Flight 752 brought down by Iran - mod warning in |OP

MadYaker

Some air force commander is surely going to his head chopped off over this? If Iran are admitting it publicly there'll have to be consequences for those involved. It's a mad world.

Kivaro

BluePlanet wrote: »

I guess the bright side here is that some posters get to slag Iran while dancing on the graves of the 176 dead

Who is dancing on the graves of the 176 dead?

This is a very odd thread, with one (maybe more) poster appearing to defend the indefensible by using deflection and linguistic techniques. Trying to muddy the circumstances on how a civilian airplane was blown out of the sky by Iran is a sad reflection on those who are trying to twist and skew the actual narrative.

charlie14

Deleted User wrote: »

It must be an absolutely horrendous and hellish scenario to come upon the aftermath of a crash like that. We see pictures of twisted wreckage and strewn belongings but those first on the scene would find the charred and shattered pieces of 176 human beings that no newsagency will ever show. Can't imagine what that would be like. Funny how, since it's a country like Iran, we never hear about how the 'first responders' have handled it. Picking up those bloody remains. They would be applauded in a western society.

First responders should be applauded by everyone regardless of where in the world they are.
I have yet to hear of a first responder whose first action was to determine someone in trouble`s religion or ethnicity.
Brave people who are often not appreciated as much as they deserve.

skepticalme

https://youtu.be/S3e9g1oWNUA

Translation of explanation here.

Gatling

skepticalme wrote: »

Translation of explanation here.

Did they use Google translate or Microsoft translator.

skepticalme

Gatling wrote: »

Did they use Google translate or Microsoft translator.

Native language. Why? Is there an error in the translation?

Beasty

Can we please keep this discussion to the Flight 752 incident

There is a separate thread discussing the missile attack on US bases

Gatling

Protests in Iran have broke out demanding change at the top of the government over the shooting down of flight 752.


"Death to the liar's being chanted"


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-trudeau-demands-answers-after-iran-admits-shooting-down-jet-11906500

alastair

Kivaro wrote: »

Who is dancing on the graves of the 176 dead?

This is a very odd thread, with one (maybe more) poster appearing to defend the indefensible by using deflection and linguistic techniques. Trying to muddy the circumstances on how a civilian airplane was blown out of the sky by Iran is a sad reflection on those who are trying to twist and skew the actual narrative.

Excuse me? What do you believe I’m defending? Where have I muddied anything? The plane wasn’t blown up, and anyone who claims it was is responsible for any ‘muddying’.

Beasty

alastair wrote: »

Glad you’re amused, but it’s still a matter of record:

alastair wrote: »

Nobody did blow up a passenger plane.

iebamm2580 wrote: »

A matter of record by an unknown source, brilliant.

iebamm2580 wrote: »

haha go for a walk clear your head, its pathetic at this stage.

alastair wrote: »

You claiming a plane was blown up?

iebamm2580 wrote: »

You know you have lost an argument when you are being this pedantic, you are making my day at work very fun, i thank you.

iebamm2580 wrote: »

Alastair is being pedantic about blew as in a bomb didn't blow up the plane, terrible trait when people cant admit they were wrong.

alastair wrote: »

Where in any of that is there anything about blowing up a plane? There isn’t, because no plane was blown up. It was shot down.

alastair wrote: »

Neither a bomb, nor a missile, blew up the plane. It didn’t explode at all.

iebamm2580 wrote: »

For somebody with so many posts you have lost any credibility with this pedantic nonsense, admit you were wrong and be on your way to another failed crusade.

I gave up quoting after these posts. Did either of you bother reading the in-thread warning repeated n the OP?

If you did, why did everyone else have to put up with this nonsense?

Both of you are now banned from posting in this thread again

Any questions, PM me

alastair

skepticalme wrote: »

https://youtu.be/S3e9g1oWNUA

Translation of explanation here.

Two points worth noting.

1. An unambiguous apology straight out. An apology which the Iranians have never received for the US shooting down Iran Air Flight 655.

2. Confirmation that the plane wasn’t blown up. Since this seems to be dismissed as a pedantic point by some.

Mod: Week Off

MadYaker

It was hardly straight out. They denied it for 3 days first. It's good to see them accept resposibility though. Russia still hasn't for MH17.

tuxy

skepticalme wrote: »

https://youtu.be/S3e9g1oWNUA

Translation of explanation here.

If I understand this correctly. Iran had given permission for a civilian plane to fly close to a sensitive military base during a time of high tension.
People in charge of an air defense system were not made aware of this.
The pilot did not alter from the intended flight path as some previously claimed.

pearcider

Gatling wrote: »

Protests in Iran have broke out demanding change at the top of the government over the shooting down of flight 752.


"Death to the liar's being chanted"


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-trudeau-demands-answers-after-iran-admits-shooting-down-jet-11906500

It’s a beautiful thing. Trump could well accomplish more for the Middle East with one drone strike than all the US presidents with all their wars and trillions of dollars put together. He’s a genius and I’m gonna put money on him winning 4 more years.

charlie14

pearcider wrote: »

It’s a beautiful thing. Trump could well accomplish more for the Middle East with one drone strike than all the US presidents with all their wars and trillions of dollars put together. He’s a genius and I’m gonna put money on him winning 4 more years.

Are you not back early from your holidays ?

the_syco

tuxy wrote: »

If I understand this correctly. Iran had given permission for a civilian plane to fly close to a sensitive military base during a time of high tension.
People in charge of an air defense system were not made aware of this.
The pilot did not alter from the intended flight path as some previously claimed.

Seems that after the plane was shot down, another civilian aircraft took off.

MadYaker

pearcider wrote: »

It’s a beautiful thing. Trump could well accomplish more for the Middle East with one drone strike than all the US presidents with all their wars and trillions of dollars put together. He’s a genius and I’m gonna put money on him winning 4 more years.

180 innocent dead people and violence on the streets of Tehran is a beautiful thing in your world view. You need to take a long hard look at yourself.

Gatling

tuxy wrote: »

The pilot did not alter from the intended flight path as some previously claimed.

I wouldn't bother with whatever was posted in that link or video ,

The pilot absolutely did not alter course ,for whatever reason where flight 752 was hit by possibly 2 missiles and where the wreckage impacted is being used as proof the pilot altered course towards a sensitive military site ,

Likely the link is just more Iranian propaganda or known in Russia as dezinformatsiya ,

markodaly

alastair wrote: »

US intelligence is part of ‘western intelligence agencies’.

Yes, can be part of.
However, it is not what you said.

You stated, incorrectly that the Americans stated that the plane was not brought down by a missile.
Western could mean, Canadian, French, British, Irish, German, Swedish, Polish etc...

For someone intent on semantics and pedantry in relation to other people's language one would think you would follow these same high standards and rules yourself.

charlie14

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, can be part of.
However, it is not what you said.

You stated, incorrectly that the Americans stated that the plane was not brought down by a missile.
Western could mean, Canadian, French, British, Irish, German, Swedish, Polish etc...

For someone intent on semantics and pedantry in relation to other people's language one would think you would follow these same high standards and rules yourself.

There was a news item posted here (CNN far as I recall) where they stated an official source told them that both the US military and US intelligence were monitoring the area, and they did not detect any missile heat signature.

Gatling

charlie14 wrote: »

There was a news item posted here (CNN far as I recall) where they stated an official source told them that both the US military and US intelligence were monitoring the area, and they did not detect any missile heat signature.

If America said that they had evidence straight away it would be called fake ,and a set up .
Much the same happened when Russia shotdown Flight MH-17,

They left Iran swing on the rope for several days while they spun lie after lie

tuxy

British Ambassador temperately detained because he attend a vigil for the people who died in the crash. Iran officials accused him of attending a protest even though he left as soon as he realised a protest was forming.
They keep getting their intel wrong, totally incompetent.

Gatling

tuxy wrote: »

British Ambassador temperately detained because he attend a vigil for the people who died in the crash. Iran officials accused him of attending a protest even though he left as soon as he realised a protest was forming.
They keep getting their intel wrong, totally incompetent.

Read earlier that flights were still coming and going even after shooting down Flight 752 , no oh ****e let's make sure we don't do it again and divert traffic

tuxy

Gatling wrote: »

Read earlier that flights were still coming and going even after shooting down Flight 752 , no oh ****e let's make sure we don't do it again and divert traffic

It's like the government is totally fractured and unable to communicate with different departments within it.
Very dangerous.

charlie14

Gatling wrote: »

If America said that they had evidence straight away it would be called fake ,and a set up .
Much the same happened when Russia shotdown Flight MH-17,

They left Iran swing on the rope for several days while they spun lie after lie

So you reckon the US lied intentionally



That may make some kind of sense to you, but when I hear hoof beats, I don`t automatically think zebras.

Cheerful Spring2

Gatling wrote: »

Protests in Iran have broke out demanding change at the top of the government over the shooting down of flight 752.


"Death to the liar's being chanted"


https://news.sky.com/story/iran-plane-crash-trudeau-demands-answers-after-iran-admits-shooting-down-jet-11906500

The Iranian people there in the crowd have a right to be angry about the incident. Still, Cool yourself down. I only see a few hundred to two thousand people there shouting disapproval.

Gatling

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

, Cool yourself down. I only see a few hundred to two thousand people there shouting disapproval.

???

markodaly

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51079965

Hundreds of protesters have taken to the streets in Iran's capital, Tehran, to vent anger at officials, calling them liars for having denied shooting down a Ukrainian passenger plane.

Protests took place outside at least two universities, with tear gas reportedly fired

This is looking bad for the regime.

Losing face both at home and abroad.

Gatling

charlie14 wrote: »

So you reckon the US lied intentionally



That may make some kind of sense to you, but when I hear hoof beats, I don`t automatically think zebras.

I believe they did and withheld information to see how Iran would play this which they spectacularly fcuked up post shooting down ,

Very well played by the US

charlie14

Gatling wrote: »

Read earlier that flights were still coming and going even after shooting down Flight 752 , no oh ****e let's make sure we don't do it again and divert traffic

Strange as it may seem,especially with an accident outside their perimeter, airports rarely shut down