What will happen to sinn fein after this election.

FrancieBrady

When considering who gets my vote at election time I always review what might have happened had we not got an effective opposition.

A successful healthy democratic government needs both a ruling party and an effective, watchful opposition not afraid to take it's oversight duties seriously.

golfball37

If SF continue down this woke path they will fade into obscurity.

Skylinehead

blanch152 wrote: »

To be fair, it was the car companies that lied about emissions from diesel vehicles, the Greens can't be blamed for acting on the false information.

They can. Diesel has been known to be dirtier than petrol for decades. The Greens blindly went on a CO2 crusade (and diesel, lying by car companies or not, does emit less of that than petrol) while completely ignoring nitrogen dioxide and the other poisons thrown out in quantity by diesels.

walshb

SF don't want to be in charge, calling shots, responsible for making contentious and crucial and critical and divisive and polarizing decisions....

Nothing will happen after the election. They will continue on on the sidelines giving out non stop about everything!

joe40

It has been over 20 years since the good Friday agreement, and there have been no terrorist type activities linked to Sinn Fein or condoned by Sinn Fein since then.

20 years after the civil war and war of independence opposing parties were in government. 20 years after wwII where millions perished the opposing countries were able to form the EEC.

Constantly harking back to the NI troubles is tiresome, it has been 20 years, time to move on.

How many people are critical of everything Sinn Fein related as a result of NI, and activities of the past.

As a political party they should be judged solely on current policies.

L1011

joe40 wrote: »

It has been over 20 years since the good Friday agreement, and there have been no terrorist type activities linked to Sinn Fein or condoned by Sinn Fein since then.

Just the largest bank robbery in NIs history. Its a lot more recent than 1998 that activity ceased.

JohnnyFlash

joe40 wrote: »

It has been over 20 years since the good Friday agreement, and there have been no terrorist type activities linked to Sinn Fein or condoned by Sinn Fein since then.

20 years after the civil war and war of independence opposing parties were in government. 20 years after wwII where millions perished the opposing countries were able to form the EEC.

Constantly harking back to the NI troubles is tiresome, it has been 20 years, time to move on.

How many people are critical of everything Sinn Fein related as a result of NI, and activities of the past.

As a political party they should be judged solely on current policies.

They’ve a gibbering illiterate in the Dáil who picked up then murderers of a police officer. One example. If you sleep with dogs then you wake up with fleas.

blanch152

joe40 wrote: »

It has been over 20 years since the good Friday agreement, and there have been no terrorist type activities linked to Sinn Fein or condoned by Sinn Fein since then.

20 years after the civil war and war of independence opposing parties were in government. 20 years after wwII where millions perished the opposing countries were able to form the EEC.

Constantly harking back to the NI troubles is tiresome, it has been 20 years, time to move on.

How many people are critical of everything Sinn Fein related as a result of NI, and activities of the past.

As a political party they should be judged solely on current policies.

Didn't the PSNI confirm a couple of years ago that the IRA leadership remains in place?

silver2020

Ms Mc Donald was giving and example of NI & the DUP as an example of SF working with others that they would not have a lot in common with when talking about potential of coalition with FG or FF.

She seems to have forgotten that up until last Saturday morning, petty squabbling by both SF & DUP meant that there was no government in NI for the past 3 years - yet this was the example she was giving?

laughable

NIMAN

silver2020 wrote: »

Ms Mc Donald was giving and example of NI & the DUP as an example of SF working with others that they would not have a lot in common with when talking about potential of coalition with FG or FF.

She seems to have forgotten that up until last Saturday morning, petty squabbling by both SF & DUP meant that there was no government in NI for the past 3 years - yet this was the example she was giving?

laughable

Yeah had a giggle with the SF finance minister Conor Murphy yesterday.

He was chatting about how Boris had offered them X amount of money, but he said it was falling way short.

He had the cheek to say "we have honoured our commitments getting the executive back up and running ....."

Yeah, after 1000 days of doing sweet FA...and it was only the threat of an election when they would lose more seats, that they decided to get back to work.

padd b1975

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I presume Martin ‘The Man with the Van’ Ferris is retiring as well. What about Dessie Ellis I wonder?

Dessie 'average industrial wage' Ellis is running again I believe.

bladespin

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

They’ve a gibbering illiterate in the Dáil.

Well the same could be said of a lot of others lol, our political elite are some bunch of clowns really.

FrancieBrady

NIMAN wrote: »

Yeah had a giggle with the SF finance minister Conor Murphy yesterday.

He was chatting about how Boris had offered them X amount of money, but he said it was falling way short.

He had the cheek to say "we have honoured our commitments getting the executive back up and running ....."

Yeah, after 1000 days of doing sweet FA...and it was only the threat of an election when they would lose more seats, that they decided to get back to work.

Again naive and ignoring that there was a deal very similar to this one done ages ago and a DUP emboldened by their sordid deal with the Tories walked away from it.

Stormont didn't come back because of impending elections (we had elections while Stormont was down) Stormont is back because the Tories don't need the DUP anymore.

Was the SoS loudly and publicly laying the blame at the feet of the DUP for the delay not evidence enough of what was happening?

Tazz T

L1011 wrote: »

Just the largest bank robbery in NIs history. Its a lot more recent than 1998 that activity ceased.

A mere drop in the ocean compared to the €64 billion bank robbery carried out by FF in 2008.

tayto lover

Skylinehead wrote: »

They can. Diesel has been known to be dirtier than petrol for decades. The Greens blindly went on a CO2 crusade (and diesel, lying by car companies or not, does emit less of that than petrol) while completely ignoring nitrogen dioxide and the other poisons thrown out in quantity by diesels.

You’d think they’d have done their homework in advance.

FrancieBrady

tayto lover wrote: »

You’d think they’d have done their homework in advance.

I think we need a real 'green' party. What we have as the Green party here, is a bunch of trendy bandwagoners.
They parachuted a candidate in here a few years back to test the waters. Like Peter Casey, they want the big job without feeling the need to do any grassroots level work.

tayto lover

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think we need a real 'green' party. What we have as the Green party here, is a bunch of trendy bandwagoners.
They parachuted a candidate in here a few years back to test the waters. Like Peter Casey, they want the big job without feeling the need to do any grassroots level work.

Agree Francie but I made a bit of money on Casey.

NIMAN

Surely a true 'green' party should be calling for little economic growth, huge increases in taxes to stop burning fossil fuels, less cars on the road, less consumerism etc?

Hardly stuff that's going to win you seats in an election.

tayto lover

NIMAN wrote: »

Surely a true 'green' party should be calling for little economic growth, huge increases in taxes to stop burning fossil fuels, less cars on the road, less consumerism etc?

Hardly stuff that's going to win you seats in an election.

To me they seem like a rabble with individual ideas of their own. Nothing costed or tested.

maccored

Is this the standard 'An election is coming, lets predict SF's demise' thread? After all the other threads, they're still around

L1011 wrote:

Just the largest bank robbery in NIs history. Its a lot more recent than 1998 that activity ceased.

Amazing stunt pulled by the british in order to save Trimble meeting SF that month. 50,000 in an RUC leisure centre and absolutely nothing ever produced to point at the IRA

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Again naive and ignoring that there was a deal very similar to this one done ages ago and a DUP emboldened by their sordid deal with the Tories walked away from it.

Stormont didn't come back because of impending elections (we had elections while Stormont was down) Stormont is back because the Tories don't need the DUP anymore.

Was the SoS loudly and publicly laying the blame at the feet of the DUP for the delay not evidence enough of what was happening?

Deal wasn't done until Varadkar and the Brits rolled into town.

Fact is Sinn Fein needed the outside help.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Deal wasn't done until Varadkar and the Brits rolled into town.

Fact is Sinn Fein needed the outside help.

Both had been in 'town' several times before. Weren't they enroute to Belfast before but had to cancel when the DUP walked?

If you were too politically naive to realise what Smith was doing when he called the DUP specifically for being the blockage, then I cannot help you here.

2020Vision

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both had been in 'town' several times before. Weren't they enroute to Belfast before but had to cancel when the DUP walked?

If you were too politically naive to realise what Smith was doing when he called the DUP specifically for being the blockage, then I cannot help you here.

As an avid follower of SF affairs north of the border, Francie, maybe you could clarify the following for this outsider, please:

Given that Marty McGuinness claimed to have pulled the plug on the last Stormont Assembly because of Arlene's involvement in the cash for ash scandal, what is included in the latest Stormont deal which will address this serious matter? Or has Sinn Fein rolled over on this one?

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Both had been in 'town' several times before. Weren't they enroute to Belfast before but had to cancel when the DUP walked?

If you were too politically naive to realise what Smith was doing when he called the DUP specifically for being the blockage, then I cannot help you here.

Are you suggesting that the British parent (Tories) needed to bring the squabbling Northern Irish children (DUP and SF) to heel so that they could play nicely together. Even though one child (SF) claimed to be behaving nicely even though they were saying nasty things about the other child, they still needed parental involvement to behave appropriately?

FrancieBrady

2020Vision wrote: »

As an avid follower of SF affairs north of the border, Francie, maybe you could clarify the following for this outsider, please:

Given that Marty McGuinness claimed to have pulled the plug on the last Stormont Assembly because of Arlene's involvement in the cash for ash scandal, what is included in the latest Stormont deal which will address this serious matter? Or has Sinn Fein rolled over on this one?

In my understanding McGuinness walked away because the final straw (it wasn't a single issue) was that Foster would not stand aside to allow an inquiry take place.

There has been an inquiry while the Executive was gone and we await the report. Not sure what else could have been addressed in the deal.

maccored

2020Vision wrote: »

As an avid follower of SF affairs north of the border, Francie, maybe you could clarify the following for this outsider, please:

Given that Marty McGuinness claimed to have pulled the plug on the last Stormont Assembly because of Arlene's involvement in the cash for ash scandal, what is included in the latest Stormont deal which will address this serious matter? Or has Sinn Fein rolled over on this one?

you raise a valid point - it seems the DUP once again get a get out of jail free card in order to get stormont open.

If they 'rolled over' it was because they had a clear mandate to get stormont back in action from their voters. lets see what happens once the report comes out (if it does) because Arlene has questions to answer

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the British parent (Tories) needed to bring the squabbling Northern Irish children (DUP and SF) to heel so that they could play nicely together. Even though one child (SF) claimed to be behaving nicely even though they were saying nasty things about the other child, they still needed parental involvement to behave appropriately?

I think the Tories showed what they would do if the DUP wouldn't swallow hard and do a very similar deal that was in place before.

Deals with Unionists follow very similar patterns to children's behaviour actually. It's NEVER NEVER NEVER until you show you are serious about the 'easy way or the hard way'.
Legislating for Same Sex marriage and Abortion rights was the first lesson...blaming them specifically for the blockage was the second.

Speaking of saying 'nasty things' wait until you get a load of FF/FG in the next month or so!

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that the British parent (Tories) needed to bring the squabbling Northern Irish children (DUP and SF) to heel so that they could play nicely together. Even though one child (SF) claimed to be behaving nicely even though they were saying nasty things about the other child, they still needed parental involvement to behave appropriately?

I think the fact you are comparing such a complicated issue as the north to a family squabble says a lot about your understanding of these things

golfball37

They went back to Stormont because the alternative was an election that would hurt both SF and DUP imo. Lets not kid ourselves it was for any benevolent or altruistic reasons.

maccored

golfball37 wrote: »

They went back to Stormont because the alternative was an election that would hurt both SF and DUP imo. Lets not kid ourselves it was for any benevolent or altruistic reasons.

like the general election last month?