Donald Trump Presidency discussion Thread VII (threadbanned users listed in OP)

BonnieSituation

pixelburp wrote: »

Wonder when or if this all properly goes sideways , will it be the final straw that breaks the back of the Trump-Pence relationship - one that has weathered the storm of Trump's mood swings and rotating door administration. If Pence is thrown to the wolves, I can't see the VP just sitting and taking it, not unless he's promised something in the background to take it on the chin. Is there even historical precedent of a VP switch, barring health issues?

Only one I remember was the Hoynes changeover after his affair was made public. But he went of his own volition.

everlast75

Objectively, does anyone else think that if Trump resigned today, the markets would bounce back in spectacular fashion?

Nody

everlast75 wrote: »

Objectively, does anyone else think that if Trump resigned today, the markets would bounce back in spectacular fashion?

Seeing as it would be Pence taking over (the man in charge of the failure of the current action plan and believer in God over science) not really expecting a bounce from that no. But that's because option B is almost as bad as option A is. If there was an option C of a competent committee in Congress or similar who actually got the power (and brains) to execute what was needed to be done and the money to back up said plan, yes I'd expect a bounce back but still a medium term decline due to the effects in general. The problem is lack of credible leadership in handling it; does not matter if it is Trump or Pence or a Trump yes man in charge because none of them are the right person for the job.

pixelburp

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Only one I remember was the Hoynes changeover after his affair was made public. But he went of his own volition.

Uhm, did you just reference the West Wing as a "real world" example of a VP switch during a Presidential term?

Leroy42

everlast75 wrote: »

Objectively, does anyone else think that if Trump resigned today, the markets would bounce back in spectacular fashion?

Not really. Trump is actively making the problem worse, but the problem exists regardless.

The markets have seen the massive fall in production in China, which leads to massive fall off in sales in US, which leads to reductions in revenue and all that brings.

Trump made it worse by making it out to be nothing, and the impact will probably be worse due to the slow nature of the response, but it was always going to have an impact.

Trump is not to blame for either the virus or the impacts. What he is to blame for is his lying, lack of credibility, lack of action, lack of resources, lack of leadership, lack of global effort.

TomOnBoard

pixelburp wrote: »

Wonder when or if this all properly goes sideways , will it be the final straw that breaks the back of the Trump-Pence relationship - one that has weathered the storm of Trump's mood swings and rotating door administration. If Pence is thrown to the wolves, I can't see the VP just sitting and taking it, not unless he's promised something in the background to take it on the chin. Is there even historical precedent of a VP switch, barring health issues?

Roosevelt had 3 VPs across 4 presidential terms.

hotmail.com

beggars_bush wrote: »

Crazy that he was calling US citizens 'consumers' yesterday

But he's right.

America is a vast consumer society. The consumerism has given rise to and contributed to their insular culture and general arrogance.

hotmail.com

pixelburp wrote: »

Wonder when or if this all properly goes sideways , will it be the final straw that breaks the back of the Trump-Pence relationship - one that has weathered the storm of Trump's mood swings and rotating door administration. If Pence is thrown to the wolves, I can't see the VP just sitting and taking it, not unless he's promised something in the background to take it on the chin. Is there even historical precedent of a VP switch, barring health issues?

In America I gather the Vice President is largely disregarded and lots of the population can't even name who the VP is.

So replacing or sacking Pence will garner the usual smoke and fire from media circles, but most of the American public won't be bothered.

Quin_Dub

beggars_bush wrote: »

Crazy that he was calling US citizens 'consumers' yesterday

hotmail.com wrote: »

But he's right.

America is a vast consumer society. The consumerism has given rise to and contributed to their insular culture and general arrogance.

The "Consumer" reference was used by Kushner , but as was pointed out by one of the speakers on the "Dirty Money" Netflix documentary - US Citizens are not the Presidents Consumers , they are the Presidents boss.

It might be viewed as a small semantic difference , but it's an important reflection of how people like Trump and Kushner view the office of President.

They view it like they view their businesses - Oligarchies and their own personal Fifedoms.

And each and every day they show that they hold the citizens of the US with just as much contempt as they have repeatedly been shown to hold customers of their companies.

Igotadose

pixelburp wrote: »

Is there even historical precedent of a VP switch, barring health issues?

Spiro Agnew jumps to mind.

StringerBell

Igotadose wrote: »

Spiro Agnew jumps to mind.

Great series on him by Maddow actually, called bagman

MadYaker

Wanderer78 wrote: »

His base don't care, they'd follow him to the moon, millions will still vote for him

Up until now I would have agreed with you, I never thought the mueller inquiry or impeachment or anything else would sink him but this is different.

Worst case scenario the USA is looking at a few million dead here and it’s too late for them to take major preventive action like we have at least tried to do. A few weeks ago he called it a democrat hoax. Now he did restrict flights early on and even though it made no difference he may point to that when the reality is the entire country should be on lockdown a week ago and they should be testing and contact tracing aggressively, neither is happening afaik.

Also the fact that every country is going to suffer will help his case somewhat. But I still think he’s done. The whole country is asleep tbh. The governor(?) from Ohio is the only person who seems to realise what’s happening.

hotmail.com

Quin_Dub wrote: »

The "Consumer" reference was used by Kushner , but as was pointed out by one of the speakers on the "Dirty Money" Netflix documentary - US Citizens are not the Presidents Consumers , they are the Presidents boss.

It might be viewed as a small semantic difference , but it's an important reflection of how people like Trump and Kushner view the office of President.

They view it like they view their businesses - Oligarchies and their own personal Fifedoms.

And each and every day they show that they hold the citizens of the US with just as much contempt as they have repeatedly been shown to hold customers of their companies.

I don't see it as seriously as that. It's just a Freudian slip exposing how Americans view themselves - as consumers.

The Trump's are America. They reflect America.

Quin_Dub

hotmail.com wrote: »

I don't see it as seriously as that. It's just a Freudian slip exposing how Americans view themselves - as consumers.

The Trump's are America. They reflect America.

It's not , they have used that term repeatedly - It's absolutely part of their mindset.

The US Public are customers to be sold to and to profit off.

The concept of Service for Service sake is utterly alien to them.

Runaways

And here he is finally waking up and trying to save his re-election

https://twitter.com/covidperspectiv/status/1239634309939511296?s=21

TomOnBoard

hotmail.com wrote: »

I don't see it as seriously as that. It's just a Freudian slip exposing how Americans view themselves - as consumers.

The Trump's are America. They reflect America.

This completely misses the context in which Kushner's use of the term 'consumer' was called out in the Dirty Money programme. The programme spent considerable time laying out in great detail how Kushner's real estate consumers had been and are being fleeced by the disgusting scumlord practises his companies use when dealing with his tenants. These practices are what keep Kushner going financially and support his appalling decision to buy 666 5th Avenue for a crazy amount. He is a vile landlord and hand has taken that vileness with him into his totally unqualified role as Trump's Consigliere. In that role he then referred to the American people as the President/Administration's consumers and the clear implication is that he sees the American people as being there for him and his cronies, just like his real estate consumers are there for him. In fact, they are NOT his consumers- they are his Bosses!

As for "The Trump's are America. They reflect America".... Thankfully, that is absolutely not true. They are however examples of the worst side of America- the grifting, racist, selfish, entitled, narcissistic, greedy white underbelly of the con artists and gangsters that prey upon 99% of the people whom they see as vassals whose role is to serve them! So, NO, they are NOT America and don't reflect the hundreds of millions of ordinary, hard-working people who ARE America!

Christy42

Runaways wrote: »

And here he is finally waking up and trying to save his re-election

https://twitter.com/covidperspectiv/status/1239634309939511296?s=21

Good news. Especially after David Nunes was encouraging everyone to go out and mingle earlier. Horrific behaviour from Nunes.

BonnieSituation

pixelburp wrote: »

Uhm, did you just reference the West Wing as a "real world" example of a VP switch during a Presidential term?

When an opportunity to reference the West Wing presents itself, one should always take it.

I periodically sneak them in here

rossie1977

Monumental days on Wallstreet for all the wrong reasons. Dow finishing down 3,000 points or losing almost 13% of its value in one day.

Runaways

BonnieSituation wrote: »

When an opportunity to reference the West Wing presents itself, one should always take it.

I periodically sneak them in here

Has your head had an arboreal encounter recently?


Never mind

RobertKK

That was far better from Trump, he seemed to be taking it serious at last.

everlast75

Runaways wrote: »

And here he is finally waking up and trying to save his re-election

https://twitter.com/covidperspectiv/status/1239634309939511296?s=21

To a narcissist, that must really really hurt.

Water John

The Stock Market woke him up. That's the only language he listens to.

Hande hoche!

RobertKK wrote: »

That was far better from Trump, he seemed to be taking it serious at last.

Yeah,think he gets that his legacy rests on their response. First time in a while I have heard complement the media.

Nody

rossie1977 wrote: »

Monumental days on Wallstreet for all the wrong reasons. Dow finishing down 3,000 points or losing almost 13% of its value in one day.

And the biggest fall happened during Trump's press conference; that alone should answer the question above if Trump would leave today if the stock market would jump up or not.

Btw; here's the fun numbers since we all know Trump like the best numbers.

DOW when Trump became president: 19,827.25
DOW as of right now: 20 188,52

At this rate he'll go negative tomorrow which could trigger some interesting tweeting to say the least.

Aidric

Nody wrote: »

And the biggest fall happened during Trump's press conference; that alone should answer the question above if Trump would leave today if the stock market would jump up or not.

Btw; here's the fun numbers since we all know Trump like the best numbers.

DOW when Trump became president: 19,827.25
DOW as of right now: 20 188,52

At this rate he'll go negative tomorrow which could trigger some interesting tweeting to say the least.

He'll blame Obama obviously.

Leroy42

It was certainly a different tone and a very different message today from Trump. No more bluff about it being under control, it being done in a matter of weeks.

He even mentioned that he had discussed it with Barron and said it was bad.

Of course he will get kudos from the likes of Fox and some supporters on here for finally doing the right thing, but in all honesty he has little choice. The markets were tanking, the states were taking their own actions, and he has being made more and more irrelevant with each passing day.

eire4

TomOnBoard wrote: »

This completely misses the context in which Kushner's use of the term 'consumer' was called out in the Dirty Money programme. The programme spent considerable time laying out in great detail how Kushner's real estate consumers had been and are being fleeced by the disgusting scumlord practises his companies use when dealing with his tenants. These practices are what keep Kushner going financially and support his appalling decision to buy 666 5th Avenue for a crazy amount. He is a vile landlord and hand has taken that vileness with him into his totally unqualified role as Trump's Consigliere. In that role he then referred to the American people as the President/Administration's consumers and the clear implication is that he sees the American people as being there for him and his cronies, just like his real estate consumers are there for him. In fact, they are NOT his consumers- they are his Bosses!

As for "The Trump's are America. They reflect America".... Thankfully, that is absolutely not true. They are however examples of the worst side of America- the grifting, racist, selfish, entitled, narcissistic, greedy white underbelly of the con artists and gangsters that prey upon 99% of the people whom they see as vassals whose role is to serve them! So, NO, they are NOT America and don't reflect the hundreds of millions of ordinary, hard-working people who ARE America!

No it thankfully is not true that they reflect America in general but it does have to be said though that they do reflect about 30% of America a minority yes but a very big minority sadly all the same.

aloyisious

Its the first mention that the pass away of the outbreak will be around July or August at the earliest. Plus the mention that this will be part of planning for future events. Don also successfully evaded questions from 3 reporters targeting quotes he made about the virus and its control by quickstep deflection and without claiming the questions were disgusting. The new advice directives, if that's what they are, show the Virus Admin team are stepping up their operation. With all the production of anti-virus devices going up as well, its the actual delivery to sites that'll count now. That has to be an all important factor now, and hopefully the Military [Air Force and Army Logistics - regular and N/G units] can play a major role here.

Thargor

Wonder if Donald will be sending out signed pictures of the biggest daily points drop in DOW history like he did on Friday?