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Election called for Saturday 8 February

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    #602
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    thequarefellow wrote: »
    I doubt it. They have been afraid to all along why would they change now?

    Exactly my point.

    If you are of the belief that they're lying about the state being currently in the midst of a housing crisis - why vote for people who are telling blatant lies to you?

    What else are they lying about?


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    #603
    thequarefellow
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭thequarefellow


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I actually think FG would be better served
    in opposition after this election for this reason - The global economy will enter recession this year or next year. There is simply too much debt in the global system to sustain growth. Ireland of course will be hugely affected by a global downturn and our massive national debt will cripple us.
    If FF are in power during this period, they will have some tough budgets etc and they will look economically weak (again).

    I thought the same in 2007 - If FF/Bertie got a few less seats and let FG form some sort of coalition in 2007, FF probably would have come out of the bust relatively unscathed. FG would have looked like complete messers as the false credit fueled boom disintegrated. Timing is everything in Irish politics.

    You are, no doubt, right. But what if FG thought less about itself and more about the country's future and actually put in place mechanisms that will support the economy through the coming recession? But even writing this I realise that nobody votes for that. Irish people vote for 'the extra fiver in my pocket' kind of promise.


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    #604
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    If you're unlucky enough to live in a rural area the Greens will expect you to share a car with ten other families, as Eamonn Ryan proposed recently. Absolute Lunacy.

    https://www.broadsheet.ie/2019/10/09/it-takes-a-village-3/https://www.oceanfm.ie/2019/10/10/green-party-not-anti-rural-ireland-ryan-defends-village-car-pooling-proposal/
    https://www.oceanfm.ie/2019/10/10/green-party-not-anti-rural-ireland-ryan-defends-village-car-pooling-proposal/

    It wasn't going to be mandated it was optional. Most cars lie idle for 90% of the day


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    #605
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    The housing crisis is more a result of the nimbyism of Irish people objecting to every single developmen than immigration.

    I work with a huge number of immigrants who are contributing b their taxes to fund council houses for Irish people who make a career of being on the dole

    cant standt nimbys, but who makes the planning decisions here? nimbys? it is well over due, but the council and ABP are approving stuff they never would have years ago!


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    #606
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    It wasn't going to be mandated it was optional. Most cars lie idle for 90% of the day
    Grand. Can I borrow yours then?


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    #607
    thequarefellow
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭thequarefellow


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Exactly my point.

    If you are of the belief that they're lying about the state being currently in the midst of a housing crisis - why vote for people who are telling blatant lies to you?

    What else are they lying about?

    The original reference was to the existence of a homeless crisis - which I believe is over-stated. But politicians are afraid to tackle that myth for fear of being lambasted in the media.
    The housing crisis is very real, but it is not the same as a homeless crisis.


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    #608
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    smurgen wrote: »
    This is it in a nutshell. They've done nothing to foster growth.if anything their housing policy has now hampered growth.

    I agree to an extent, the majority of credit can not go to them, it is external! BUT they are the party that will make it most attractive to work and set up business here. So while I wouldnt give them much credit, the result I expect, has been slightly better than it would have been with the alternatives...


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    #609
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    ELM327 wrote: »
    My main issue with the greens is that they don't work for non central dublin people.
    They assume we can all cycle to work.


    I live ~70km from work (each way) and currently drive an EV. No way would I cycle or take public transport. And I don't want to vote in any fool who would propose I should.

    This is typical of motorist in general. Someone say we should make cycling easier , note they aren't saying everyone has to cycle and you'll get someone replying saying I live 150,000 km away from work up a mountain this is stupid policy.

    The fact remains if you have drive then a party which will change shorter journey by car into journeys by bike or bus will benefit you


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    #610
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I am no supporter of the Greens, but I think ERyan has already dialled back on those car pooling suggestions.

    https://extra.ie/2019/10/13/news/irish-news/eamon-ryan-deeply-regrets

    What about the Wolves?


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    #611
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Grand. Can I borrow yours then?

    Sure. I barely use mine.


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    #612
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    This is typical of motorist in general. Someone say we should make cycling easier , note they aren't saying everyone has to cycle and you'll get someone replying saying I live 150,000 km away from work up a mountain this is stupid policy.

    The fact remains if you have drive then a party which will change shorter journey by car into journeys by bike or bus will benefit you


    It's not realistic to expect people to take non existent buses. 70km away from work in another major town is hardly equivalent to 150000km up a mountain.


    Ironically, there is a bus that goes to Dublin from literally outside my house. I wouldnt take it anyway, but it doesnt go near my place of work.

    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Sure. I barely use mine.
    It was a nefarious rhetorical question to show the idiocy of such a proposal.


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    #613
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    It wasn't going to be mandated it was optional. Most cars lie idle for 90% of the day

    Its a totally unworkable idea. A regular and reliable rural Minibus system for schools, shops etc is more realistic. If it were in place then families at least might cut back to one car instead of two.


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    #614
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's not realistic to expect people to take non existent buses. 70km away from work in another major town is hardly equivalent to 150000km up a mountain.


    Ironically, there is a bus that goes to Dublin from literally outside my house. I wouldnt take it anyway, but it doesnt go near my place of work.

    Read what I said , I was being hyperbolic about the mountain.

    Jesus you're literally proving my point 'note they aren't saying everyone has to cycle'

    If PT doesn't work for you fine, it don't mean it can't work for others and by it working for others it will actually improve your journey.
    ELM327 wrote: »
    It was a nefarious rhetorical question to show the idiocy of such a proposal.

    Why is the proposal idiocy? You don't have to use a car share


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    #615
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Its a totally unworkable idea. A regular and reliable rural Minibus system for schools, shops etc is more realistic. If it were in place then families at least might cut back to one car instead of two.

    Why not both?


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    #616
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Why not both?

    Yes both thats what I'm saying. A reduced reliance on cars and a top notch rural public transport service. Obviously everybody needs a car in rural areas its pie in the sky to think otherwise.


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    #617
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Yes both thats what I'm saying. A reduced reliance on cars and a top notch rural public transport service. Obviously everybody needs a car in rural areas its pie in the sky to think otherwise.

    Can I ask you to point out who suggested a car wasn't needed in rural areas? This is a straw man


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    #618
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Can I ask you to point out who suggested a car wasn't needed in rural areas? This is a straw man

    I was pointing out Eamonn Ryans suggestion of one car per ten families. Maybe he dialled it back but he did suggest if he was in power it was a policy he would enact.


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    #619
    Veda Loud Fatigues
    Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Veda Loud Fatigues


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    What about the Wolves?

    You make it seem like he's advocating introducing plague riddled rats into every home.

    There are plenty of benefits to the reintroducing the wolf to Ireland, unfortunately none of them for the wolf, which is why it'll never happen.


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    #620
    thequarefellow
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭thequarefellow


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's not realistic to expect people to take non existent buses. 70km away from work in another major town is hardly equivalent to 150000km up a mountain.


    Ironically, there is a bus that goes to Dublin from literally outside my house. I wouldnt take it anyway, but it doesnt go near my place of work.


    That's a rather bizarre admission. You are bemoaning the lack of public transport available to you but admit that there is a bus to Dublin from outside your door. So it doesn't go to your place of work? How about changing to another bus along the route?


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    #621
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    I was pointing out Eamonn Ryans suggestion of one car per ten families. Maybe he dialled it back but he did suggest if he was in power it was a policy he would enact.

    He never said that. He said rural car shares could work with a ratio of 1 car to 10.


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    #622
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    I was pointing out Eamonn Ryans suggestion of one car per ten families. Maybe he dialled it back but he did suggest if he was in power it was a policy he would enact.

    He never said that. He said rural car shares could work with a ratio of 1 car to 10.


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    #623
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    ELM327 wrote: »
    It's not realistic to expect people to take non existent buses. 70km away from work in another major town is hardly equivalent to 150000km up a mountain.


    Ironically, there is a bus that goes to Dublin from literally outside my house. I wouldnt take it anyway, but it doesnt go near my place of work.



    It was a nefarious rhetorical question to show the idiocy of such a proposal.

    Public transport won't work for you so don't improve any public transport?


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    #624
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    He never said that. He said rural car shares could work with a ratio of 1 car to 10.

    Still unworkable, 30 cars for a village of 300. It seems you're a Green Party member, fair enough. I don't agree with Ryans ideas.


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    #625
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    Still unworkable, 30 cars for a village of 300. It seems you're a Green Party member, fair enough. I don't agree with Ryans ideas.

    I'm not a member. How is it unworkable? You'll still have your car if you want? How many times do you need to be told this. It's an alternative. It allows the 18 year old pop to train. It allows someone to drive to the next big town while you're at work.

    It seems you don't agree with the ideas of a fictional Ryan you've invented in your mind


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    #626
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    I'm not a member. How is it unworkable? You'll still have your car if you want? How many times do you need to be told this. It's
    It won't work
    If Ryan went down the country selling the idea,he would be ran


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    #627
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 22,009 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    thequarefellow wrote: »
    That's a rather bizarre admission. You are bemoaning the lack of public transport available to you but admit that there is a bus to Dublin from outside your door. So it doesn't go to your place of work? How about changing to another bus along the route?


    It is a 3 hour round trip , vs 40-45 mins in the car.


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    #628
    NIMAN
    Registered Users Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Where would the 30 cars be located?
    In the centre of the village?
    Or scattered around the centre/outskirts?

    I live approx 5km from the centre of my village.

    What happens when 20 individuals take a car each to go to their work? Leaves 10 for the remaining 280 people?

    I think anyone saying this idea would work is simply trolling.


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    #629
    Fr_Dougal
    Registered Users Posts: 9,166 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    Amazed to see people considering voting for the Greens, only in the last week or so did they try to get us to lose our Veto on Corporation Tax.

    Pure madness.


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    #630
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    I'm not a member. How is it unworkable? You'll still have your car if you want? How many times do you need to be told this. It's an alternative. It allows the 18 year old pop to train. It allows someone to drive to the next big town while you're at work.

    It seems you don't agree with the ideas of a fictional Ryan you've invented in your mind

    Nothing fictional about 30 cars per 300 people, thats what he said.
    Even one car for two families in a rural area is unworkable.


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    #631
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Drop the condescension it does you no favours.

    I’m asking for answers and that’s now condescension? Because you don’t have any. Spell out the alternatives with costed solutions. This what an election is, it’s amazing how unprepared the opposition are. FG will walk this election if this is what they’re up against.


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