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What will happen to sinn fein after this election.

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    #122
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maccored wrote: »
    you raise a valid point - it seems the DUP once again get a get out of jail free card in order to get stormont open.

    If they 'rolled over' it was because they had a clear mandate to get stormont back in action from their voters. lets see what happens once the report comes out (if it does) because Arlene has questions to answer

    If the report has been shelved then it must contain equally as bad stuff on SF, SDLP the Alliance and virtually all political entities in NI.

    Why would the other parties stay silent about it?


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    #123
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    maccored wrote: »
    like the general election last month?

    The one in which they lost more votes than the DUP?


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    #124
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The one in which they lost more votes than the DUP?

    was it not an election? by golly but i think it was. therefore what election were they avoiding (was the point i was making but sure work away at distorting that)


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    #125
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    maccored wrote: »
    I think the fact you are comparing such a complicated issue as the north to a family squabble says a lot about your understanding of these things

    There is nothing as complicated as a family squabble.


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    #126
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If the report has been shelved then it must contain equally as bad stuff on SF, SDLP the Alliance and virtually all political entities in NI.

    Why would the other parties stay silent about it?

    did Coghlin release it to parties as yet? Didnt realise he had


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    #127
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    maccored wrote: »
    was it not an election? by golly but i think it was. therefore what election were they avoiding (was the point i was making but sure work away at distorting that)

    Understand now.

    Well, it is clear what was being avoided. Both the DUP and SF got hammered in the recent general election, and were facing further significant losses in Assembly elections, so a deal was a much better place for both of them.


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    #128
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    blanch152 wrote: »
    There is nothing as complicated as a family squabble.

    ah go away with that rubbish. theres no similarities whatsoever


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    #129
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Understand now.

    Well, it is clear what was being avoided. Both the DUP and SF got hammered in the recent general election, and were facing further significant losses in Assembly elections, so a deal was a much better place for both of them.

    SF already had a deal almost 18 months ago but let's ignore that because perish the thought, republicans might 'seem to be the more reasonable' and we cannot refer to themun's being all the same. We couldn't have that going into an election in the south. I can hear FG and FF reps being schooled already.

    Bizarre stuff again blanch.


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    #130
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maccored wrote: »
    did Coghlin release it to parties as yet? Didnt realise he had

    No.
    But the point is, why would the other parties stay silent on it not being published? Unless they are all afraid what it will reveal about them.


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    #131
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,971 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    SF already had a deal almost 18 months ago


    That was a different deal to this one.


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    #132
    2020Vision
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭2020Vision


    maccored wrote: »
    you raise a valid point - it seems the DUP once again get a get out of jail free card in order to get stormont open.

    If they 'rolled over' it was because they had a clear mandate to get stormont back in action from their voters. lets see what happens once the report comes out (if it does) because Arlene has questions to answer

    Indeed. But I find it curious that a principled Party like Sinn Fein didn't appear to have any problem with someone with "questions to answer" being appointed as First Minister.


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    #133
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,356 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    maccored wrote: »
    I think the fact you are comparing such a complicated issue as the north to a family squabble says a lot about your understanding of these things

    I thought it was an excellent analogy.....


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    #134
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    No.
    But the point is, why would the other parties stay silent on it not being published? Unless they are all afraid what it will reveal about them.

    get you now. Im not too worried what it says tbh - I just want to see if Arlene gets the blame she's due


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    #135
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    walshb wrote: »
    I thought it was an excellent analogy.....

    good for you


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    #136
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    2020Vision wrote: »
    Indeed. But I find it curious that a principled Party like Sinn Fein didn't appear to have any problem with someone with "questions to answer" being appointed as First Minister.

    personally i did


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    #137
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That was a different deal to this one.

    Marginally.


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    #138
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    2020Vision wrote: »
    Indeed. But I find it curious that a principled Party like Sinn Fein didn't appear to have any problem with someone with "questions to answer" being appointed as First Minister.

    She 'answered the questions', now we need to see what a judge has to say about that.

    If she is heavily criticised I am sure she will be asked by more than SF to consider her position. Don't you?


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    #139
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,555 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    What is SF going on with up in Cavan/Monaghan.

    It appears, and I may not be fully informed,that Matt Carty only elected as an MEP a few months ago, has declared for the current GE as a canditate for Cavan Monaghan.

    Does this mean that if Mr Carty is elected his MEP seat goes to some unelected SF person.

    Is this not a complete disrespect of the electorate up there and a disrespect for the MEP position.

    If I am correct I would certainly not vote for a canditate who pulls a stunt like that.

    And I am aware that other parties have done similar sleight of hand operations.

    Time for the voters to wake up, and not be taken for fools.

    Something wrong with this kind of stuff.


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    #140
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    What is SF going on with up in Cavan/Monaghan.

    It appears, and I may not be fully informed,that Matt Carty only elected as an MEP a few months ago, has declared for the current GE as a canditate for Cavan Monaghan.

    Does this mean that if Mr Carty is elected his MEP seat goes to some unelected SF person.

    Is this not a complete disrespect of the electorate up there and a disrespect for the MEP position.

    If I am correct I would certainly not vote for a canditate who pulls a stunt like that.

    And I am aware that other parties have done similar sleight of hand operations.

    Time for the voters to wake up, and not be taken for fools.

    Something wrong with this kind of stuff.

    Not a fan of the dual mandate myself and I think it should trigger another election if something like this happens.

    This was put to Carty strongly, over and over again during the Euro's. He refused to say whether he would run in the next GE but I doubt there was a single person in the constituency here who doubted that he would.

    He didn't lie, he just didn't answer the question with a yes or a no.


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    #141
    saabsaab
    Registered Users Posts: 8,208 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Labour could make a comeback if SF declines? the middling left vote has to go somewhere.


    I don't think so, many will remember the last time and will see it as a proxy vote for FG.


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    #142
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users Posts: 19,555 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not a fan of the dual mandate myself and I think it should trigger another election if something like this happens.

    This was put to Carty strongly, over and over again during the Euro's. He refused to say whether he would run in the next GE but I doubt there was a single person in the constituency here who doubted that he would.

    He didn't lie, he just didn't answer the question with a yes or a no.

    I’d prefer that the successful candidate serves the full term and is disbarred from being a candidate in other elections for that period.

    Why waste taxpayers money with another election?

    How is the auld knee Francie, good as new hopefully?


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    #143
    NovemberWren
    Registered Users Posts: 374 ✭✭NovemberWren


    Sinn Fein are the globalist toerags of Tesco, Homebase, Harvey norman, etc.etc., every English conglomerate (and global), that they can make a pretext niche of flattering.
    They position themselves with these; and, with this unsound alliance, they braggart and sway, to facilitate a few unskilled jobs; for their Own local votes; and themselves.
    Even the remotest local dissent from this Will be checked.
    They are true to English money.


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    #144
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    NovemberWren wrote: »
    Sinn Fein are the globalist toerags of Tesco, Homebase, Harvey norman, etc.etc., every English conglomerate (and global), that they can make a pretext niche of flattering.
    They position themselves with these; and, with this unsound alliance, they braggart and sway, to facilitate a few unskilled jobs; for their Own local votes; and themselves.
    Even the remotest local dissent from this Will be checked.
    They are true to English money.

    what rubbish


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    #145
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Brendan Bendar wrote: »
    I’d prefer that the successful candidate serves the full term and is disbarred from being a candidate in other elections for that period.

    Why waste taxpayers money with another election?

    How is the auld knee Francie, good as new hopefully?

    Well, democracy is never a waste Brendi, in my book.

    Maybe some system of co-opting the next lowest vote in their place? Saying as it is a resignation from the position.

    But I fancy there wouldn't be many political parties would go for that across all bodies (EU, Dail etc)


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    #146
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    maccored wrote: »
    what rubbish

    Your lucky...I couldn't make head nor tail of it. :)


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    2020Vision
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭2020Vision


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She 'answered the questions', now we need to see what a judge has to say about that.

    If she is heavily criticised I am sure she will be asked by more than SF to consider her position. Don't you?

    My opinion isn't really relevant, seeing as I'm residing in a different polity.

    However Sinn Fein's is, and I remain puzzled as to how someone who was so unacceptable to them 3 years ago that they pulled the plug because she wouldn't step aside is now acceptable, although the cash for ash issue remains unresolved. Perhaps it was the trade-off of an Irish Language Act for Arlene that swung it!


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    #148
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,179 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    2020Vision wrote: »
    My opinion isn't really relevant, seeing as I'm residing in a different polity.

    However Sinn Fein's is, and I remain puzzled as to how someone who was so unacceptable to them 3 years ago that they pulled the plug because she wouldn't step aside is now acceptable, although the cash for ash issue remains unresolved. Perhaps it was the trade-off of an Irish Language Act for Arlene that swung it!

    Maybe, I don't know tbh.

    Knowing how these things work here and in every other jurisdiction I don't think the sanction will be that great on Arlene anyhow. If that is what it was then getting the Unionists to agree to the Irish language measures (which the wouldn't countenance before, then it was a compromise worth making. Arlene is the walking wounded anyhow.


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    #149
    Water John
    Registered Users Posts: 21,524 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    It's not because she is politically, walking wounded, that she is walking the way she does, these days, IYKWIM.


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    #150
    2020Vision
    Closed Accounts Posts: 86 ✭✭2020Vision


    Water John wrote: »
    It's not because she is politically, walking wounded, that she is walking the way she does, these days, IYKWIM.

    Unfortunately IDKWYM. :(


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    #151
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    joe40 wrote: »
    It has been over 20 years since the good Friday agreement, and there have been no terrorist type activities linked to Sinn Fein or condoned by Sinn Fein since then.

    20 years after the civil war and war of independence opposing parties were in government. 20 years after wwII where millions perished the opposing countries were able to form the EEC.

    Constantly harking back to the NI troubles is tiresome, it has been 20 years, time to move on.

    How many people are critical of everything Sinn Fein related as a result of NI, and activities of the past.

    As a political party they should be judged solely on current policies.
    They still have brilliant ideas like abolishing the Special Criminal Court and talking up a border poll.


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