Vegan Death Cult

Thelonious Monk

Also this thing about most soy being produced for human consumption and the run off being used to feed animals...

https://www.canr.msu.edu/news/where_do_all_these_soybeans_go

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/soybeans

https://www.truthordrought.com/soybean-myths

https://globalforestatlas.yale.edu/amazon/land-use/soy

Everything on the internet seems to say a tiny percentage is used for human/biofuel consumption. It's mostly grown to feed animals.

gozunda

Assetbacked wrote: »

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85% of the world's soybeans are crushed into soybean meal and oil. 98% of the soybean meal crushed is then further processed into animal feed. Unless I am missing something, 95% of the 85% is turned into animal feed. Can you clarify?

No worries.

Soya beans are grown primarily for oil extraction and globally is the most valuable food oil on the world market. The main buyers of this oil is China and the far east.

Take a single bean - crush it for its oil and you get approx 15*% (approx) oil. That's the most valuable bit of the bean - gram for gram.

What is left over after oil extraction (approx 85% of that bean) is called soy meal. And 98% of the soy meal is them used for various animal feeds including pet foods. So to put it simply soy beans are grown for oil and the left overs are used for animal feed.

The process is better explained here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/donlayman/status/1188124117230333952?s=19

From the FAO link above

A new study by FAO and published in Global Food Security found that livestock rely primarily on forages, crop residues and by-products that are not edible to humans and that certain production systems contribute directly to global food security, as they produce more highly valuable nutrients for humans, such as proteins, than they consume.

“I came to realize that people are continually exposed to incorrect information about livestock and the environment that is repeated without being challenged, in particular about livestock feed,” says Anne Mottet, Livestock Development Officer at FAO. “There is currently no official and complete international database on what livestock eat. This study contributes to fill this gap and to provide peer-reviewed evidence to better inform policy makers and the public.”...

If not consumed by livestock, crop residues and by-products could quickly become an environmental burden as the human population grows and consumes more and more processed food. 

Thelonious Monk

That Don Layman bloke seems to just post things that are anti plant based diet. This is why I'm beginning to fail to see the point in discussions on the internet. You can just find quacks out there to back up any side of any argument and choose it to be the truth.

s7ryf3925pivug

Great this is now another generic veganism after hours thread.

Need a "Talking sh!t about veganism" subforum.

Or just a blog by Gozunda called 'I ****ing hate vegans, the loudmouthed pricks'.

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Also this thing about most soy being produced for human consumption and the run off being used to feed animals... Everything on the internet seems to say a tiny percentage is used for human/biofuel consumption. It's mostly grown to feed animals.

Run off? What is run off?

Again soy beans are primarily grown for their oil content. What is left over after extraction is soy meal. And yes the amount oil extracted from each bean is indeed small. Not a fan of soy myself tbh.

It remains Soy oil is the most valuable food oil on the planet. It is also the number one oil in terms of production volumes worldwide.

It's really not that hard to understand.

Btw 'this Don Layman bloke' is  Professor of Nutrition (emeritus) University of Illinois.

Thelonious Monk

gozunda wrote: »

Run off? What is run off????

I meant byproduct or whatever. Anyway, on the one hand we have you, a cattle farmer of some sort, saying it's all grown for human consumption, and on the other hand I have the whole internet saying otherwise, apart from those with vested interests in animal farming.
So who knows f*cking anything any more...

IAMAMORON

I find vegans and the concept of veganism terrifying.

Fools.

There is nothing to see here, a totally vegan diet will cause you to lose a lot of weight and it will create deficiencies in your diet. Drinking almond milk will not give you the same nutrition for your ovaries than drinking animal milk.

Eating seeds and fruit will keep you alive, but you should really try to eat more bacon sarnies , with loads of ketchup and scoff the odd steak, it is for your health.

seamus

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find vegans and the concept of veganism terrifying.

Fools.

There is nothing to see here, a totally vegan diet will cause you to lose a lot of weight and it will create deficiencies in your diet. Drinking almond milk will not give you the same nutrition for your ovaries than drinking animal milk.

Eating seeds and fruit will keep you alive, but you should really try to eat more bacon sarnies , with loads of ketchup and scoff the odd steak, it is for your health.

I don't have ovaries, and I could stand to lose some weight.

So I'm golden, right. Thanks!

Deebles McBeebles

Johanna Helpful Backstroke wrote: »

Great this is now another generic veganism after hours thread.

Need a "Talking sh!t about veganism" subforum.

Or just a blog by Gozunda called 'I ****ing hate vegans, the loudmouthed pricks'.

Agree completely that its been done to death. There is an awful lot of uninformed hate for a diet. Its actually not worth reading these threads once you've seen one.

mathie

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I find vegans and the concept of veganism terrifying.

Fools.

There is nothing to see here, a totally vegan diet will cause you to lose a lot of weight and it will create deficiencies in your diet. Drinking almond milk will not give you the same nutrition for your ovaries than drinking animal milk.

"In weight loss, pure calorie counting is what matters most -- not the nutritional value of the food.

The premise held up: On his 'convenience store diet,' he shed 27 pounds in two months."

https://edition.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Eating seeds and fruit will keep you alive, but you should really try to eat more bacon sarnies , with loads of ketchup and scoff the odd steak, it is for your health.

Probably not though

Thelonious Monk

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Agree completely that its been done to death. There is an awful lot of uninformed hate for a diet. Its actually not worth reading these threads once you've seen one.

I've also seen posters comment on vegans that I otherwise had respect for. I remember one poster who I always liked came on and described vegans as "absolute cretins" for no apparent reason. It's bizarre. It's not too dissimilar as the hatred out there for cyclists, they could be in the same venn diagram.

mathie

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've also seen posters comment on vegans that I otherwise had respect for. I remember one poster who I always liked came on and described vegans as "absolute cretins" for no apparent reason. It's bizarre. It's not too dissimilar as the hatred out there for cyclists, they could be in the same venn diagram.

This link will cause them to implode so ...

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I meant byproduct or whatever. Anyway, on the one hand we have you, a cattle farmer of some sort, saying it's all grown for human consumption, and on the other hand I have the whole internet saying otherwise, unless they have vested interests in animal farming.
So who knows f*cking anything any more...

And again you are incorrect. But no matter. But yes its an area I have studied in depth thanks.

But yes soy is grown for oil. That oil gets extracted and what is left over gets fed to animals.

Your 'whole internet' is a random google of websites some of which are vegan ones lol. Good work there btw

And yes the information is derived from an actual industry source - but hey believe yourself if you wish. I have no hand in soy oil growing or otherwise

And I'm not a fan of soy btw. Interestingly whilst the biggest proportion of soy is grown in the United Stares - I am against it being grown in the Amazon.

But don't let any of that impact on the constant anti farming tirade found in your comments

Effects

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

Google not working for you?

Why would I use google to back up your claims? Can't you help me out seeing as you know all about it and I don't?

the beer revolu

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've also seen posters comment on vegans that I otherwise had respect for. I remember one poster who I always liked came on and described vegans as "absolute cretins" for no apparent reason. It's bizarre. It's not too dissimilar as the hatred out there for cyclists, they could be in the same venn diagram.

I suspect a venn diagram of:

People who hate vegans.
People who hate cyclists.
People who think alcohol breath tests in the morning are unfair.

Big common crossover, I think.

Deebles McBeebles

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've also seen posters comment on vegans that I otherwise had respect for. I remember one poster who I always liked came on and described vegans as "absolute cretins" for no apparent reason. It's bizarre. It's not too dissimilar as the hatred out there for cyclists, they could be in the same venn diagram.

Maybe its health. People hate healthy people as much as they hate the fat ones using foodbanks :pac:

I think what rubs people up the wrong way about the vegans is the self righteous pontification aspect of it..

Kind of the same as the green agenda, and the "progressives"..

I'd kind of wanted to move towards cutting down on meat anyway myself a couple of times, but that video is just disturbing..yeah, people are saying these are only a few, but the deterioration is pretty visible..

Unearthly

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

I've also seen posters comment on vegans that I otherwise had respect for. I remember one poster who I always liked came on and described vegans as "absolute cretins" for no apparent reason. It's bizarre. It's not too dissimilar as the hatred out there for cyclists, they could be in the same venn diagram.

I am both. I'm wondering what else I could do just to annoy after hours even more for the laugh.

Perhaps i could go on the dole and become a male feminist

Thelonious Monk

gozunda wrote: »

And again you are incorrect. But no matter. But yes its an area I have studied in depth thanks.

But yes soy is grown for oil. That oil gets extracted and what is eft over gets fed to animals.

Your 'whole internet' btw is a random google of websites some of which are vegan websites lol. Good work there btw

And yes the information is derived from an actual industry source - but hey believe yourself if you wish. I have no hand in soy oil growing or otherwise

And I'm not a fan of soy btw. Interestingly whilst the biggest proportion of soy is grown in the United Stares - I am against it being grown in the Amazon.

But don't let any of that impact on the constant anti farming tirade found in your comments

Well I don't believe you for a second. You posted a Twitter link above from someone where every one of his tweets is anti-plant diet. It's fine, it's your livelihood.
It would be nice to get a definitive answer on soy growth once and for all however.

mathie

gozunda wrote: »

And again you are incorrect. But no matter. But yes its an area I have studied in depth thanks.

But yes soy is grown for oil. That oil gets extracted and what is eft over gets fed to animals.

Your 'whole internet' btw is a random google of websites some of which are vegan websites lol. Good work there btw

And yes the information is derived from an actual industry source - but hey believe yourself if you wish. I have no hand in soy oil growing or otherwise

And I'm not a fan of soy btw. Interestingly whilst the biggest proportion of soy is grown in the United Stares - I am against it being grown in the Amazon.

But don't let any of that impact on the constant anti farming tirade found in your comments

It's not just soy that's used to feed livestock though.

The ratios below are the crux of the issue.

An environmental analyst and longtime critic of waste and inefficiency in agricultural practices, Pimentel depicted grain-fed livestock farming as a costly and nonsustainable way to produce animal protein. He distinguished grain-fed meat production from pasture-raised livestock, calling cattle-grazing a more reasonable use of marginal land.

Animal protein production requires more than eight times as much fossil-fuel energy than production of plant protein while yielding animal protein that is only 1.4 times more nutritious for humans than the comparable amount of plant protein, according to the Cornell ecologist's analysis.

Tracking food animal production from the feed trough to the dinner table, Pimentel found broiler chickens to be the most efficient use of fossil energy, and beef, the least. Chicken meat production consumes energy in a 4:1 ratio to protein output; beef cattle production requires an energy input to protein output ratio of 54:1. (Lamb meat production is nearly as inefficient at 50:1, according to the ecologist's analysis of U.S. Department of Agriculture statistics. Other ratios range from 13:1 for turkey meat and 14:1 for milk protein to 17:1 for pork and 26:1 for eggs.)

https://news.cornell.edu/stories/1997/08/us-could-feed-800-million-people-grain-livestock-eat

sabat

I'd say a lot of those people have eating disorders for which veganism provides a cover.

gozunda

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Agree completely that its been done to death. There is an awful lot of uninformed hate for a diet. Its actually not worth reading these threads once you've seen one.

Aggreed its the amount of absolute ****e being pushed as fact which has been done to death.

As for the 'hate' .... easy to see which group is pushing that despite the usual screaming and claims to the contrary

Interesting that you would comment on vegans being attacked in this thread and when that is done to other posters for no other reason than aggression - they get a thanks from you and others. But hey well done

DeeblesMcBeebles, SaintLeibowitz, seamus, Unearthly & etc

You are great bunch of lads for sure!

Deebles McBeebles

Johanna Helpful Backstroke wrote: »

Great this is now another generic veganism after hours thread.

Need a "Talking sh!t about veganism" subforum.

Or just a blog by Gozunda called 'I ****ing hate vegans, the loudmouthed pricks'.

I assume thats the post you're talking about ^^^

gozunda wrote: »

Aggreed its the amount of absolute ****e being pushed as fact which has been done to death.

Interesting that you would comment on vegans being attacked in this thread and when that is done to other posters for no other reason than aggression - they get a thanks from you and others. But hey well done CQD, Deebles McBeebles & seamus. You are great bunch of lads for sure!

I thanked it for the first 2 lines, which is made clear in my response. I'm not on your side of the argument as such but I haven't attacked you. If you feel attacked by one post imagine how vegans feel reading 90% of these threads.

Unearthly

sabat wrote: »

I'd say a lot of those people have eating disorders for which veganism provides a cover.

I am getting close to winning the vegan myth bingo

Just need someone to say where do they get their protein

gozunda

mathie wrote: »

It's not just soy that's used to feed livestock though.

The ratios below are the crux of the issue.

Yes you are correct it's not just left over soy meal - this from the FAO again.

A new study by FAO and published in Global Food Security found that livestock rely primarily on forages, crop residues and by-products that are not edible to humans and that certain production systems contribute directly to global food security, as they produce more highly valuable nutrients for humans, such as proteins, than they consume.

“I came to realize that people are continually exposed to incorrect information about livestock and the environment that is repeated without being challenged, in particular about livestock feed,” ...

This study determines that 86% of livestock feed is not suitable for human consumption. If not consumed by livestock, crop residues and by-products could quickly become an environmental burden as the human population grows and consumes more and more processed food.

Boulevardier

I would love to see a campaign for restaurants to advertise themselves as "vegan free."

They could ensure that all their dishes, including sides, have some sort of animal produce in them be it butter, egg or honey.

Thelonious Monk

Boulevardier wrote: »

I would love to see a campaign for restaurants to advertise themselves as "vegan free."

They could ensure that all their dishes, including sides, have some sort of animal produce in them be it butter, egg or honey.

Why?

Effects

Deleted User wrote: »

I think what rubs people up the wrong way about the vegans is the self righteous pontification aspect of it..

Yet these threads are full of meat eaters, spouting mistruths, and frothing at the mouth just because some people have a different diet to them.

sabat

Unearthly wrote: »

I am getting close to winning the vegan myth bingo

Just need someone to say where do they get their protein

Do you have reading comprehension difficulties? I said those people.

Sandor Clegane

All the fad diets are stupid, keto, Vegan, Carnivore etc...

gozunda

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I assume thats the post you're talking about ^^^

I thanked it for the first 2 lines, which is made clear in my response. I'm not on your side of the argument as such but I haven't attacked you. If you feel attacked by one post imagine how vegans feel reading 90% of these threads.

Sure. I'll buy that... :rolleyes: The fact is its nearly always the same few who do that ****e and the same few who scream blue murder. That's why claims to the contrary do not wash.

If anyone imagines that presenting actual facts about agriculture is an attack (see post thanked for details) then vegans have bigger problems than simply what a few people think about them .

Unearthly

sabat wrote: »

Do you have reading comprehension difficulties? I said those people.

Apologies. Could have been interpreted you meant all vegans as 'those people'

MMXX

I actually feel really sorry for vegans, (I know you may be reading this thinking 'you don't need to feel sorry for me you ignorant fool.') - and that's OK.

They're trying to do the right thing, for very noble reasons - but it is my strongly held belief, that their poor bodies will eventually pay the price for their mind's overrul-...ance - of their bodies.

That's just my opinion though, I'm not trying to change anyone else's.

Deebles McBeebles

gozunda wrote: »

Sure. I'll buy that... :rolleyes:

If only you had left out your favourite passive aggressive emoji I might have bought that.

I don't care what you or anyone else eats, I have no vested interest in it. I do see far more condescending and uninformed remarks coming from what you like to call the "omnivores" though.

Assetbacked

Sandor Clegane wrote: »

All the fad diets are stupid, keto, Vegan, Carnivore etc...

I think both sides can agree that keto is a load of tripe. A diet made up as a joke for people to be able to diet but eat what they want (e.g. cheese covered, bacon-wrapped steak - "is that keto? If it is, I can eat it").

IrishKev

It's quite hilarious to drop into boards every now and then and see the same posters incessantly commenting on how loud and bashful vegans are. If there's a better example of irony I've never heard it

gozunda

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

If only you had left out your favourite passive aggressive emoji I might have bought that.
I don't care what you or anyone else eats, I have no vested interest in it. I do see far more condescending and uninformed remarks coming from what you like to call the "omnivores" though.

Its an emoji - it simply means I dont really believe that. Thanks for the apology though ...

Looking at this thread- I'd say it's a out 50 / 50 for condescending and uninformed remarks

And yes afaik the normal description is omnivore. But the ones screaming blue muder that the kids are being mean aren't generally those.

I dont care what anyone eats either. Its no skin off my nose. It's when misinformation is held up as truth - then that's where things get shown up for being bs..

mathie

MMXX wrote: »

I actually feel really sorry for vegans, (I know you may be reading this thinking 'you don't need to feel sorry for me you ignorant fool.') - and that's OK.

They're trying to do the right thing, for very noble reasons - but it is my strongly held belief, that their poor bodies will eventually pay the price for their mind's overrul-...ance - of their bodies.

That's just my opinion though, I'm not trying to change anyone else's.

Why do you think that?

Effects

Effects wrote: »

Yet these threads are full of meat eaters, spouting mistruths, and frothing at the mouth just because some people have a different diet to them.

Ah shur it's just another of these polarising issues intended to get people on one side or the other, and both sides wound up.. They don't have to think then and can just revert to type..

mathie

gozunda wrote: »

Its an emoji - it simply means I dont really believe that. Thanks for the apology though ...

Looking at this thread- I'd say it's a out 50 / 50 tbh. And yes afaik the normal description is omnivore. But the ones screaming blue muder that the kids are being mean aren't generally those.

I dont care what anyone eats either. Its no skin off my nose. It's when misinformation is held up as truth - then that's where things get shown up for being bs..

What's the misinformation you're talking about?
That soy beans are mostly used for liverstock feed?

Deebles McBeebles

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

I don't care what you or anyone else eats, I have no vested interest in it. I do see far more condescending and uninformed remarks coming from what you like to call the "omnivores" though.

Actually as someone not invested by trade, subjectivity or personal bias in either side - I generally see misleading remarks coming from both sides in pretty equal measure on these threads.

While some people do like to lie however - I Think the majority of it is to be blamed on simple ignorance - and a bad media - rather than individual malice.

The first problem is that many people do not seem to understand what the research says. We saw one user cite an opinion piece about research rather than bothering to cite the original research for example - before then going on in a later post to simply drop the "Processed meat causes cancer" link which is one of the most over cited - most misrepresented - things in recent history of this discussion - and another broken link to what I think was one of a series of really awful studies on the effects of plant based diets on all cause mortallity. Some people can only read the title alas.

The second problem however is deeper than that though. Nutrition research is simply terrible. We do not - and in some cases can not - do the research we actually need on it. No matter how bad you think it is - it is probably a lot lot worse. And the media do not help with this by over reporting the relevance of findings. Usually by ignoring - usually on purpose because they would not have a story if they did not - the difference between an actual health risk increase and a _relative_ increase.

For example the aforementioned Processed Meats causing cancer issue which the papers fell all over themselves to report. If you wanted to write a news paper story and get clicks - would you report that processed meats can cause a 20% increase in your risks - or would you report that it increases your _overall life time risk_ from and an already existing baseline of 5% to a mere 6% and then _only if eaten daily consistently and in pretty above average amounts_?

gozunda

mathie wrote: »

What's the misinformation you're talking about?
That soy beans are mostly used for liverstock feed?

I presume you must have missed it?

Yes soy is primarily grown for oil. That oil gets extracted from the whole bean and what is left over (the soy meal) gets fed to animals. Thats all types of animals - pets, horses, fish, chickens, pigs and yes some cattle as well.

And I'm not a fan of soy btw. Interestingly whilst the biggest proportion of soy is grown in the United States - I am against it being grown in the Amazon.

MMXX

mathie wrote: »

Why do you think that?

Well... it's not very scientific - but I've seen a LOT of YouTube videos, of ex-vegans, and I've watched them - and listened very carefully to them. And I really do believe them, not because they are telling me to - but because I can see with my own eyes.

mathie

Deleted User wrote: »

We saw one user cite an opinion piece about research rather than bothering to cite the original research for example -

Articles tend to be more palatable than research papers.

Deleted User wrote: »

before then going on in a later post to simply drop the "Processed meat causes cancer" link which is one of the most over cited - most misrepresented - things in recent history of this discussion

Over-cited ... So it can't be referenced?

Deleted User wrote: »

For example the aforementioned Processed Meats causing cancer issue which the papers fell all over themselves to report. If you wanted to write a news paper story and get clicks - would you report that processed meats can cause a 20% increase in your risks - or would you report that it increases your _overall life time risk_ from and an already existing baseline of 5% to a mere 6% and then _only if eaten daily consistently and in pretty above average amounts_?

That's just over one sausage.
For some people that's not a pretty above average amount.

gozunda

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Well I don't believe you for a second. You posted a Twitter link above from someone where every one of his tweets is anti-plant diet. It's fine, it's your livelihood. It would be nice to get a definitive answer on soy growth once and for all however.

Again you are wrong in your supposition.

But you don't have to believe me Thelonious. In fact I dont think you believe anyone but no matter.

This is the industry source for soy bean production.

https://www.oilseedandgrain.com/soy-facts

And the 'someone' you dont seem to like for some strange reason is Professor of Nutrition (emeritus) University of Illinois. And I've seen no evidence for you bile against him other than he referred to soy oil production in his tweet.

What I see in most in these discussions is that a few who little or nothing about food production expounding on the topic and when someone like Professor Layman is referenced regarding a topic as mundane as soy oil production - they try do a hatchet job on the individual because that person doesn't accord with a particular world view.

But then what's new eh?

Assetbacked

gozunda wrote: »

I presume you must have missed it?

Yes soy is primarily grown for oil. That oil gets extracted from the whole bean and what is left over (the soy meal) gets fed to animals. Thats all types of animals - pets, horses, fish, chickens, pigs and yes some cattle as well.

And I'm not a fan of soy btw. Interestingly whilst the biggest proportion of soy is grown in the United States - I am against it being grown in the Amazon.

The soybean meal "byproduct" of soybean oil extraction is edible though and could be used to feed humans rather than wasting this high protein feed on bulking up animals for the slaughter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein

gozunda

Assetbacked wrote: »

The soybean meal "byproduct" of soybean oil extraction is edible though and could be used to feed humans rather than wasting this high protein feed on bulking up animals for the slaughter.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Textured_vegetable_protein

True it could. But you know that there is no shortage of food globally?

That where there is hunger it is largely due to corruption and inequality

https://www.worldhunger.org/letter-food-shortage-world-questions/

Nice that you would suggest that we should use the soy meal from soy beans grown in places like the amazon!

Imo there should be no use of the Amazon for the production of such foods imo for anyone whatever diet is being pushed

The facts are that the US is currently the largest producer of soybeans. Again most of that goes for oil and the what's left gets used for feedstuffs in the US.

Theres nothing stopping food companies buying more soy meal if they wish - the fact is they dont.

In Ireland cattle and other livestock are mainly fed different types of fodder with a very small amount being used as supplementary feed. Most of that comes from the US btw.

And as detailed previously Livestock use large areas of pastures where nothing else could be produced. Yes soy meal does get used more in poultry rearing and pig production - but a huge amount also gets used to make pet food and horse feeds.

El_Duderino 09

seamus wrote: »

I'm sure I could make a compilation of morbidly obese people on scooters and respirators and claim that it's evidence of how dangerous a non-vegan diet is.

It'd be exactly as valid as the video in the op, and exactly as nonsensical.

Kind of odd how people who have a problem with veganism are far louder and more obsessed about it than vegans themselves.

Completely agree. Those people in the video look to have an eating disorder and are vegan. Strictly controlled diets to the point of being unhealthy is a sure sign of an eating disorder.

But, don't let that get in the way of the usual suspects banging on about vegans.

mathie

mathie wrote: »

Articles tend to be more palatable than research papers.

They also tend to be distorted - agenda driven - sensationalised - misleading - and often leave out any mention of the important things in the paper such as controls, limitations, methodology and much more.

mathie wrote: »

Over-cited ... So it can't be referenced?

I never said that. You literally took what I said and changed it to something else entirely.

mathie wrote: »

That's just over one sausage. For some people that's not a pretty above average amount.

What are you citing there? What is one sausage???

Assetbacked

gozunda wrote: »

True it could. But you know that there is no shortage of food globally?

That where there is hunger it is largely due to corruption and inequality

https://www.worldhunger.org/letter-food-shortage-world-questions/

Nice that you would suggest that we should use the soy meal from soy beans grown in places like the amazon!

Imo there should be no use of the Amazon for the production of such foods imo.

The facts are that the US is currently the largest producer of soybeans. Again most of that goes for oil and the what's left gets used for feedstuffs on the US.

Theres nothing stopping food companies buying soy meal if they wish - the fact is they dont.

In Ireland cattle and other livestock are mainly fed different types of fodder with a very small amount being used as supplementary feed.

And as detailed previously Livestock use large areas of pastures where nothing else could be produced. Yes soy meal does get used more in poultry rearing and pig production - but a huge amount also gets used to make pet food and horse feeds.

This is shifting your position and adding in several different points. Your original position on soy beans was that it was only the byproduct or residue of soybean oil extraction that was being used to feed animals. My point is that soybean meal can be used to feed humans and the animals can and should be taken out of the equation.

You say you don't agree with the Amazon being destroyed for food production but the point being made to you is that this is directly the result of the demand for meat. With populations in developing countries increasing at uncontrollable rates, demands for meat will continue to rise which will lead to more environmental destruction to produce the animals from which the meat is obtained. All of this can be avoided by moving away from meat consumption.