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Snow Garden

Gatling wrote: »

So just taking stock of the thread so far .

Iran shoots down flight 752 .

Iran said it was a technical issue and the plane was returning to the airport,

Iran said it was an engine fire ,

Iran said it didn't shoot down any aircraft ,

Iran said it's air accident investigation concluded it was caused by technical difficulties .

It might be have been an American missile .

Iran said that they didn't shoot down flight 752

Canada said Iran shot down flight 752

Iran said it was psychological warfare blaming them on shooting down flight which they say didn't happen.

Iran invites an international investigation team to Iran to fully investigate the crash (shooting down)

Iran said that they didn't shoot (flight 752) it down

Iran suddenly announced it shot down flight 752 which was flying towards a sensitive military site ,

Iran said that flight 752 was returning to the airport at the same time as flying towards a sensitive military site,

Iran said a lot in 3 days since they shot down flight 752.


So the final conclusion is Iran shot down flight

Iran look very very very foolish now.

Gatling

Snow Garden wrote: »

Iran look very very very foolish now.

Oh absolutely , and zero credability (not just Iran ) there is literally no way to explain this away ,
They didn't just say they shot it down they actually claim it was flying towards a sensitive military site as if to justify shooting down a civilian airliner

charlie14

Gatling wrote: »

So just taking stock of the thread so far .

Iran shoots down flight 752 .

Iran said it was a technical issue and the plane was returning to the airport,

Iran said it was an engine fire ,

Iran said it didn't shoot down any aircraft ,

Iran said it's air accident investigation concluded it was caused by technical difficulties .

It might be have been an American missile .

Iran said that they didn't shoot down flight 752

Canada said Iran shot down flight 752

The US said Iran shot down flight 752

Iran said it was psychological warfare blaming them on shooting down flight which they say didn't happen.

Iran invites an international investigation team to Iran to fully investigate the crash (shooting down)

Iran said that they didn't shoot (flight 752) it down

Iran suddenly announced it shot down flight 752 which was flying towards a sensitive military site ,

Iran said that flight 752 was returning to the airport at the same time as flying towards a sensitive military site,

Iran said a lot in 3 days since they shot down flight 752.


So the final conclusion is Iran shot down flight

I may have missed it, but where and when did the Iranian Civil Aviation Authority Crash Investigation Team report conclude it was caused by technical difficulties ?

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Oh absolutely , and zero credability (not just Iran ) there is literally no way to explain this away ,
They didn't just say they shot it down they actually claim it was flying towards a sensitive military site as if to justify shooting down a civilian airliner

Let’s now see if they award medals to those responsible, like the US did.

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

So just taking stock of the thread so far .

Iran shoots down flight 752 .

Iran said it was a technical issue and the plane was returning to the airport,

Iran said it was an engine fire ,

Iran said it didn't shoot down any aircraft ,

Iran said it's air accident investigation concluded it was caused by technical difficulties .

It might be have been an American missile .

Iran said that they didn't shoot down flight 752

Canada said Iran shot down flight 752

The US said Iran shot down flight 752

Iran said it was psychological warfare blaming them on shooting down flight which they say didn't happen.

Iran invites an international investigation team to Iran to fully investigate the crash (shooting down)

Iran said that they didn't shoot (flight 752) it down

Iran suddenly announced it shot down flight 752 which was flying towards a sensitive military site ,

Iran said that flight 752 was returning to the airport at the same time as flying towards a sensitive military site,

Iran said a lot in 3 days since they shot down flight 752.


So the final conclusion is Iran shot down flight 752

From when it took place on Wednesday to the disclosure on Friday they shot the plane down, is hardly a cover up.. Even Western analysts doubted the missile launch on Wednesday. Late Thursday all this info about Iran shot the plane came out. On Friday Iran admitted they shot the plane down. Iran killed a lot of its own people on this flight, this is rough for them internally and a sudden announcement they did it, is interesting. Number of countries example America and Russia have shot down commercial planes and have taken years and years to admit their mistakes and apologise. 

Iran claimed the plane was shot down by an American missile? I saw no info about that?
Rest of your list is true, but it was early investigation of the crash not final.
Iran invited in all the international experts on Thursday, so i see no cover up. Maybe someone in Iran military tried to cover it up and Iran army review discovered the cover up? There different possibilities here.

ChikiChiki

Ukraining embassy in Tehran made a statement saying it was a technical issue a few hours after the crash which I thought was bizarre at the time given how soon it was.

That told me the Iranians knew straight away they ****ed up and were just buying time.

humberklog

Snow Garden wrote: »

Iran look very very very foolish now.

I don't think they care how they look.



Iran sent a clear message to who mattered (USA) and it was received and understood.

Sky Blue 20

Just imagine Iran had a Nuclear weapon and it got fired " accidentally " at Israel which it surely would.
The World must make sure it doesn't get one.

Gatling

humberklog wrote: »

Iran sent a clear message to who mattered (USA) and it was received and understood.

Not necessarily true for all of the bluster of death to America ,
What did we get as (some predicted ) more innocent civilians killed than any American forces 138 Iranians killed at the hands of other Iranians
63 Canadian /Iranian ?
11 Ukrainian
10 Swedes
7 Afghans
3 English.

America lost a few tents ,a few cars ,a helicopter and some concrete ,In a pre-arranged, pre planned assault on an empty base ,
Who got a message more clear we hit what we want , when we want and feck all you can do about it .


But that's another thread

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Who got a message more clear we hit what we want , when we want and feck all you can do about it .

These lads certainly did
https://youtu.be/QKIvOeKHpFE

humberklog

The message was that they are willing to do it. It doesn't need to be american lives or assets.

It's lateral actions in an long lasting asymmetrical war.

Anyway that's where i am without wanting to get into a whole debate on my thoughts on the matter on Boards.

Gatling

So new story .

They thought it was a cruise missile



Gen. Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the head of the Guard's aerospace division, said his unit accepts “full responsibility” for the crash. In an address broadcast by state TV, he said that when he learned about the downing of the plane, “I wished I was dead.”

He said Guard forces ringing the capital had beefed up their air defenses and were at the “highest level of readiness,” fearing that the U.S. would retaliate. He said an officer made the “bad decision” to open fire on the plane after mistaking it for a cruise missile..

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

These lads certainly did

Talk to the ✋.



How about not dragging a thread further off topic ,


We've been having a great civil discussion for best part of the day !

Cheerful Spring2

Sky Blue 20 wrote: »

Just imagine Iran had a Nuclear weapon and it got fired " accidentally " at Israel which it surely would.
The World must make sure it doesn't get one.

Israeli leaders on various channels in late 90s and early 2000's said Iran was producing nuclear weapons. It now 2020. And it would not shock me if Iran has nuclear weapons stored in underground shelters somewhere and ICBMs are just hidden there ready in case of war?

If they don't--- they can produce breakout rather quickly in a matter of a few months.  Remember Israeli Mossad stole a hard archive of nuclear documents and materials from a warehouse in Tehran. Iran has the technology and know how to build a nuclear weapon.

Iran claim is nuclear weapons are against god will and forbidden by their Islamic laws. You believe this or you don't? Israel and American don't!

We have to be careful as may end up it just another WMD lie and they're not developing nukes secretly?  The Best scenario is to avoid a war with Iran and not find out the hard way after Iran drops nuclear warheads on cities.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Israeli leaders on various channels in late 90s and early 2000's said Iran was producing nuclear weapons. It now 2020. And it would not shock me if Iran has nuclear weapons stored in underground shelters somewhere ,

Iran claim is nuclear weapons are against god will and forbidden by their Islamic laws. You believe this or you don't? Israel and American don't!

The Best scenario is to avoid a war with Iran and not find out the hard way after Iran drops nuclear warheads on cities.

We all know Iran claims alot of things ,
The best case scenario is Iran is more than likely to drop nuclear weapons on their own heads and not hit anything else.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Talk to the ✋.



How about not dragging a thread further off topic ,


We've been having a great civil discussion for best part of the day !

Just answering the question you posed.

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

We all know Iran claims alot of things ,
The best case scenario is Iran is more than likely to drop nuclear weapons on their own heads and not hit anything else.

Because they clearly ‘badly missed’ the targets they directed their ballistic missiles at. Oh, wait...

Gatling

alastair wrote: »

Because they clearly ‘badly missed’ the targets they directed their ballistic missiles at.

Flight 752 say no more .

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Flight 752 say no more .

That would be handy, wouldn’t it?

This sound familiar?:

When questioned in a 2000 BBC documentary, the U.S. government stated in a written answer that they believed the incident may have been caused by a simultaneous psychological condition amongst the eighteen bridge crew of Vincennes, called "scenario fulfillment", which is said to occur when persons are under pressure. In such a situation, the men will carry out a training scenario, believing it to be reality while ignoring sensory information that contradicts the scenario. In the case of this incident, the scenario was an attack by a lone military aircraft.

MadYaker

Sky Blue 20 wrote: »

Just imagine Iran had a Nuclear weapon and it got fired " accidentally " at Israel which it surely would.
The World must make sure it doesn't get one.

Obama did his best but Trump has set that process back years.

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

We all know Iran claims alot of things ,
The best case scenario is Iran is more than likely to drop nuclear weapons on their own heads and not hit anything else.

We have the satellite photographs, the Iranian missiles hit inside the base. Saying otherwise is not correct. Even US official told the Washington post Iran struck a black dawn hawk helicopter, hit a drone, hit runways and taxi ramp, hit trucks, and destroyed nine maintenance shelters. Iran claims they also targeted the command and control of the AL Asad base. There is clear visual evidence Iran took out a building was not just nine maintenance shelters/ hanger tents.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We have the satellite photographs, the Iranian missile hit

Yes Canada and the US have of the missile's hitting flight 752

Despite iran claimimg it did not happen ,

BluePlanet

I guess the bright side here is that some posters get to slag Iran while dancing on the graves of the 176 dead

alastair

Gatling wrote: »

Flight 752 it did not happen ,

Anyone can do inane edits.

Cheerful Spring2

alastair wrote: »

Because they clearly ‘badly missed’ the targets they directed their ballistic missiles at. Oh, wait...

Nine maintenance shelters are not shown in those images. I see only 5 or 6 partly damaged and destroyed giant tents. We did not get all the images.

charlie14

BluePlanet wrote: »

I guess the bright side here is that some posters get to slag Iran while dancing on the graves of the 176 dead

It really does fill a person with a warm glow in regards to some others of our species alright

alastair

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nine maintenance shelters are not shown in those images. I see only 5 or 6 partly damaged and destroyed giant tents. We did not get all the images.

More visible in this:
https://twitter.com/auroraintel/status/1214936154111463424?s=21

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Yes Canada and the US have of the missile's hitting flight 752

Despite iran claimimg it did not happen ,

Iran admitted it. Get over it. We all accept that's a fact now.

You still refuse to accept Iran hit the AL Asad base with 11 ballistic Missiles from inside Iran- 900 miles away.

Spook_ie

charlie14 wrote: »

It looks as if someone picked it up and dumped it there and someone then took a photo and posted it.

I did say earlier about securing the wreckage.
From that photo is it not clear why the accident investigation team decided to remove the wreckage off-site to a secure location ?
Something again a lot of conspiracy theorists here had a problem with.
Even from their footwear it is obvious those in that picture should not be anywhere near a crash site.

Maybe they're in a pile of rubble because of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEr3FDsVRJY

It must be an absolutely horrendous and hellish scenario to come upon the aftermath of a crash like that. We see pictures of twisted wreckage and strewn belongings but those first on the scene would find the charred and shattered pieces of 176 human beings that no newsagency will ever show. Can't imagine what that would be like. Funny how, since it's a country like Iran, we never hear about how the 'first responders' have handled it. Picking up those bloody remains. They would be applauded in a western society.