Election called for Saturday 8 February

weldoninhio · 17-01-2020 8:24pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Your energy and vote would be better used to push for improved health, transport and housing. The 'scabs' on the dole are costing you pennies the issues I listed are costing you thousands

That’s why disability is the new thing. You can’t complain about people on DA because they are “vulnerable”

Idbatterim · 17-01-2020 8:29pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The homeless on the streets is not a crisis. It is being bigged up big time. They will always be with us sadly. And despite ALL the Charities and soup runs and hostels it will remain. That doesn't mean I don't care, but realistically it is impossible to give a house/hub/hostel to everyone in a tent or sleeping in a doorway, and perhaps many of them won't want that either.

I do however agree that people who are working and contributing should be able to buy a property for themselves. It may be possible outside Dublin but it is very tough within the commuter belt now. I agree that some radical thinking is needed here.

But to expect everyone to contribute to house those who are not contributing is a farce, and that is what is getting people's backs up. They see magnificent apartments in prime areas being allocated to Cluid and so on. Whilst people's own children don't qualify for same, but yet they are all paying and contributing (yes I know the tenants will pay rent, but still).

So who said FG were right of centre and all for the working person? They need to get back to basics and look after their core vote for starters.

My deepest apologies for the rant. I could not help it. And I welcome corrections to my thoughts aswell.

Or the luxury apartments in Dundrum rented by the council. The entire block. Some should have market rents up to 3k a month. They can stay there for as good As free. Not work. Meanwhile people commute up to an hour and a half to work in Dundrum town centre. Sandyford, leopardstown etc

smurgen · 17-01-2020 8:35pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

Or the luxury apartments in Dundrum rented by the council. The entire block. Some should have market rents up to 3k a month. They can stay there for as good As free. Not work. Meanwhile people commute up to an hour and a half to work in Dundrum town centre. Sandyford, leopardstown etc

What that is it fg turning public funds into private profits.

James Brown · 17-01-2020 8:36pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

And when Ireland is over run with “asylum seekers”, each with their own council house who will pay for that?

Separate issue entirely.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Let FF in. There’s a global recession in the pipeline. Then hopefully whoever gets in next actually listens to the IMF and cuts social welfare to the bone. Cut waste to the bone. Actually follow their advice.

If we cut welfare it'll need be made up for in other ways. People should be only getting the welfare they need and are due. If they are due and get more than they need, that's an issue.
Well if Irish Water and Reilly's clinics and more recently the NCH (and likely broadband) didn't tell you all you need to know about waste, I can see why people on welfare might seem like low hanging fruit.

James Brown · 17-01-2020 8:40pm

smurgen wrote: »

What that is it fg turning public funds into private profits.

Exactly. Blaming the ones placed there is pointless. It's like Margret Cash, Dara Murphy and Denis O'Brien. Three examples of people doing absolutely nothing illegal. Taking advantage of what's on offer. If we don't like it, who should we look to?

smurgen · 17-01-2020 8:43pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Exactly. Blaming the ones placed there is pointless. It's like Margret Cash, Dara Murphy and Denis O'Brien. Three examples of people doing absolutely nothing illegal. Taking advantage of what's on offer. If we don't like it, who should we look to?

The one thing they all have in common is fine Gael. Who are essential facilitating them to fleece the public purse.

17-01-2020 8:45pm

smurgen wrote: »

As FG would tell ya I'm sure our homeless mortality rates are probably in line with general western Europe mortality rates. So comforting when they say stuff like that.

Shur, don’t let facts get in the way of a rant.

walshb · 17-01-2020 9:29pm

Is there a method to vote if not in the country Feb 8?

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2020 9:42pm

walshb wrote: »

Is there a method to vote if not in the country Feb 8?

Not sure if this is of help.

https://www.wexfordcoco.ie/council-and-democracy/voting-elections-and-register-of-electors/postal-voters-and-voters-with

saabsaab · 17-01-2020 9:56pm

Would it be a good idea that those who have social housing and are involved in repeated criminality lose that housing in their area.

17-01-2020 9:57pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Would it be a good idea that those who have social housing and are involved in repeated criminality lose that housing in their area.

How would that work exactly? If the man of the house is a career criminal, you would suggest throwing the whole family out?
Don't think that would work!

saabsaab · 17-01-2020 10:08pm

bubblypop wrote: »

How would that work exactly? If the man of the house is a career criminal, you would suggest throwing the whole family out?
Don't think that would work!

They could go on the housing list in another area or emergency accommodation. The free property then could house a homeless family. Maybe a better penalty that prison for the career criminal.

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2020 10:12pm

saabsaab wrote: »

They could go on the housing list in another area or emergency accommodation. The free property then could house a homeless family. Maybe a better penalty that prison for the career criminal.

So you would punish the family for the criminality of one? Thought it was only the Israelis that advocate collective punishment.

saabsaab · 17-01-2020 10:19pm

Yes, I guess I would. The 'punishment' is being moved out of where the criminal activity is happening and as a consequence of it their choice. The benefit is that a law abiding family would no longer be homeless, does the non criminal deserve to be homeless and the criminal secure and supported by the state?

LeinsterDub · 17-01-2020 10:20pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

That’s why disability is the new thing. You can’t complain about people on DA because they are “vulnerable”

And of course you know better than several doctors

FrancieBrady · 17-01-2020 10:21pm

If as the evening news contends, FF and FG are neck and neck in the polls going into next week, it will be interesting to see what the 'Sean Gallagher' moment will be for them, because I have no doubt it will come. There will be one for FG too.

The party's are so alike it will be the only thing that separates them in the end.
My money is on Michael to maintain the teflon streak he seems to have developed this last while.

Plumbthedepths · 17-01-2020 10:23pm

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes, I guess I would. The 'punishment' is being moved out of where the criminal activity is happening and as a consequence of it their choice. The benefit is that a law abiding family would no longer be homeless, does the non criminal deserve to be homeless and the criminal secure and supported by the state?

All I can get from your comments is you would happily punish all for the sins of one. Slippery slope tbh.

saabsaab · 17-01-2020 10:24pm

You could be right. The Government in power will be blamed for any thing that goes wrong in the lead up to the election as well.

saabsaab · 17-01-2020 10:29pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

All I can get from your comments is you would happily punish all for the sins of one. Slippery slope tbh.

Well I am happy to move a criminal away from his crime patch and very happy to rehouse an ordinary family. The alternative is what is happening in some estates where a criminal minority think they can do as they please as shown by recent events and terrorise the ordinary families.

LeinsterDub · 17-01-2020 10:33pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

And when Ireland is over run with “asylum seekers”, each with their own council house who will pay for that?

And when Ireland is over run with mole people each with their own council house who will pay for that?

McMurphy · 17-01-2020 11:12pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If as the evening news contends, FF and FG are neck and neck in the polls going into next week, it will be interesting to see what the 'Sean Gallagher' moment will be for them, because I have no doubt it will come. There will be one for FG too.

The party's are so alike it will be the only thing that separates them in the end.
My money is on Michael to maintain the teflon streak he seems to have developed this last while.

I'm not convinced they're neck and neck tbh, especially not if you look at the bookies odds, who never be that far off the mark.

FrancieBrady · 17-01-2020 11:23pm

McMurphy wrote: »

I'm not convinced they're neck and neck tbh, especially not if you look at the bookies odds, who never be that far off the mark.

I think there's only a nasty scandal between them tbh.

Just wondering what it will be.

McMurphy · 17-01-2020 11:26pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think there's only a nasty scandal between them tbh.

Just wondering what it will be.

NovemberWren · 17-01-2020 11:27pm

LeinsterDub wrote: »

And when Ireland is over run with mole people each with their own council house who will pay for that?

is it odd to say that in this thread so far that 'Banks' have no been addressed? or maybe, barely mentioned.

anyhows, just was the selling off of council housing in the first place, a mistake?

if Smaller council estates were built (as opposed to the massive conurbations built in Dublin in the 1940's, 1950's.... and even maybe west Dublin in the 1970's); if smaller estates were built and kept in perpetuity as civic, Christian, housing for the poor; and 'on the understanding' to the very poor that this is given to them as 'Non-Monetary Aid'; and if then these people then managed to be in even relatively stable employment; that they would then buy away from/off of, these smaller council estates; and thus, free-up a house for the very poor.

Also, are too many of the newer builds private estates now, of housing just too big; and too expensive.

L1011 · 18-01-2020 12:00am

walshb wrote: »

Is there a method to vote if not in the country Feb 8?

For 99% of circumstances, no.

lawred2 · 18-01-2020 9:19am

McMurphy wrote: »

Mesmerizing

Think she's out cold

is_that_so · 18-01-2020 9:21am

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Japers, it's an election issue. Mentioned it because it's in the news again. It's not going away.

Housing and health apparently are what people are talking about and there's a suggestion that it will come down to Leo v Michael.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/varadkar-martin-contest-to-dominate-election-ff-and-fg-say-1.4143322

is_that_so · 18-01-2020 9:27am

Here's the swinging lady's replacement.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/maria-baileys-substitute-who-is-jennifer-carroll-macneill-38694003.html

smurgen · 18-01-2020 9:42am

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's the swinging lady's replacement.
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/maria-baileys-substitute-who-is-jennifer-carroll-macneill-38694003.html

Another solicitor. Probably threaten to sue all round her like Madigan.

is_that_so · 18-01-2020 9:47am

smurgen wrote: »

Another solicitor. Probably threaten to sue all round her like Madigan.

Barrister actually, different class!

Election called for Saturday 8 February

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