Flight 752 brought down by Iran - mod warning in |OP

X111111111111

Think this is very current and is deserving of it's own thread. So what looked like the obvious reason why this plane was brought down turns out to be true.

https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-downing-street-looking-into-reports-ukrainian-jet-was-shot-down-by-missile-11904698

Have severe doubts myself if this was an accident as the Iranians are still refusing to cooperate with the investigation and that in my book makes them as guilty as sin. Hopefully they are held to full account as god knows how horrific the last few momenet on board must have felt for those poor people.

Mod warning 10/01/20

Beasty wrote: »

It's quite clear that posters currently dominating this thread fall into one of two camps with each side claiming they are right and the other side wrong

None of you can know for sure, so please stop all of these accusations of lying or getting it wrong. You are entitled to express your own views and opinions. Please, going forward, once you have stated your position just move on rather than getting into all this tit for tat stuff (which, frankly, you should be ashamed of). If necessary I'll issue threadbans to bring an end to all this bickering

Any questions PM me - do not respond to this post in-thread

paleoperson

Why would they bring down a passenger plane heading for Canada and probably carrying a lot of their own nationals, it makes no sense.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/missile-attack-collision-engine-explosion-terrorism-ukraine-investigating-possible-causes-of-iran-crash

According to this article officials say it was likely accidental.

They'd have to be incredibly stupid to intentionally launch a missile at a civilian plane over their own territory. What purpose would it serve except to make them a pariah among nations, including M.Eastern nations? It's certainly possible, but... [Interesting that the US had tasked two sats to watch Tehran exactly at the same time though. Makes you wonder were they lucky or how many sweeps they've got going...]

I'll wait for a proper investigation before making any hasty judgments.

X111111111111

paleoperson wrote: »

Why would they bring down a passenger plane heading for Canada and probably carrying a lot of their own nationals, it makes no sense.

They killed 1500 of their own in protests a few weeks back, did that make sense?

Gatling

paleoperson wrote: »

Why would they bring down a passenger plane heading for Canada and probably carrying a lot of their own nationals, it makes no sense.

It's likely it wasn't targeted on purpose but it was shot down ,
To think a pre planned and pre arranged strike on an empty base by Iran who didn't think to close all airspace first to prevent something like this happening , America and others closed airspace to all traffic when it was informed missiles were going to be launched .

Iran has now lost an awful lot of moral high ground here

paleoperson

X111111111111 wrote: »

They killed 1500 of their own in protests a few weeks back, did that make sense?

Yes dumbass, people get killed all the time in violent protests all the time especially when it's dangerous rioting and more like a militia group. Remember that girl that was killed in Derry a few months back.

iamstop

I think they think it is more embarrassing if it was an accident.

utyh2ikcq9z76b

The black boxes dont automatically get handed to Boeing, think of the conflict of interest. + Boeing can't be trusted as their latest accidents show

James Brown

Your thread title is misleading.
Unfounded pro Trump conspiracy theory. Floated by Trump himself.
Nasty point scoring on tragedy. He knows nothing.

US President Donald Trump said the deadly crash could have been a mistake, adding that he had a terrible feeling about the downed airliner but offering no evidence.

"Somebody could have made a mistake," Mr Trump told reporters at a the White House, adding that he had suspicions about the crash, but giving no other details.

True or not, nobody knows, he's using the tragedy to score points.

skallywag

X111111111111 wrote: »

Have severe doubts myself if this was an accident...

Are you actually serious?

Do you recall when the US shot down an Iranian airliner? Would you also argue that was deliberate rather than a terrible mistake?

X111111111111

paleoperson wrote: »

Yes dumbass, people get killed all the time in violent protests all the time especially when it's dangerous rioting and more like a militia group. Remember that girl that was killed in Derry a few months back.

Why are you resorting to name calling? Can you not just discuss the issue.

X111111111111

iamstop wrote: »

I think they think it is more embarrassing if it was an accident.

Yeah i had thought of that also, interesting concept. It would make them look very amateur after all is said and done.

Gatling

skallywag wrote: »

Are you actually serious?

Do you recall when the US shot down an Iranian airliner? Would you also argue that was deliberate rather than a terrible mistake?

Russia have shot down at least 6 civilian airliners


We don't know if was accidentally shot or just shot down by an Iranian revolutionary with an itchy twitchy finger

X111111111111

skallywag wrote: »

Are you actually serious?

Do you recall when the US shot down an Iranian airliner? Would you also argue that was deliberate rather than a terrible mistake?

Can we not discuss this issue rather than previous airline scenarios.

skallywag

X111111111111 wrote: »

Can we not discuss this issue rather than previous airline scenarios.

The US shot down and an Iranian airliner in the mistaken belief that it was a military aircraft about to attack them.

Can you not see any relevant similarity which makes this a worthy discussion point to your thread OP, no?

pearcider

paleoperson wrote: »

Why would they bring down a passenger plane heading for Canada and probably carrying a lot of their own nationals, it makes no sense.

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/missile-attack-collision-engine-explosion-terrorism-ukraine-investigating-possible-causes-of-iran-crash

According to this article officials say it was likely accidental.

Since when would Iran care about their own citizens? They routinely torture and murder political dissidents. They shot 1500 of their own people in cold blood a while ago for daring to protest. What’s another 270.

X111111111111

skallywag wrote: »

The US shot down and an Iranian airliner in the mistaken belief that it was a military aircraft about to attack them.

Can you not see any relevant similarity which makes this a worthy discussion point to your thread OP, no?

Not at all.

The US had no involvement in this

skallywag

X111111111111 wrote: »

The US had no involvement in this

The country itself has no relevance.

The relevance is that an airliner was shot down in the mistaken belief that it was an enemy about to attack.

There is precedent.

Your theory is frankly both juvenile and ridiculous.

X111111111111

pearcider wrote: »

Since when would Iran care about their own citizens? They routinely torture and murder political dissidents.

That's one of the things im trying to get at. Iran has a very recent history of killing it's own citizens who oppose the regime. Where it get's interesting for me and the real question that needs to be answered is who exactly where the Iranians on flight 752 and could it be possilbe the Iranians where targeting them for some reason?

X111111111111

skallywag wrote: »

The country itself has no relevance.

The relevance is that an airliner was shot down in the mistaken belief that it was an enemy about to attack.

There is precedent.

Your theory is frankly both juvenile and ridiculous.

So i guess you have no thoughts on this incident. Fair enough.

skallywag

X111111111111 wrote: »

So i guess you have no thoughts on this incident. Fair enough.

That is not correct.

I have no interest in your ridiculous take on it.

Fiery mutant

Is it not more plausible that an Iranian air defence system was switched on just in case the US retaliated after the missile strike, and that it activated, mistaking the airliner for a US jet.

Either way, I think there is a lot more information to come out of this story yet.

Still waters

X111111111111 wrote: »

They killed 1500 of their own in protests a few weeks back, did that make sense?

How many times have you said this in the last few days, I've seen more intelligent argument between my nephews who are both under 7

Gatling

skallywag wrote: »

The US shot down and an Iranian airliner in the mistaken belief that it was a military aircraft about to attack them.

Apparently the ships commander went looking for a fight and took his vessel well off course to try go after Iranian naval forces that were harassing another US ship , they actually blamed the complicated weapon control systems for making it difficult for commanders to make a decision about if they were under attack .

There was a documentary about it not so long ago

Still waters

Gatling wrote: »

Russia have shot down at least 6 civilian airliners


We don't know if was accidentally shot or just shot down by an Iranian revolutionary with an itchy twitchy finger

X111111111111 wrote: »

Can we not discuss this issue rather than previous airline scenarios.

Keep to the script guys

robinbird

Third looks dreadful for Iran.
US now saying that it is confident that Iran shot down the airliner. Trump said " Somebody may have made a mistake"
Ukraine Airlines not coming out of this well either. Most other airlines had grounded their planes and declared Iran a no fly zone.

X111111111111

Trudeau to speak at 3pm Toronto time (8pm Irish) about this incident. Interesting to see his take on it.

paleoperson

Gatling wrote: »

Russia have shot down at least 6 civilian airliners


We don't know if was accidentally shot or just shot down by an Iranian revolutionary with an itchy twitchy finger

Are you out of your mind?

Russia did not shoot down civilian airliners in any sort of normal situation and not in the past few decades.

Gatling

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Is it not more plausible that an Iranian air defence system was switched on just in case the US retaliated after the missile strike, and that it activated, mistaking the airliner for a US jet.

That doesn't make sense , there is a large difference between a US fighter jet and a 737s radar signature add the face the plane had only taken off from a civilian airport

If that was the case we would have seen more than one aircraft targeted especially if they couldn't tell the difference between a f18 and large civilian airliners

James Brown

X111111111111 wrote: »

Not at all.

The US had no involvement in this

I could start a 'Flight 752 brought down by the U.S.A.' and it would be as valid as this one. Same proof to back it up too, none.

Timberrrrrrrr

Gatling wrote: »

1962 Aeroflot Flight 902 shot down by Russia

1978 Korean Air Lines Flight 902 shot down by Russia

september 1983
Korean Air Lines Flight 007 shot down by Russia


Iran Air Flight 655 1988 shot down by America

September 1993
three airliners belonging to Transair Georgia were shot down by missiles and gunfire in Sukhumi, Abkhazia, Georgia. The first, a Tupolev Tu-134, was shot down on 21 September 1993 by a missile during landing approach. The second plane, a Tupolev Tu-154, was shot down a day later also during approach all three shot down by Russia

2001 Siberia Airlines Flight 1812 shot down by Russia

2014 Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Aka MH-17 shot down by Russia.

2020 Ukrainian flight 752 shot down by Iran.




And to think posters on here act and think America are the only ones to shoot down a civilian airliner before iran

Has anyone made this claim?