in things like water cleanliness etc.

He is doing very little to deal with the massive inequalities within the US. He has, if anything, put education back. He has done nothing on the cost of education or student debt. He has done nothing to help with the massive issue of medical costs and the lack of coverage that so many people suffer.

He has done nothing to combat the massive issue of gun violence and deaths. He has done nothing to increase voter participation. He has done nothing to reduce foreign interference. He has done nothing to curb the corruption in politics, in fact he has demanded loyalty and given jobs and endorsements on the basis of who supports him, that is very much corruption.

He has done nothing to try to refocus on the US on the new technologies, such as solar and other green energies. He is doing nothing to reduce the US dependance on fossil fuels, he is happy to lounge in the feeling that the US has enough reserves.

He has done nothing to advance minority rights, women's rights, move the debate on abortion, LGBT rights and lots of other issues.

The tensions with the NK are entirely down to NK, he has nothing to do with it. They got their bomb, and got Trump to legitimise them. What did Trump do to stop them doing anything? It was a policy of the US that NK would never be allowed have the bomb, he was the POTUS that when it actually happened he did nothing at all, well except invite them for a press conference.

Trump is a short term fixer, like most con men. He will make you think things are better, when in fact it is you paying for it all and the cost far exceeds what you were promised.

serfboard

Leroy42 wrote: »

He has done nothing to increase voter participation.

Not only does he not want to increase voter participation, the Republicans have, for a couple of decades now, tried to reduce voter participation, through all sorts of nefarious means, from scrubbing registration lists, to misinforming people in poor areas of the actual vote date, to removing the vote from convicted prisoners which hugely discriminates against black people etc. etc. And the reason they do this is because it's the only way they can win.

I linked this article a few months back which explains the deepening crisis of conservatism:

The Guardian wrote:

conservative administrations have tried to tilt the electoral process against left-leaning social groups such as the young, the transient and recent immigrants. Registering to vote and voting itself have been made more difficult, with more documents required, despite little evidence of electoral fraud.

Conservative parties retain their legendary will to win, but winning seems a greater and greater strain, and is being achieved by less and less inspiring means. “What does it say about us as Conservatives,” asks Cooper, “if our only hope for the next generation of voters is that they don’t vote?”

RIGOLO

Leroy42 wrote: »

Has he made things better? In the short term, yes I think that maybe he has, but it is obvious to anyone that Trump is leading the US to a far worse place. Debt is spiralling, he has taken an axe to the tax receipts. He has created tensions with China, EU, Mexico, Canada well everyone really. And whilst it may appear that there is no cost to that, there will come a time when the US needs allies, as they have in the past.

He has crippled regulations, with which will, and we know as we already saw the effects of not having the regulations, have bad effects on the environment in things like water cleanliness etc.

He is doing very little to deal with the massive inequalities within the US. He has, if anything, put education back. He has done nothing on the cost of education or student debt. He has done nothing to help with the massive issue of medical costs and the lack of coverage that so many people suffer.

He has done nothing to combat the massive issue of gun violence and deaths. He has done nothing to increase voter participation. He has done nothing to reduce foreign interference. He has done nothing to curb the corruption in politics, in fact he has demanded loyalty and given jobs and endorsements on the basis of who supports him, that is very much corruption.

He has done nothing to try to refocus on the US on the new technologies, such as solar and other green energies. He is doing nothing to reduce the US dependance on fossil fuels, he is happy to lounge in the feeling that the US has enough reserves.

He has done nothing to advance minority rights, women's rights, move the debate on abortion, LGBT rights and lots of other issues.

The tensions with the NK are entirely down to NK, he has nothing to do with it. They got their bomb, and got Trump to legitimise them. What did Trump do to stop them doing anything? It was a policy of the US that NK would never be allowed have the bomb, he was the POTUS that when it actually happened he did nothing at all, well except invite them for a press conference.

Trump is a short term fixer, like most con men. He will make you think things are better, when in fact it is you paying for it all and the cost far exceeds what you were promised.

Your points are just opinion that have no bearing in the reality of what has actually happened under the Trump administration as born out by the facts and the numbers.

Women have made up over 70% of new jobs in America. Women have recovered 70% of the decline in their participation rate from 2000 to 2015.
If you ask me thats doing ALOT for Women

Launching Space Force, return to the Moon, Made In America program , The 2017 Trump Executive order for improved Apprenticeship program, clampdown on China IP theft, rejection of non-US 5G technology, driving US companies to have US based/friendly supply chains ... just some of the many measures made to advance US technology

Debt is spiraling cos Obama spent 9Trillion getting 2% GDP, Trump has spent 1trillion getting over 3%. As soon as the non-discretionary spending controls they want kick in in the second term, things will balance a bit better. And now that the Fed is playing ball also.

Improved Tax credits for working people with children, increasing their allowance, and more importantly making it a refundable tax credit.

Tensions with China , have resulted in a more balanced US-China Trade Deficit it fell by over 50billion in 2019 and thats even with Boeings woes.

Tensions with Canada, not a problem, the USMCA Trade deal announced and signed

He undid crippling regulations - thats why buisness is booming . New Regulations were growing by some measures at 8% a year. Trumps EO that for every one new regulation, 3 had to be removed was instrumental in this.

Support for minority communities, well jobs are exploding in that demographic , you can goggle The Young Black Leadership Summit at White House, they seem happy.

The IEA announced that CO2 emmissions for the US were down in 2019 . Thats the international energy Agency The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt. US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period.

north Korea - They had 4 nuclear tests during OBAMAs reign and we had no summits, going from 5 to 25 kiloton.
Under Trump they had one , but have had 3-4 summits. Thats progress.
The list goes on and on ..

What Trump has done is a long term legacy that the Democrats and the left can never take away from him and his administration. The histroy has already been written on it, its too late. Its over Trump won round 1, lets see if the Dems can take Round 2 with Bernie Sanders .

kilns

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your points are just opinion that have no bearing in the reality of what has actually happened under the Trump administration as born out by the facts and the numbers.

Women have made up over 70% of new jobs in America. Women have recovered 70% of the decline in their participation rate from 2000 to 2015.
If you ask me thats doing ALOT for Women

Launching Space Force, return to the Moon, Made In America program , The 2017 Trump Executive order for improved Apprenticeship program, clampdown on China IP theft, rejection of non-US 5G technology, driving US companies to have US based/friendly supply chains ... just some of the many measures made to advance US technology

Debt is spiraling cos Obama spent 9Trillion getting 2% GDP, Trump has spent 1trillion getting over 3%. As soon as the non-discretionary spending controls they want kick in in the second term, things will balance a bit better. And now that the Fed is playing ball also.

Improved Tax credits for working people with children, increasing their allowance, and more importantly making it a refundable tax credit.

Tensions with China , have resulted in a more balanced US-China Trade Deficit it fell by over 50billion in 2019 and thats even with Boeings woes.

Tensions with Canada, not a problem, the USMCA Trade deal announced and signed

He undid crippling regulations - thats why buisness is booming . New Regulations were growing by some measures at 8% a year. Trumps EO that for every one new regulation, 3 had to be removed was instrumental in this.

Support for minority communities, well jobs are exploding in that demographic , you can goggle The Young Black Leadership Summit at White House, they seem happy.

The IEA announced that CO2 emmissions for the US were down in 2019 . Thats the international energy Agency The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt. US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period.

north Korea - They had 4 nuclear tests during OBAMAs reign and we had no summits, going from 5 to 25 kiloton.
Under Trump they had one , but have had 3-4 summits. Thats progress.
The list goes on and on ..


What Trump has done is a long term legacy that the Democrats and the left can never take away from him and his administration. The histroy has already been written on it, its too late. Its over Trump won round 1, lets see if the Dems can take Round 2 with Bernie Sanders .

The only long term legacy Trump has left the US with is a divided nation with huge debt (which he claimed he would eliminate) that generations will have to pay back

Cody montana

RIGOLO wrote: »

Your points are just opinion that have no bearing in the reality of what has actually happened under the Trump administration as born out by the facts and the numbers.

Women have made up over 70% of new jobs in America. Women have recovered 70% of the decline in their participation rate from 2000 to 2015.
If you ask me thats doing ALOT for Women

Launching Space Force, return to the Moon, Made In America program , The 2017 Trump Executive order for improved Apprenticeship program, clampdown on China IP theft, rejection of non-US 5G technology, driving US companies to have US based/friendly supply chains ... just some of the many measures made to advance US technology

Debt is spiraling cos Obama spent 9Trillion getting 2% GDP, Trump has spent 1trillion getting over 3%. As soon as the non-discretionary spending controls they want kick in in the second term, things will balance a bit better. And now that the Fed is playing ball also.

Improved Tax credits for working people with children, increasing their allowance, and more importantly making it a refundable tax credit.

Tensions with China , have resulted in a more balanced US-China Trade Deficit it fell by over 50billion in 2019 and thats even with Boeings woes.

Tensions with Canada, not a problem, the USMCA Trade deal announced and signed

He undid crippling regulations - thats why buisness is booming . New Regulations were growing by some measures at 8% a year. Trumps EO that for every one new regulation, 3 had to be removed was instrumental in this.

Support for minority communities, well jobs are exploding in that demographic , you can goggle The Young Black Leadership Summit at White House, they seem happy.

The IEA announced that CO2 emmissions for the US were down in 2019 . Thats the international energy Agency The United States saw the largest decline in energy-related CO2 emissions in 2019 on a country basis – a fall of 140 Mt, or 2.9%, to 4.8 Gt. US emissions are now down almost 1 Gt from their peak in the year 2000, the largest absolute decline by any country over that period.

north Korea - They had 4 nuclear tests during OBAMAs reign and we had no summits, going from 5 to 25 kiloton.
Under Trump they had one , but have had 3-4 summits. Thats progress.
The list goes on and on ..

What Trump has done is a long term legacy that the Democrats and the left can never take away from him and his administration. The histroy has already been written on it, its too late. Its over Trump won round 1, lets see if the Dems can take Round 2 with Bernie Sanders .

History has indeed been written.
He got impeached.