Solving the “middle lane hoggers” problem.

Quantum Erasure

any time I drive the M50 it's busy enough that you'd only be pulling in and out of other drivers braking zones if you changed lanes every time you should, so I just pick a lane and stick to it

tuxy

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

any time I drive the M50 it's busy enough that you'd only be pulling in and out of other drivers braking zones if you changed lanes every time you should, so I just pick a lane and stick to it

This is fair enough, the M50 is so far beyond capacity at rust hour that you can not drive like you normally should.

However that does not excuse people driving like this when it is not over capacity.

Millionaire only not

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This x100000000000
The time, effort, inconvenience and money that went into expanding M7 to a 3 lane motorway, and only 2 lanes are ever used. It’s mind boggling the culture we have here. You’re in the minority if you use the driving lane.

To legally overtake you have to do 4 lane changes. Why did they bother expanding it. At least expand it and include signs that say keep left

U wudnt be long using tubes in England and u learn to stand on the right !

ldeayton

I drive in the UK where most of the motorways are 3 lane, and people hogging the middle lane effectively reduces the motorway to 2 lanes and causes significant bottlenecks in the flow of traffic. If the left lane is empty drive in it and particularly if a driver wishes to drive slower than the flow of traffic they should move over. Motorways can be disconcerting for many drivers and I appreciate that constantly over taking slow trucks is annoying but that doesn’t warrant the right to drive in the middle lane. Unlike the US we can only overtake to the right and not the kerbside, save for limited circumstances.

The only solution is Highway Police but they can’t be monitoring all drivers at all times. Motorway driving needs to be a compulsory part of the driving test or learner syllabus.

blue note

I'd generally drive in the middle lane. If I'm in the left lane I have double the chance of coming up to someone going well below the speed limit, because I pretty much never undertake. So if I meet someone going 80 in the middle lane I've to slow down to merge into their lane, then go into the right lane to overtake him, then back across two lanes to get back into the left lane and there's always a decent chance of someone coming up inside him at 110 into the lane I'm looking to go back into.

Also, in busy traffic merging in and out of the middle lane to overtake people can be a nuisance. You might end up slowing down to 60 and unable to overtake because there's a line of traffic in the middle lane. That's frustrating.

A two lane issue, but what really annoys me is when I'm in the driving lane on a motorway doing 120 and I meet some ar$ehole doing 100 in the overtaking lane. So I slow down so that I don't undertake him, but if someone has gone behind him I can't go into the overtaking behind the 100 driver. I'll leave him room to come back in in front of me, but it usually takes forever for him to do so. Eventually they usually feel the pressure of the person behind them, but it can take forever.

What are people's views on flashing the lights at people to ask them to move in? I think it makes sense, but i know some people don't like it.

Millionaire only not

ldeayton wrote: »

I drive in the UK where most of the motorways are 3 lane, and people hogging the middle lane effectively reduces the motorway to 2 lanes and causes significant bottlenecks in the flow of traffic. If the left lane is empty drive in it and particularly if a driver wishes to drive slower than the flow of traffic they should move over. Motorways can be disconcerting for many drivers and I appreciate that constantly over taking slow trucks is annoying but that doesn’t warrant the right to drive in the middle lane. Unlike the US we can only overtake to the right and not the kerbside, save for limited circumstances.

But Ireland has only the m50 with 3 lanes !
That’s problem in Ireland wether it’s delebrate or not not to build big enough!

The first upgrade from limerick to Dublin involved the switch over lane for alternate overtaking! Ie. 3 lanes in total plus an added safety lane that’s rarely used !
What a joke for sake of another 7/8 feet to give it 4 lanes like today !
Now how much did that upgrade to what we have today cost , such losers in this country!

Millionaire only not

blue note wrote: »

I'd generally drive in the middle lane. If I'm in the left lane I have double the chance of coming up to someone going well below the speed limit, because I pretty much never undertake. So if I meet someone going 80 in the middle lane I've to slow down to merge into their lane, then go into the right lane to overtake him, then back across two lanes to get back into the left lane and there's always a decent chance of someone coming up inside him at 110 into the lane I'm looking to go back into.

Also, in busy traffic merging in and out of the middle lane to overtake people can be a nuisance. You might end up slowing down to 60 and unable to overtake because there's a line of traffic in the middle lane. That's frustrating.

A two lane issue, but what really annoys me is when I'm in the driving lane on a motorway doing 120 and I meet some ar$ehole doing 100 in the overtaking lane. So I slow down so that I don't undertake him, but if someone has gone behind him I can't go into the overtaking behind the 100 driver. I'll leave him room to come back in in front of me, but it usually takes forever for him to do so. Eventually they usually feel the pressure of the person behind them, but it can take forever.

What are people's views on flashing the lights at people to ask them to move in? I think it makes sense, but i know some people don't like it.

Right close flash lights and the dirty look !
Lol
Try it with tommy tiernans friends they love hogging up the road with there vans !

And as for racing there pony’s on the tipp/ limerick road they really act the maggot

ldeayton

blue note wrote: »

I'd generally drive in the middle lane. If I'm in the left lane I have double the chance of coming up to someone going well below the speed limit, because I pretty much never undertake. So if I meet someone going 80 in the middle lane I've to slow down to merge into their lane, then go into the right lane to overtake him, then back across two lanes to get back into the left lane and there's always a decent chance of someone coming up inside him at 110 into the lane I'm looking to go back into.

Also, in busy traffic merging in and out of the middle lane to overtake people can be a nuisance. You might end up slowing down to 60 and unable to overtake because there's a line of traffic in the middle lane. That's frustrating.

A two lane issue, but what really annoys me is when I'm in the driving lane on a motorway doing 120 and I meet some ar$ehole doing 100 in the overtaking lane. So I slow down so that I don't undertake him, but if someone has gone behind him I can't go into the overtaking behind the 100 driver. I'll leave him room to come back in in front of me, but it usually takes forever for him to do so. Eventually they usually feel the pressure of the person behind them, but it can take forever.

What are people's views on flashing the lights at people to ask them to move in? I think it makes sense, but i know some people don't like it.

This is the fundamental problem, overtaking across two lanes is dangerous at 120km p/h and why middle lane hogging is just as dangerous as a driver going too fast and aggressively pushing their way through traffic.
Flashing a driver may highlight to them that they are inadvertently hogging the middle lane and they may move over but that could also confuse them and exacerbate the situation. I’m not sure how the police would take this - they may consider it an aggressive tactic and penalise “the flasher”. It can also lead to road rage.
When I had a company car in the UK we had to do a day of referesher training to iron out our driving faults, how to drive efficiently (block gear change) and safely and of course a lot of time was spent on the motorway.

tuxy

Millionaire only not wrote: »

But Ireland has only the m50 with 3 lanes !

It sounds like your doing your bit for the environment by not driving very far

tuxy

ldeayton wrote: »

Flashing a driver may highlight to them that they are inadvertently hogging the middle lane and they may move over but that could also confuse them and exacerbate the situation. I’m not sure how the police would take this - they may consider it an aggressive tactic and penalise “the flasher”. It can also lead to road rage.

I suspect that right overtaking lane hoggers are arseholes who think it is ok because they are doing the speed limit or close to.
Middle overtaking lane are clueless and have no idea what they are doing, so I doubt you could get them to move by signaling.

I guess all we can do in the short term is not extend anymore motorways as the driving lane will not be used. As I said, complete waste of time and money.

Rush hour on the M7 has most cars in the right lane about half as many in the middle and only a few in the driving lane.
I could make great progress darting up the empty driving lane but undertaking that many cars is far too risky.

_Kaiser_

blue note wrote: »

A two lane issue, but what really annoys me is when I'm in the driving lane on a motorway doing 120 and I meet some ar$ehole doing 100 in the overtaking lane. So I slow down so that I don't undertake him, but if someone has gone behind him I can't go into the overtaking behind the 100 driver. I'll leave him room to come back in in front of me, but it usually takes forever for him to do so. Eventually they usually feel the pressure of the person behind them, but it can take forever.

What are people's views on flashing the lights at people to ask them to move in? I think it makes sense, but i know some people don't like it.

The answer there is to read the road and pull into the overtaking lane on approach (and before the hypothetical other car gets there). Wait a few seconds to see if the dawdler gets the point, and if not, a flash of the lights with a flick of the right indicator normally gets the message across.

If they don't like it, then they shouldn't be dawdling in the outside lane at 20 km/h below the limit.

I'm a firm believer that if someone won't or can't drive at the limit or speed of surrounding traffic on a motorway when there's no reason not to, then they should stick to the secondary roads.

If you find yourself regularly being overtaken by 90% of other drivers, or trucks and coaches (for whom overtaking on a motorway is a far more involved affair) then you're doing it wrong!

tuxy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The answer there is to read the road and pull into the overtaking lane on approach (and before the hypothetical other car gets there). Wait a few seconds to see if the dawdler gets the point, and if not, a flash of the lights with a flick of the right indicator normally gets the message across.

And the same for people hogging a middle overtaking lane?
I can't use the indicator as that would imply I want to mover to the right lane.
Do you think flashing the lights would be sufficient?

Millionaire only not

tuxy wrote: »

It sounds like your doing your bit for the environment by not driving very far

Were usually 20 years behind Dublin down here south as Leo and company spend it all up there !

_Kaiser_

tuxy wrote: »

And the same for people hogging a middle overtaking lane?
I can't use the indicator as that would imply I want to mover to the right lane.
Do you think flashing the lights would be sufficient?

For middle lane dwellers, I just overtake and forget them to be honest. The only thing that would prevent that is if there was heavy traffic in lane 3 in which case you might be as well staying put anyway.

tuxy

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

For middle lane dwellers, I just overtake and forget them to be honest. The only thing that would prevent that is if there was heavy traffic in lane 3 in which case you might be as well staying put anyway.

This usually leaves the driving lane empty, should it continue to be ignored by Irish drivers?

_Kaiser_

tuxy wrote: »

This usually leaves the driving lane empty, should it continue to be ignored by Irish drivers?

The only time that the driving lane would be empty is off peak at night or early morning, in which case as I said they're not causing an obstruction anyway. One can get annoyed about it or just overtake and leave them at it.

During heavier traffic all lanes become driving lanes in reality. In those conditions I usually stay in lane 3 until approaching my exit - only one lane of traffic to worry about as opposed to both sides or merging/exit lanes.

I really don't see the problem for the reasons above.

Quantum Erasure

tuxy wrote: »

This is fair enough, the M50 is so far beyond capacity at rush hour that you can not drive like you normally should..

It wouldn't be at rush-hour that I'd be driving it, mostly, but still busy enough that there'd be constant traffic, albeit travelling at or around 100.

on a quieter motorway/ dual carraigeway I'd have no problem undertaking a lane hogger, i'd just be extra vigilant for any sign they'd pull out infront of me

s7ryf3925pivug

https://www.theaa.ie/blog/how-to-drive-on-a-motorway/

The middle lane isn't for overtaking only. You can drive in it if the leftmost lane is full. It can be used as an overflow lane for the driving lane.

pablo128

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

It wouldn't be at rush-hour that I'd be driving it, mostly, but still busy enough that there'd be constant traffic, albeit travelling at or around 100.

on a quieter motorway/ dual carraigeway I'd have no problem undertaking a lane hogger, i'd just be extra vigilant for any sign they'd pull out infront of me

If they pull into your lane on top of you they are 100% at fault. It's up to the person changing lane to ensure they do it safely. Get a dash cam if you are concerned they would try to blame you.

sameoldname

tuxy wrote: »

This usually leaves the driving lane empty, should it continue to be ignored by Irish drivers?

I tend to find that anything related to driving in this country just leads you to think yourself a crazy person for having the audacity to even attempt to use the roads correctly. I'm genuinely amazed that our road fatalities are as low as they are considering that 50% of drivers seem to have no idea what they're doing and the rest of us sure as hell can't figure it out either.

twowheelsonly

anacc wrote: »

Just last week I got stuck behind a traffic corps car cruising along at 80kph in the middle lane of the N40 while the left lane was empty and the right lane was held up by someone going about 1kph faster than the cop car. Very frustrating when the people who are supposed to police the road don't even know the rules of the road.

95%+ of that road is only two lane ?? Anywhere there's a third lane on that road is leading to a slip road - Bloomfield, Magic Roundabout, Bishopstown ?

The problem with the three lane roads, in particular those in urban areas, is that the junctions and slip roads are fairly close together in most places. I've tried staying on the left on the M50 , M7/M8 but between slow drivers (as in - too slow!!) and drivers cutting in from the too many junctions and slip roads and across the motorway on to the slip road, from one end of the M50 to the other could easily involve 40 or 50 overtaking manoeuvres.
It's fine when the roads are quiet but any volume of traffic at all and it's very frustrating.

_Kaiser_

pablo128 wrote: »

If they pull into your lane on top of you they are 100% at fault. It's up to the person changing lane to ensure they do it safely. Get a dash cam if you are concerned they would try to blame you.

That's all well and good but when you're potentially injured or worse, or dealing with a badly damaged or written off car and the subsequent fun with insurers and valuations, being in the right is little comfort.

It's why I never undertake unless absolutely unavoidable (like being behind a piece of shyte silver boy racer bora I encountered last week that was pumping out enough black smoke that half the car was covered as well as everyone else's).

tuxy

What strategy was employed to try to ensure that all 3 lanes of the extended M7 would be used?
It has failed miserably.
I assume they did expect drivers would use all lanes before they decided to take on the project?

Guy:Incognito

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The only time that the driving lane would be empty is off peak at night or early morning, in which case as I said they're not causing an obstruction anyway. One can get annoyed about it or just overtake and leave them at it.

During heavier traffic all lanes become driving lanes in reality. In those conditions I usually stay in lane 3 until approaching my exit - only one lane of traffic to worry about as opposed to both sides or merging/exit lanes.

I really don't see the problem for the reasons above.

The problem is you now got you and many others now trying to get across 2 lanes to the exit, while a load of other eejits are merging and trying to get across the driving lanes to the middle or outside lane as fast as they can, all the while no one is leaving gaps for cars to merge ,result is the whole thing slows down.

Peoples inability to merge is the issue as much as anything else. The naas road has nothing to stop traffic pretty much till you drive off the edge of the country, yet it backs up because of bad driving and on to the m50. All the cars coming off the m50 insist on stopping to merge right where the hatch Mark's end , despite there being a clear lane for them to drive in to and use to merge. Cars coming off the naas road to go to the bridge at the Lucas do the same. Idiots the lot of them.

This is the same at each junction on the m50, everyone wants to merge on or off the road in the 50m right as the hatch Mark's end, blocking the mainline and the slip back up, leaving a lovely big slip road empty , creating a concertina on the road that will clear after the junction. Again, idiots.

_Kaiser_

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The problem is you now got you and many others now trying to get across 2 lanes to the exit, while a load of other eejits are merging and trying to get across the driving lanes to the middle or outside lane as fast as they can, all the while no one is leaving gaps for cars to merge ,result is the whole thing slows down.

Peoples inability to merge is the issue as much as anything else. The naas road has nothing to stop traffic pretty much till you drive off the edge of the country, yet it backs up because of bad driving and on to the m50. All the cars coming off the m50 insist on stopping to merge right where the hatch Mark's end , despite there being a clear lane for them to drive in to and use to merge. Cars coming off the naas road to go to the bridge at the Lucas do the same. Idiots the lot of them.

Again, unless it's heavy or stop/start traffic where things are moving slower anyway there's not a problem.

Just watch what's going on around you, signal in good time, and don't leave it till the last minute to get into the lane you want and there's no issue.

I'm not being smart with the above. I do over 1000km a week of mostly motorway driving and it's really not that hard if you learn to read the traffic and plan your manoeuvre in advance of doing anything.

tom1ie

Sadb wrote: »

The problem with middle lane driving is that you are often forced to “undertake”. It happens to me almost every single time I drive on a road near me. 3 lanes so I’m driving in the left lane at 100km, some eejit in the middle lane driving at 80km (because they are always driving slower- every- single- time). What do I do? Slow down and drive at 75km so I don’t undertake them? Move out across 2 lanes of traffic to overtake them even though they are in the wrong lane anyway?
How do people think it’s acceptable?

This right here is the problem.
The thing is I don’t think the “edgit” in the middle lane doing 80kph, has any idea he/she is in the wrong.
That’s why I’m putting forward the idea of actually telling them they are in the wrong by putting the paint on the tarmac, or to a lesser extent the use of overhead gantrys.

The J Stands for Jay

Alun wrote: »

The one drives the other though, i.e. a lot of people avoid lane 1 precisely because most drivers don't have a frigging clue as to how to merge properly so end up just barging on at a snail's pace under the mistaken impression that traffic on the mainline has to give way to them.

They believe that the indicator gives right of way. That's why they pull into the side of your car despite the lane being empty behind you.

tom1ie

Deleted User wrote: »

This x100000000000
The time, effort, inconvenience and money that went into expanding M7 to a 3 lane motorway, and only 2 lanes are ever used. It’s mind boggling the culture we have here. You’re in the minority if you use the driving lane.

To legally overtake you have to do 4 lane changes. Why did they bother expanding it. At least expand it and include signs that say keep left

Yes plus paint on the road. I find people pay more attention to a message on the road than road signs.

tom1ie

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

That would be the reality of how the lane is used, as well as by traffic dawdling at 20+ km/h lower than surrounding traffic/the limit for no reason.

Add in merges and exits within close proximity on the M50 and cars constantly joining and leaving the road.

Result : unless you want to be constantly changing lanes, it's easier and safer to just continue at a constant speed matching the other traffic in the outer lanes.

Me, unless it's quiet (in which case it really makes no difference anyway) I cruise between lanes 3 and 2 on the M50/7 and avoid the situation entirely. I don't lane weave, I don't change lanes without looking and indicating first, I watch the surrounding traffic, and I don't dawdle.

Much easier and less stressful.

So you break the rules of the road.
Drive on the left, is the overriding rule.
Lane 2 and 3 are overtaking lanes.
Traffic merging onto the motorway must match their speed with the speed of traffic on the motorway, not the other way around.

beauf

tom1ie wrote: »

This right here is the problem.
The thing is I don’t think the “edgit” in the middle lane doing 80kph, has any idea he/she is in the wrong.
That’s why I’m putting forward the idea of actually telling them they are in the wrong by putting the paint on the tarmac, or to a lesser extent the use ofoverhead gantrys.

The standard of driving is brutal in this country. All day long you see bad driving. Why you cherry pick this?

One of the least annoying things is middle lane hoggers. You can simply overtake them. End of.

tom1ie

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Has landmines been suggested?

If not, I suggest landmines.

On the M50, 90% of the time I'll be going faster than the middle lane, without breaking the speed limit.

In what lane?

beauf

tom1ie wrote: »

In what lane?

In any lane lol

tom1ie

ldeayton wrote: »

I drive in the UK where most of the motorways are 3 lane, and people hogging the middle lane effectively reduces the motorway to 2 lanes and causes significant bottlenecks in the flow of traffic. If the left lane is empty drive in it and particularly if a driver wishes to drive slower than the flow of traffic they should move over. Motorways can be disconcerting for many drivers and I appreciate that constantly over taking slow trucks is annoying but that doesn’t warrant the right to drive in the middle lane. Unlike the US we can only overtake to the right and not the kerbside, save for limited circumstances.

The only solution is Highway Police but they can’t be monitoring all drivers at all times. Motorway driving needs to be a compulsory part of the driving test or learner syllabus.

Also we should let people know they are in the wrong by telling them via paint on the tarmac.

tom1ie

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The only time that the driving lane would be empty is off peak at night or early morning, in which case as I said they're not causing an obstruction anyway. One can get annoyed about it or just overtake and leave them at it.

During heavier traffic all lanes become driving lanes in reality. In those conditions I usually stay in lane 3 until approaching my exit - only one lane of traffic to worry about as opposed to both sides or merging/exit lanes.

I really don't see the problem for the reasons above.

Not so on the n7/m7 where people drive at slow pace in the middle lane and the driving lane is left empty.
It’s not just the m50 we are talking about here.

Sleeper12

tom1ie wrote:

So as the title of this thread suggests I’m putting forward an idea to maybe help with the problem of people driving in the middle lane of a 3 lane motorway when there is no traffic in the left hand driving lane of that motorway. Paint road markings on the middle lane and the outside lane that say “please merge into lane 1 for driving lane. Overtaking lane only.†I’m sure this could be shortened. It should be accompanied by a merge arrow. Would this work? We have a big problem with people not even knowing they are driving incorrectly on 3 lane motorway, so why don’t we tell them when they are on the actual motorway by using the paint coupled with overhead gantrys. Please discuss and tell me why it’s a terrible idea and destined not to work

I don't venture too far out of Dublin but I do a lot of driving for work. I don't see this as a huge problem. I don't imagine we have too many three lane motorways outside of Dublin.

beauf

tom1ie wrote: »

Also we should let people know they are in the wrong by telling them via paint on the tarmac.

Just put an ad on TV and/or Netflix ...

beauf

tom1ie wrote: »

Not so on the n7/m7 where people drive at slow pace in the middle lane and the driving lane is left empty.
It’s not just the m50 we are talking about here.

Why not just overtake them?

Maybe you're not allowed in the overtaking lane is that the issue?

blackbox

People complain about changing lanes, but it is the people who don't change lanes are the problem?
How hard is it?
Mirror, indicate, mirror, manoeuvre.
Some vehicles have to go slower - e.g. vehicles with trailers limited to 80.
Just overtake them - it's not that hard.

Unless, of course, you're using your phone or using the mirror to do your make up.

blue note

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The answer there is to read the road and pull into the overtaking lane on approach (and before the hypothetical other car gets there). Wait a few seconds to see if the dawdler gets the point, and if not, a flash of the lights with a flick of the right indicator normally gets the message across.

If they don't like it, then they shouldn't be dawdling in the outside lane at 20 km/h below the limit.

I'm a firm believer that if someone won't or can't drive at the limit or speed of surrounding traffic on a motorway when there's no reason not to, then they should stick to the secondary roads.

If you find yourself regularly being overtaken by 90% of other drivers, or trucks and coaches (for whom overtaking on a motorway is a far more involved affair) then you're doing it wrong!

I'll obviously go into the overtaking lane early if there's room, but there's often someone speeding in it and I can't very well pull out in front of them.

stoneill

A lot of you should learn the subtle difference between overtaking and passing.

mc25

I'm absolutely no authority on this, because I don't drive around Dublin very often, but usually when I do the left lane is full of lorries, obviously going less than the 100/120km/h.
So am I supposed to drive in that lane and weave between them, including passing the people sitting in the middle lane?
Or do as I treat the two right lanes as I would a normal two-lane road?

The J Stands for Jay

Where the roads change from 2 to 3 lanes should be redesigned. If you are in lane 1 and do nothing, you are suddenly in lane 2.

plodder

I don't really buy this argument that road capacity is fundamentally reduced by MLH. I think people who complain about it, are looking for everyone else (but themselves) to be in the left two lanes. When roads become congested, all space gets used efficiently, and it's at times of peak usage where efficient road use matters. As the blog post from the AA actually says. You shouldn't be driving in the middle lane when the left lane is empty. That is not saying you should be weaving in and out, only using the middle lane for overtaking.

_Kaiser_

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Wouldn't work on something like the M50 where the sheer volume of traffic and number of exits/merges in close proximity mean that all lanes become driving lanes at rush hour. all would do is cause even more lane-hopping than there is now.

Outside of busy periods, it's unnecessary anyway. I always fail to see what the obsession is with middle lane drivers. Just overtake them and be done with it and focus on your own driving.

Because they cause an entire inner lane to be ignored on all other 3 lane motorways, not just the M50.

So you end up with a 2 lane motorway and an entire lane dedicated to entry/exit traffic

plodder

plodder wrote: »

I don't really buy this argument that road capacity is fundamentally reduced by MLH. I think people who complain about it, are looking for everyone else (but themselves) to be in the left two lanes. When roads become congested, all space gets used efficiently, and it's at times of peak usage where efficient road use matters. As the blog post from the AA actually says. You shouldn't be driving in the middle lane when the left lane is empty. That is not saying you should be weaving in and out, only using the middle lane for overtaking.

Drive from Naas to Dublin on a Saturday morning and you'll see that extra traffic slow both overtaking lanes quite easily

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Drive from Naas to Dublin on a Saturday morning and you'll see that extra traffic slow both overtaking lanes quite easily

Is that not an inevitable result of congestion. Surely it would be slower if everyone tries to stay in the left most lane.

tom1ie

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I don't venture too far out of Dublin but I do a lot of driving for work. I don't see this as a huge problem. I don't imagine we have too many three lane motorways outside of Dublin.

M7, n4, m1

tom1ie

beauf wrote: »

The standard of driving is brutal in this country. All day long you see bad driving. Why you cherry pick this?

One of the least annoying things is middle lane hoggers. You can simply overtake them. End of.

Nope. The problem is it reduces the capacity of the motorway as people will not undertake. (it's against the law)

tom1ie

beauf wrote: »

Just put an ad on TV and/or Netflix ...

People ignore that. The best way to get into people's heads is to put it right in front of them. In other words paint the road in front of them.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Is that not an inevitable result of congestion. Surely it would be slower if everyone tries to stay in the left most lane.

No, when you have an entire inner lane empty because a few numpties hog the middle lane.

People, correctly will not overtake on the inner lane. Have to move from lane 1-3 to overtake. Reduces the 3 lane motorway to 2 lanes and they can not, realistically move from 1 to 3 to 1 safely repeatedly.

Compounds it all when trucks now lose their overtaking lane and also have to drive in lane 2, slowing everything down again.