Ukranian Airlines Flight PS752 Crash (See mod note/warning in post 270)

Some climb down considerably prior rhetoric. Evidence must have been overwhelming. Small attempt to partially blame US for 'creating' the tension that led to the error.

They admit it and apologise. Surprised it came so soon, or at all really. Also, the site wasn't being bulldozed according to Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/UKRintheUSA/status/1215724832228356097

Nijmegen

Interesting considering their UK ambassador was shouting at a Sky News journalist for suggesting it only yesterday. They obviously had a good think about how untenable the party line had become.

Fault ultimately lays with whoever was making the operational decisions. They went to high alert because they were shooting missiles into another country but didn’t stop civilian air traffic.

Hopefully now the families of Iranians aren’t pressured to drop any lawsuits. A lot of them being abroad should hopefully help them to get the kind of compensation Iran insisted on in the past for a case like this. It won’t bring their loved ones back but it will at least be some measure of justice.

Letwin_Larry

Nijmegen wrote: »

Interesting considering their UK ambassador was shouting at a Sky News journalist for suggesting it only yesterday. They obviously had a good think about how untenable the party line had become.

Fault ultimately lays with whoever was making the operational decisions. They went to high alert because they were shooting missiles into another country but didn’t stop civilian air traffic.

Hopefully now the families of Iranians aren’t pressured to drop any lawsuits. A lot of them being abroad should hopefully help them to get the kind of compensation Iran insisted on in the past for a case like this. It won’t bring their loved ones back but it will at least be some measure of justice.

i would like to think this will bring people to their senses and lead to an improvement in US/Iranian relations, but i wont be putting my house on it.

GM228

MuffinsDa wrote: »

As predicted here before, it’s confirmed. Iran has owned up to shooting it down, citing human error.

It's ironic that 24 hours earlier Hassan Rouhani had tweeted about Iran Air Flight 655, Iran have never let that die down and even to this day have events each year condemning the US for that shooting down.

smurfjed

Is it any wonder that the flight recorders were damaged ?

smurfjed

How these missiles work. Taken from the discussion on PPrune where their thread has had 1.2 millions views.



The continuous rod warhead is pretty common in anti-aircraft missiles; effectively a charge expands a structure of end welded rods at right angles to the flight path, generating a circle of steel of large diameter. If it intercepts the aircraft before it flies apart it acts like a saw blade. Here's a drawing. With a shaped charge it seems possible for the guide head to survive as the end is probably designed to direct the explosive force to fling the rod(s) out.

PukkaStukka

That just looks pure evil.

prunudo

PukkaStukka wrote: »

That just looks pure evil.

Weapons of war aren't known for their fluffy cuddly design features. Aim of the game is maximum destruction.

murphaph

PukkaStukka wrote: »

That just looks pure evil.

Indeed it does. Imagine a world where we didn't spend a cent on such vile weapons and instead spent it on health and education. We are a long way from that world :-(

cnocbui

Shakespeare nailed it; the truth will out.

Letwin_Larry

G_R wrote: »

Link here to BBC article

BBC News - Iran plane crash: Ukrainian jet was 'unintentionally' shot down
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51073621

someone, somewhere within the Iranian military made a decision to aim & launch a rocket at that plane.
it's not as if their finger slipped when that Red button was pressed.

no doubt they'll single out some underling and place all the blame on him. you dont honestly expect anybody within the upper echelons to accept responsibility for the killing of innocent people?

wcooba

Letwin_Larry wrote: »

no doubt they'll single out some underling and place all the blame on him. you dont honestly expect anybody within the upper echelons to accept responsibility for the killing of innocent people?

Apparently not. Also as I speculated before Russian system confused it for a missile:

https://www.newsweek.com/i-wish-i-had-died-instead-seeing-ukranian-airlines-crash-iranian-revolutionary-guards-aerospace-1481641

Hotblack Desiato

If it wasn't for the videos getting out onto the internet, the cover-up would probably have been successful.

cnocbui

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

If it wasn't for the videos getting out onto the internet, the cover-up would probably have been successful.

No, they probably hastened things, but it was reported that it was the Ukrainian investigators confronting the Iranians with proof of shrapnel damage that made them admit culpability.

Letwin_Larry

the decision by the Iranians not to shut down all civilian air traffic, especially when they knew the ante was being upped, and the military was on heightened alert was unforgivable and betrays a total disregard for the well-being of their citizens imo.

wcooba

New CCTV video emerged showing two missiles fired:

https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/100000006920114/iran-plane-missile-video.html?smid=pl-share