Meghan & Harry: WE QUIT

Mrsmum

I think they are an awful pair of self obsessed 'humanitarians'.

Neyite

irishblessing wrote: »

These women are wealthy, and probably have their own family tiara's. Practice what, anyway? It would just need to be fitted with their own veil and hairstyle. Ordinary women getting married have hair trials with their headpieces, pretty usual stuff. I'm sure Meghan was guided to follow normal protocol like everyone else.

Tiara wearing in the UK actually has a strict etiquette. Only married royals or brides can wear them to royal occasions.

Being from a non-titled family KM wouldn't have had one, hence the substitute. For curiosity I googled the others: Lady Diana had the Spencer tiara, which she wore at her wedding, Sarah Ferguson and Sophie Wessex, Beatrice & Eugenie and Meghan were lent theirs from the Queen, presumably because they wouldn't have had a family one.

Be right back

irishblessing wrote: »

What are you even on about? You'd have us thinking you know her and her innermost thoughts personally! :pac:

I'd say the Claire's tiara articles were as much a drivel as anything else. C'mon, that didn't happen. These women are wealthy, and probably have their own family tiara's. Practice what, anyway? It would just need to be fitted with their own veil and hairstyle. Ordinary women getting married have hair trials with their headpieces, pretty usual stuff. I'm sure Meghan was guided to follow normal protocol like everyone else.

Ordinary women wouldn't have access to priceless tiaras. Kate and Sophie came from ordinary backgrounds so I doubt their families had tiaras!

irishblessing

Neyite wrote: »

Tiara wearing in the UK actually has a strict etiquette. Only married royals or brides can wear them to royal occasions.

Being from a non-titled family KM wouldn't have had one, hence the substitute. For curiosity I googled the others: Lady Diana had the Spencer tiara, which she wore at her wedding, Sarah Ferguson and Sophie Wessex, Beatrice & Eugenie and Meghan were lent theirs from the Queen, presumably because they wouldn't have had a family one.

But you don't know, and we don't know what was used for practice, right?

irishblessing

Be right back wrote: »

Ordinary women wouldn't have access to priceless tiaras. Kate and Sophie came from ordinary backgrounds so I doubt their families had tiaras!

That's not at all what I said or am getting at. Ordinary women have hair trials with whatever their headpieces are for their day.

Kate and Sophie (any of them) would have needed to have hair trials with whatever they were actually going to be wearing on their day. So if they didn't have or wear their own family jewels, I'm sure they had normal hair trials with the hairpiece they wore on the actual day. Just like any other woman the world over... :rolleyes:

Neyite

irishblessing wrote: »

I have seen a few videos/photos of Meghan doing very lovely/deep curtsies; in fact it was compared to Kate's and Meghan's was much deeper (obv eager to show her respect) she didn't seem to find it that difficult!

I've a feeling I read somewhere that the depth of bows and curtsies are related to their place in the hierarchy but I can't find it now.
Similarly, they do/don't curtsey to each other depending on rank. So, H&M would curtsey & bow to William and Kate, but if Kate was on her own, they wouldn't.

blinding

Mrsmum wrote: »

I think they are an awful pair of self obsessed 'humanitarians'.

And I certainly wouldn’t like to be a Human standing in their way ! !:eek:

screamer

I don’t know what hair trials were done. But I thought MM hair looked like she’d fallen out of bed and stuck the tiara on herself on the day,....

blinding

screamer wrote: »

I don’t know what hair trials were done. But I thought MM hair looked like she’d fallen out of bed and stuck the tiara on herself on the day,....

Did the Queen do a Hair Raiser on her ? ?

irishblessing

screamer wrote: »

I don’t know what hair trials were done. But I thought MM hair looked like she’d fallen out of bed and stuck the tiara on herself on the day,....

Well aren't you lovely!

Neyite

irishblessing wrote: »

But you don't know, and we don't know what was used for practice, right?

Only in the case of Kate Middleton. We know her hairdresser practised using a cheapo plastic one.

As pieces on their own, tiara are worth millions, but because of the historical significance of most of them, they are actually priceless. There's probably strict rules as to who has access to them, what permissions they need and in what circumstances they are allowed to leave the secure vault. And when they do leave I'm sure risk assessments and security plans are done to ensure the safety of the treasure during the event and to ensure their safe return.

Be right back

irishblessing wrote: »

That's not at all what I said or am getting at. Ordinary women have hair trials with whatever their headpieces are for their day.

Kate and Sophie (any of them) would have needed to have hair trials with whatever they were actually going to be wearing on their day. So if they didn't have or wear their own family jewels, I'm sure they had normal hair trials with the hairpiece they wore on the actual day. Just like any other woman the world over... :rolleyes:

To be honest, there was probably several hair trials and with the security attached to the tiaras, I can't imagine they could have the tiaras whenever they wanted and had to make do with a plastic tiara.

irishblessing

Neyite wrote: »

Only in the case of Kate Middleton. We know her hairdresser practised using a cheapo plastic one.

As pieces on their own, tiara are worth millions, but because of the historical significance of most of them, they are actually priceless. There's probably strict rules as to who has access to them, what permissions they need and in what circumstances they are allowed to leave the secure vault. And when they do leave I'm sure risk assessments and security plans are done to ensure the safety of the treasure during the event and to ensure their safe return.

How do we know in the case of Kate, exactly?
I agree, there must be super strict rules!
According the book you mentioned, Meghan had to have an appointment so surely it was fairly strict protocol.

Neyite

irishblessing wrote: »

How do we know in the case of Kate, exactly?
I agree, there must be super strict rules!
According the book you mentioned, Meghan had to have an appointment so surely it was fairly strict protocol.

This is how we know Kate used a fake one. There were also several publications that carried the same story

The book says:

In Mr Scobie’s book, co-authored by Carolyn Durand, the situation between Harry and Ms Kelly is described as a “heated exchange”.

The book states: “What followed between the prince and Angela was a heated exchange that was far from the typical restraint expected.

“According to a source, Harry had no problem confronting the issue had on. ‘He was fed up,’ said the aide.

“In the end, Harry had to speak to his grandmother about the situation. And she got her trial.”

According to the authors, a senior Buckingham Palace aide insisted Harry was being “oversensitive” when he accused Ms Kelly of trying to make things difficult for the Duchess.

But a source close to the Duke said “nothing could convince Harry that some of the old guard at the Palace simply didn’t like Meghan and would stop at nothing to make her life difficult”.

A friend said: “Meg had flown her hairdresser over from Paris for a hair practice and they needed the tiara.

“Angela Kelly said she couldn’t come to London [from Windsor] and Harry went ballistic.

“He was furious at the treatment of his then fiancee. Such a snub.”

https://usadailyexpress.com/prince-harrys-finding-freedom-biographer-reveals-the-truth-behind-meghans-tiara-row/
That's from this site. I'm going to see if I can find direct quotes from the book on that though.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

I’m finding the idea of a kerfuffle over a tiara mortifying. Whatever the truth, this was about a tiara that a mid-30s woman was going to wear. It’s all very juvenile. The situation, not the people discussing it here.

Be right back

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m finding the idea of a kerfuffle over a tiara mortifying. Whatever the truth, this was about a tiara that a mid-30s woman was going to wear. It’s all very juvenile. The situation, not the people discussing it here.

Exactly, apparently Harry said whatever she wants, she gets!! A grown woman!

Neyite

So, got the book open on my phone and;

The book states that Meghan didn't demand a specific tiara as press report, [there's a few paragraphs of a description of some tiaras including the one she supposedly wanted originally wanted called the Vladimer Tiara -one with emeralds- because green was incorporated as a wedding colour] but denies that she demanded it. It does say however that there "could have been talk about the ideal tiara having emeralds in it"

The appointment to select the tiara was in Feb 2018. The wedding dress designer was awaiting the choice to finalise the dress design.

The day of choosing the tiara is usually a special moment for the queen, the book says and the queen usually has an idea of which ones she wants to offer. The exception to previous appointments of this nature was that this time Harry tagged along. The book explains that they went down forty ft in an elevator to a large vault where 5 tiaras had been assembled (they've got detachable jewels etc) for display. [there's a bit more paragraphs about how unused to tiaras Meghan would have been]
The book describes the vault room as 150ft long and well lit showroom for Queens hundreds of pieces of jewellery. It says that the Crown Jeweller is normally on hand but withdraws for this special day for the Queen and recipient to choose the tiara, assisted by the Queen's dresser AK. The book then goes on to talk about about her trying on the various ones, with AK explaining different ways to wear it /hold it in place etc and making her nod her head etc with it on. It's described as a special day and that the queen and AK fully agreed with MM's choice of tiara.

Then the next page says that the hairdresser flew from NY to London to do a hair trial using the chosen tiara in late March.

It says "the pair had hoped to visit Buck Palace to meet AK who would have handled the tiara as she did at the earlier appointment. Except no matter how many requests were sent by Kensington palace, the queen's dresser didn't respond. After several failed attempts AK's availability remained unknown and Harry was furious. It does say that at the first hair trial, AK was busy at Windsor where the queen was based for Easter. It says that Harry got furious and had 'a heated' discussion with AK. But the appointment failed to materialise. In the end Harry had to speak to his grandmother about the situation. And she got her tiara"

Mrsmum

The right way to do it was to book the appointment to borrow the tiara for the trial, then with the appointment secured, fly over the hairdresser (imagine needing a hairdresser to be flown from NY), not fly over the hairdresser and then expect AK and probably all sorts of security personnel to make themselves available when you click your fingers.

irishblessing

Mrsmum wrote: »

The right way to do it was to book the appointment to borrow the tiara for the trial, then with the appointment secured, fly over the hairdresser (imagine needing a hairdresser to be flown from NY), not fly over the hairdresser and then expect AK and probably all sorts of security personnel to make themselves available when you click your fingers.

Eh... maybe that's how it actually happened?
Or- maybe the right way is to work with an actual human's schedule, and aim to borrow an inanimate (albeit priceless) piece of metal when it works best for them. :pac:
No one here knows the tiara borrowing process. Maybe it's simply set in a room and helped in/out of the case (or whatever it usually sits in) by a member of staff (maybe the Principal Jewel Keeper, lol) for the hairdresser and probably dressmaker (for the veil part) to work with. The availability of the tiara has to be on the easier end. It's in a castle, and only brought out to be around very trusted members of the family. It had to go on her head morning of too FFS- it was hardly surrounded by security guards to prevent a jewel thief snatching it off her head or impossible to have it ready on the morning. They need to work with the bride and her people, not the other way round.

So much begrudgery here, good god!

Edit to add: just read Neyite's post.. exactly. Sounds like there's an established process, all went well first as no one would dare mess around the Queen and she was there, it was a special day, etc etc.

So they follow a process and suddenly just the process just stops working? And only after the Queen isn't a direct part of it? Totally unprofessional on AK's end.

irishblessing

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m finding the idea of a kerfuffle over a tiara mortifying. Whatever the truth, this was about a tiara that a mid-30s woman was going to wear. It’s all very juvenile. The situation, not the people discussing it here.

I'm sure that's why Prince Harry was so P'd off. What is the ridiculous problem over such a minor thing, with an established process!

blinding

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

I’m finding the idea of a kerfuffle over a tiara mortifying. Whatever the truth, this was about a tiara that a mid-30s woman was going to wear. It’s all very juvenile. The situation, not the people discussing it here.

Be right back wrote: »

Exactly, apparently Harry said whatever she wants, she gets!! A grown woman!

Anyone with a bit of sense would Smell A Spoilt Brat ! !

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

Anyone with a bit of sense would Smell A Spoilt Brat ! !

Anyone with a bit of sense would realise that's just a stupid tabloid story designed for clicks and generating money and not name call others over nothing. :rolleyes:

blinding

irishblessing wrote: »

Anyone with a bit of sense would realise that's just a stupid tabloid story designed for clicks and generating money and not name call others over nothing. :rolleyes:

“ What-Ever Meghan Wants, Meghan Gets “ from Harry the Lamb's Own Mouth

And ya still can’t work out ~ ~ Spoilt Brat :D

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

“ What-Ever Meghan Wants, Meghan Gets “ from Harry the Lamb's Own Mouth

And ya still can’t work out ~ ~ Spoilt Brat :D

Oh really? Post the video clip of it so. Lets see if we can work it out.

blinding

irishblessing wrote: »

Oh really? Post the video clip of it so. Lets see if we can work it out.

It is not disputed that Harry the Lamb said this.

The British Establishment welcomed Meghan Markle because it was a breath of fresh air.

It was only when it became clear that Meghan Markle was an Uber Diva that they turned against her.

Just because she is mixed race does not stop he from being an Uber Diva just as being black does not stop people from being Racist.

Mixed race people and black people can obviously have all of the same weakness’s and strengths as everybody else.

For some reason when mixed race or black people show up usual human weakness’s it has to be covered up ! !

Muahahaha

The whole protocol of the tiara sounds like a load of nonsense to me. Even just the notion of the Queen choosing a small selection that Meghan can then choose from seems ridiculous to me. I mean why not allow her (or anyone marrying into the family) their choice of the whole lot of them.

It just seems really petty to me, it would be like me having a collection of 25 sportcars and offering a mate a lend of one for the day but saying you're only allowed choose from the 5 sportcars Im offering you, a kind of prickish thing to do IMO. Like these tiaras are just sitting in a vault for years at a time without even getting used. Not sure why the Queen is being so precious over them, they're just a bunch of shiny rocks at the end of the day.

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

It is not disputed that Harry the Lamb said this.

The British Establishment welcomed Meghan Markle because it was a breath of fresh air.

It was only when it became clear that Meghan Markle was an Uber Diva that they turned against her.

Just because she is mixed race does not stop he from being an Uber Diva just as being black does not stop people from being Racist.

Mixed race people and black people can obviously have all of the same weakness’s and strengths as everybody else.

For some reason when mixed race or black people show up usual human weakness’s it has to be covered up ! !

Discussing the personal business of two people I don't even know is ridiculous enough, but being public, famous, royal figures who have a great story separately and together is what piques my interest.

People talking about two people they don't know as if they're in possession of facts no one else is though, is just bizarre. But then it's just a whole other level of bat **** crazy to mix race and "diva-ness" out of literally nowhere. And don't get me started on "Harry the Lamb." Lol.

MoonUnit75

They must be spending a fortune on PR consultants to keep them in the news. Every day there's at least two and often more than three different stories about them on the landing page newsfeed. Epitome of famous for being famous.

blinding

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

They must be spending a fortune on PR consultants to keep them in the news. Every day there's at least two and often more than three different stories about them on the landing page newsfeed. Epitome of famous for being famous.

I wonder are they sick looking at one another yet ?

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

I wonder are they sick looking at one another yet ?

You're not sick talking about them :pac:

blinding

irishblessing wrote: »

You're not sick talking about them :pac:

Sure they are forever stuck together. Harry stuck under her feet and he not able to do anything.

She is probably not even getting the chance for a bit of fresh leg over ! !

irishblessing

blinding wrote: »

Sure they are forever stuck together. Harry stuck under her feet and he not able to do anything.

She is probably not even getting the chance for a bit of fresh leg over ! !

Mature.

Galwayguy35

No loss on them they are minted for life with the Netflix deal.

Harry was worth millions anyway even before this.

I think Will is a lot more likeable than Harry.

seenitall

blinding wrote: »

Anyone with a bit of sense would Smell A Spoilt Brat ! !

That’s kinda unfair. Not because it’s inaccurate, but because it goes with the territory of the choices HARRY himself makes. I mean, I can hardly imagine him being drawn to some quiet little dear who no one‘s ever heard of. He’s not the type. He was always dating aristocratic or society girls. Even his blind dates seem to be with Hollywood actresses.

So yeah, this “what Meghan wants, she gets” is, it is safe to presume, just a reflection of the fact that what Harry wants, he gets. And always has. So again, spoilt little bratS would be more fitting, don’t you think?

Not to mention the fact it was HIM who said it in the first place.

MoonUnit75

Meghan has decided she was the most trolled person on planet earth. No confirmation on whether they have trademarked the title or whether mugs and t-shirts will be available.

https://www.thepost.on.ca/entertainment/celebrity/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-says-trolling-can-become-unsurvivable/wcm/e68acfef-734f-4bde-b871-7f6e80ae7a97

irishblessing

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Meghan has decided she was the most trolled person on planet earth. No confirmation on whether they have trademarked the title or whether mugs and t-shirts will be available.

https://www.thepost.on.ca/entertainment/celebrity/meghan-duchess-of-sussex-says-trolling-can-become-unsurvivable/wcm/e68acfef-734f-4bde-b871-7f6e80ae7a97

No she didn't. She said she was told she was. But you're ignoring her actual words for a chance to take a shot at her. The trolling continues... congrats you're a part of it too!

And I think you'll find William and Kate trademarked their names/titles as well, back in 2013 I believe. It's to protect the image and name of the RF actually, not to push their own mugs and t-shirts for profit. More trolling, you actually illustrated her point for her.

MoonUnit75

irishblessing wrote: »

No she didn't. She said she was told she was. But you're ignoring her actual words for a chance to take a shot at her. The trolling continues... congrats you're a part of it too!

And I think you'll find William and Kate trademarked their names/titles as well, back in 2013 I believe. It's to protect the image and name of the RF actually, not to push their own mugs and t-shirts for profit. More trolling, you actually illustrated her point for her.

Yes, she is telling us she was told that, did she give a source? Why would she say it if she didn't want us to think that?

She is a public figure who wants to preach to the little folk from her luxurious mansion, criticism comes with the territory. If they don't want to be criticised then they should do what Ricky Gervais told her actor colleagues at the Golden Globes.

irishblessing

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Yes, she is telling us she was told that, did she give a source? Why would she say it if she didn't want us to think that?

She is a public figure who wants to preach to the little folk from her luxurious mansion, criticism comes with the territory. If they don't want to be criticised then they should do what Ricky Gervais told her actor colleagues at the Golden Globes.

You're nitpicking. Just because someone is a public figure doesn't give anyone the right to say the horrible things they did and when she was pregnant-which is what her comments were about actually. It's far over the line of criticism. She has every right to speak up about the bullying and racism she endured and in speaking up and fighting back she is advocating for change and letting people know (whether you're 15 or 25 she said) that it's not okay, it's damaging to anyone's mental health, and it needs to stop. Everyone's mental health is important. Even for people who are members of the royal family and even for people who live in large houses.
Why on earth should two people only trying to do good in the world be so criticised anyway. It's clearly the jealous, bitter, racist people who need to get a life.

MoonUnit75

irishblessing wrote: »

You're nitpicking. Just because someone is a public figure doesn't give anyone the right to say the horrible things they did and when she was pregnant-which is what her comments were about actually. It's far over the line of criticism. She has every right to speak up about the bullying and racism she endured and in speaking up and fighting back she is advocating for change and letting people know (whether you're 15 or 25 she said) that it's not okay, it's damaging to anyone's mental health, and it needs to stop. Everyone's mental health is important. Even for people who are members of the royal family and even for people who live in large houses.
Why on earth should two people only trying to do good in the world be so criticised anyway. It's clearly the jealous, bitter, racist people who need to get a life.

Sure, I get it. To some people she's sweetness and light personified and the train wreck of broken family relationships, alienated friends and employees is all racism and bullying.

Maybe, though, her PR machine has it wrong and her vanity and entitlement are partly or wholly responsible for the change in how the media treated her. Not being able to keep staff, alienating Harry from his entire family, taking her son away from his grandparents and extended family for the peaceful, private life of a Hollywood star. Do you really think it's just the world against her, when so many people like Michelle Obama can treat people well and carry on serving their country with dignity?

meeeeh

Didn't Melania Trump also claim she is the most trolled person on the planet. They can compare notes.

Hopefully after this autumn Melania will return into obscurity but I'm not sure Megan will want to stay out of limelight.

ohnonotgmail

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Sure, I get it. To some people she's sweetness and light personified and the train wreck of broken family relationships, alienated friends and employees is all racism and bullying.

Maybe, though, her PR machine has it wrong and her vanity and entitlement are partly or wholly responsible for the change in how the media treated her. Not being able to keep staff, alienating Harry from his entire family, taking her son away from his grandparents and extended family for the peaceful, private life of a Hollywood star. Do you really think it's just the world against her, when so many people like Michelle Obama can treat people well and carry on serving their country with dignity?

Mostly it seems to be the Daily Mail against her. and people lap up that ****.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

irishblessing wrote: »

You're nitpicking. Just because someone is a public figure doesn't give anyone the right to say the horrible things they did and when she was pregnant-which is what her comments were about actually. It's far over the line of criticism. She has every right to speak up about the bullying and racism she endured and in speaking up and fighting back she is advocating for change and letting people know (whether you're 15 or 25 she said) that it's not okay, it's damaging to anyone's mental health, and it needs to stop. Everyone's mental health is important. Even for people who are members of the royal family and even for people who live in large houses.
Why on earth should two people only trying to do good in the world be so criticised anyway. It's clearly the jealous, bitter, racist people who need to get a life.

Ah, I don’t know. I hated how the British media treated Harry and Meghan but she’s a bit of a dose at the same time. Pontification from two of the most privileged people in the world (which they are, make no mistake) is never going to go down well. Many people are really struggling right now. And their video about Black History Month was a bit oblivious.

irishblessing

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Sure, I get it. To some people she's sweetness and light personified and the train wreck of broken family relationships, alienated friends and employees is all racism and bullying.

Maybe, though, her PR machine has it wrong and her vanity and entitlement are partly or wholly responsible for the change in how the media treated her. Not being able to keep staff, alienating Harry from his entire family, taking her son away from his grandparents and extended family for the peaceful, private life of a Hollywood star. Do you really think it's just the world against her, when so many people like Michelle Obama can treat people well and carry on serving their country with dignity?

I think she's human. And decent. Her father and that side of the family are the unhinged trainwrecks. The RF has well known issues, and Harry himself said it was his decision to step away.No one, including Meghan, are responsible for other people's horrible and toxic behaviour. What alienated friends...whoever you think they are has absolutely nothing to do with the racist and bullying vitriol that was directed at her by the press and bitter people in the UK.

What vanity and entitlement? What staff could she not keep? Already addressed the fact that Harry himself said it was his choice to step away, as has royal biographers noted this about him and the statements he made before he ever met Meghan.

No one said the world is against her. She and Harry actually have a lot of supporters. The US seem to adore her and him and rightly so.

What does Michelle Obama have to do with anything? She wasn't in a toxic family dynamic. Though if you read her book as I did, you would know she was still in a toxic, systemically racist situation in which she experienced much bullying and racism actually. Which she also has spoken out against. You obviously don't know the first thing about Michelle Obama.

cnocbui

MoonUnit75 wrote: »

Sure, I get it. To some people she's sweetness and light personified and the train wreck of broken family relationships, alienated friends and employees is all racism and bullying.

Maybe, though, her PR machine has it wrong and her vanity and entitlement are partly or wholly responsible for the change in how the media treated her. Not being able to keep staff, alienating Harry from his entire family, taking her son away from his grandparents and extended family for the peaceful, private life of a Hollywood star. Do you really think it's just the world against her, when so many people like Michelle Obama can treat people well and carry on serving their country with dignity?

Describe the nature and extent of this 'PR' machine.

Not being able to keep staff - sounds like you swallow the bile expelled by the DM without filter. Provide proof of this. Any of these disgruntled staff written an exposé with details?

Actually, she took her son to being closer to one of his grandparents, namely her mother. Charles can more easily afford to jump on a plane and visit than her mother. if you include her back-stabbing father, she's actually relocated her child so he's closer to the majority of his grandparents, Diana being dead, in case you haven't heard. But that grandparents sh1t is nonsensical bollocks straight from the DM. Construct a filter and try some logic when reading that rag.

There is not the slightest parralel or similarity between Megan and Michelle Obama's , apart from their race and gender. Very weird comparrison.

irishblessing

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Ah, I don’t know. I hated how the British media treated Harry and Meghan but she’s a bit of a dose at the same time. Pontification from two of the most privileged people in the world (which they are, make no mistake) is never going to go down well. Many people are really struggling right now. And their video about Black History Month was a bit oblivious.

Meghan has been involved with charity and empowerment work long before she met Harry, since she was a child actually. She's just being herself even now despite marrying into royalty and the wealth she earned and now married into.

Oblivious? She is half black and her mother is black as is her maternal side of her family. She has spoken about the racism she and her family have been subjected to. She has grown up in a country that has huge problems with racism starting 400 years ago. What on earth would you know about it that leads you to have the opinion she is oblivious?

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

irishblessing wrote: »

Meghan has been involved with charity and empowerment work long before she met Harry, since she was a child actually. She's just being herself even now despite marrying into royalty and the wealth she earned and now married into.

Oblivious? She is half black and her mother is black as is her maternal side of her family. She has spoken about the racism she and her family have been subjected to. She has grown up in a country that has huge problems with racism starting 400 years ago. What on earth would you know about it that leads you to have the opinion she is oblivious?

Yes, oblivious. She lived in the UK for, what, three years and didn’t know that there was such a thing as Black History Month? That was her own admission and it shows somebody not very connected to her adopted country. You’d imagine she’d have been very involved in Black History Month whilst in the UK if it was so important to her?

And I don’t know what Harry meant by London not feeling diverse. The thing that jumps out at me when I visit London is the diversity of the place. Harry’s cloistered world probably wasn’t very diverse but that doesn’t mean it was the same for everyone.

irishblessing

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Yes, oblivious. She lived in the UK for, what, three years and didn’t know that there was such a thing as Black History Month? That was her own admission and it shows somebody not very connected to her adopted country. You’d imagine she’d have been very involved in Black History Month whilst in the UK if it was so important to her?

And I don’t know what Harry meant by London not feeling diverse. The thing that jumps out at me when I visit London is the diversity of the place. Harry’s cloistered world probably wasn’t very diverse but that doesn’t mean it was the same for everyone.

You're going to have to give a link to that or explain further because I've no idea what you're on about.

I will say if she's being accused of not knowing something well then a huge dose of cop on is needed. She was born and reared in the US, lived many years in Canada and then in UK. She can't know everything (if that's even true). We are all ignorant, just ignorant about different things. Are you so perfect yourself?
Of course Black History Month would be important to her as a black woman with black family who has experienced racism. Why wouldn't it be-so what exactly are you insinuating.

Many other places would feel more diverse than here in Ireland, lol. :pac:

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

irishblessing wrote: »

You're going to have to give a link to that because I've no idea what you're on about.

I will say if she's being accused of not knowing something well then a huge dose of cop on is needed. She was born and reared in the US, lived many years in Canada and then in UK. She can't know everything (if that's even true). We are all ignorant, just ignorant about different things. Are you so perfect yourself?
Of course Black History Month would be important to her as a black woman with black family who has experienced racism. Why wouldn't it be-so what exactly are you insinuating.

Many other places would feel more diverse than here in Ireland, lol. :pac:

Hold up. I tell you the very video I’m talking about. You completely dismiss what I’ve said but you haven’t even seen the video?

And yes, if you are going to pontificate, you should know what you’re talking about. She had said herself that she didn’t know about Black History Month. So it appears it wasn’t important to her.

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She married a spare royal. That nowdays makes people qualified to waffle on just about everything from ecology to race relations, mental health and penguins or elephants. I despise how British media threated them but neither do I particularly want to hear their lectures. I can understand why Brits are keeping royal family but they really are just a bunch of very unimpressive people with a huge platform.

MoonUnit75

cnocbui wrote: »

Describe the nature and extent of this 'PR' machine.

She's the Mary Sue of her own ghost-written biography! Have you read it, or at least attempted to read it between breaks to dry-wretch into the bathroom sink? Complete drivel that they obviously fed directly and indirectly to Scobie, a guy who lies about his own age in interviews.

Not being able to keep staff - sounds like you swallow the bile expelled by the DM without filter. Provide proof of this. Any of these disgruntled staff written an exposé with details?

You don't know anything about them if you haven't kept track of all the staff they went through. Likewise, these staff are up to their ears in NDAs. She also knows the royal family have a long-lived policy of not bitching about their staff or family matters to the press so won't counter her PR.

Actually, she took her son to being closer to one of his grandparents, namely her mother. Charles can more easily afford to jump on a plane and visit than her mother. if you include her back-stabbing father, she's actually relocated her child so he's closer to the majority of his grandparents, Diana being dead, in case you haven't heard. But that grandparents sh1t is nonsensical bollocks straight from the DM. Construct a filter and try some logic when reading that rag.

Exactly, she moved in with a large extended family then extracted what she needed and moved to where suited her best. And no, she did not move to be with her mother, they first moved to Canada, knowing Canada is obliged to foot the bill for security for royal members.

There is not the slightest parralel or similarity between Megan and Michelle Obama's , apart from their race and gender. Very weird comparrison.

There is, Michelle Obama is black, female and speaks out on issues of race, gender, equality etc. but failed to leave a trainwreck of broken families and relationships behind her or alienate the press.