Election called for Saturday 8 February

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

There is no centre right party. Fg have been dragged into centre.

Put whatever label you want on them. My point remains, where would a new centre right/right party get support?

Edit. I suppose the PD's survived for a good while

Idbatterim

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Put whatever label you want on them. My point remains, where would a new centre right/right party get support?

Edit. I suppose the PD's survived for a good while

Times are very , very different now. Back in the good aul times , the banks would have given a mortgage to a ninety year old. What do we have now ? Free houses for many , huge amounts of workers struggling. Shambles , health , housing , infrastructure, law and order. On TheJournal.ie articles, by far the most supported comments are ones supporting workers and not welfarers etc. you have a far larger sample size there than on this site where it’s mainly just a handful of us posting ...

ChikiChiki

amadangomor wrote: »

Speaking of clowns , what was Catherine Murphy thinking with her election poster. I saw it for the first time this morning and was sure someone tampered with it - her eyebrows are up in an arch and she has tons of makeup in the gap - making her look like a clown from a distance. (I'm not implying she is a clown in any sense of the word , just the optics of her poster is terrible)

Election posters aside, the most ethical and hardest working investigative TD in the country imo.

Idbatterim

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Put whatever label you want on them. My point remains, where would a new centre right/right party get support?

Edit. I suppose the PD's survived for a good while

People are disgusted at the options they have here and you are seriously suggesting you don’t think a new centre right for want of lazy labeling , is a runner ?!

is_that_so

Here's a bright idea! Not populist of course!

https://www.fiannafail.ie/geraghty-smith-proposes-flexible-working-laws-to-ease-commuter-chaos/

Idbatterim

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a bright idea! Not populist of course!

https://www.fiannafail.ie/geraghty-smith-proposes-flexible-working-laws-to-ease-commuter-chaos/

Not a bad idea. But will totally support ffg pathetic infrastructure spend over their decades In power. Cut infrastructure spending and they can increase welfare etc. great

Plumbthedepths

is_that_so wrote: »

Here's a bright idea! Not populist of course!

https://www.fiannafail.ie/geraghty-smith-proposes-flexible-working-laws-to-ease-commuter-chaos/

When did populist become a dirty word, does anyone actually know what the word means?

ThunbergsAreGo

Idbatterim wrote: »

People are disgusted at the options they have here and you are seriously suggesting you don’t think a new centre right for want of lazy labeling , is a runner ?!

Yup be a big enough market there amongst disaffected FF FG voters in which I'd count myself

is_that_so

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When did populist become a dirty word, does anyone actually know what the word means?

In our context it's the crowd pleasing stuff. Some of it is planned, some of it is whatever way the wind is blowing and what will get a party elected.

MrMusician18

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

When did populist become a dirty word, does anyone actually know what the word means?

It's usually given to those that are reactionary and short termist in their outlook. Those that propose simple "common sense" solutions to complex problems.


Populist policies often end up causing more problems than they solve

is_that_so

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not a bad idea. But will totally support ffg pathetic infrastructure spend over their decades In power. Cut infrastructure spending and they can increase welfare etc. great

It's not for the rest for us, just Meath only! Finding ways to persuade employers to move to localities is a far better long-term approach.

Bishop of hope

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Yup be a big enough market there amongst disaffected FF FG voters in which I'd count myself

But really that will only break up that type of vote further.
What we really need is a credible just left of center party.
Labour fitted that bill and still should, but the water charges thing and Alan Kelly and Joan Burton destroyed them and they haven't recovered.
I'd love them to come in above SF who aren't convincing and people here still think they are being ruled by norther Irish hidden faces.

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

People are disgusted at the options they have here and you are seriously suggesting you don’t think a new centre right for want of lazy labeling , is a runner ?!

I actually suggested there is space where the PD's used to occupy

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

Not a bad idea. But will totally support ffg pathetic infrastructure spend over their decades In power. Cut infrastructure spending and they can increase welfare etc. great

If you want actual ideas on transport look here https://twitter.com/DublinCommuters/status/1218104865852985344?s=19

LeinsterDub

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not for the rest for us, just Meath only! Finding ways to persuade employers to move to localities is a far better long-term approach.

Or we could do something crazy like you know investing in public transport

sid waddell

Given that the top three parties in the polls are Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Sinn Fein, and yet people say they want change, I think there's a real gap in the market for a new party.

If one party could combine Fianna Fail's utterly disastrous handling of the economy with Fine Gael's cack handed incompetence as regards water, housing and health with Sinn Fein's liking for bombing people, I think they'd be onto a winner - because those policies all seem to be big vote winners!

Eric Cartman

is_that_so wrote: »

It's not for the rest for us, just Meath only! Finding ways to persuade employers to move to localities is a far better long-term approach.

Theres such a hypocrisy over this though, so many people oppose the nbp, electrical pylons and car ownership but want businesses to move out of dublin necessitating the three aforementioned things

is_that_so

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres such a hypocrisy over this though, so many people oppose the nbp, electrical pylons and car ownership but want businesses to move out of dublin necessitating the three aforementioned things

Meath is a strange place! All those wide open spaces ...

Caquas

silverharp wrote: »

is the quick election to sabotage smaller parties? it seems a bit underhand given posters by FG and FF were up that evening they called it

No, this stunt is designed to limit new independents, especially non-politicians i.e. not the usual gombeens.

Formal nominations must be concluded by next Wednesday I.e. just a week after the election was announced. Even the smallest parties will be geared up for this but if you're a first-time independent, you have to get 30 local electors to sign written nomination forms, plus a deposit of €500. How many ordinary individuals could manage that in the space of a week?

There’ll be plenty of independent candidates in most constituencies but almost all will be (a) local politicians who didn’t get their party’s nomination or (b) total spacers who have been plotting this for months with a bunch of like-minded. Only those in group (a) have a chance of getting elected.

Who fears new independents most? The major parties fear defectors from their own party but the short notice won’t deter many of them. The incumbent independents mostly fear a credible newcomer I.e. the ones most likely to be excluded by the short notice. No prizes for guessing why Leo wanted to help the incumbent independents.

Calhoun

If you were and independent and were not prepared then you aren't as clued into politics in Ireland as you should be.

The writing has been very much on the wall for some time.

silverharp

silverharp wrote: »

is the quick election to sabotage smaller parties? it seems a bit underhand given posters by FG and FF were up that evening they called it

Every candidate has been ready for months, if not years. They don’t decide on a whim to stand.
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail, as Roy Keane might say.

Eric Cartman

I see Rita Harrold has brought her 'socialist feminist voice' back to the table, lets hope she fails more miserably this time.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I see Rita Harrold has brought her 'socialist feminist voice' back to the table, lets hope she fails more miserably this time.

Is she using those shouting in to a megaphone posters? Not going to go down well with the voters I'd imagine.

Eric Cartman

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Is she using those shouting in to a megaphone posters? Not going to go down well with the voters I'd imagine.

that was the one. She was beaten by both Gemma O Doherty and Ben Gilroy by thousands of votes in the EU one so I wouldnt be too concerned about her taking up a seat in the dail anytime soon.

I Am The Law

sid waddell wrote: »

Given that the top three parties in the polls are Fianna Fail, Fine Gael and Sinn Fein, and yet people say they want change, I think there's a real gap in the market for a new party.

If one party could combine Fianna Fail's utterly disastrous handling of the economy with Fine Gael's cack handed incompetence as regards water, housing and health with Sinn Fein's liking for bombing people, I think they'd be onto a winner - because those policies all seem to be big vote winners!

SF have never been in government, seeing as Labour have completely gone up their own hole it's the closest thing we have to the left, why not give them ago, Irish politics can't get any more irrelevant than where we are today.

Eric Cartman

I Am The Law wrote: »

SF have never been in government, seeing as Labour have completely gone up their own hole it's the closest thing we have to the left, why not give them ago, Irish politics can't get any more irrelevant than where we are today.

irrelivance and being run by terrorists with communist tendancies are two completely different things.

saabsaab

It is a given Fossil fuels will have to rise in price anyway. Why not increase the price now when they are relatively inexpensive to get people change to alternatives and save pain long term.



This makes sense carbonwise and financially. Before anyone says that this would put pain on commuters, yes it would but would drive (pardon the pun) people to other ways of transport. There could also be a tax break for car sharing to help. Commuters generally change vehicles every 2 to 4 years so would not endure the increased costs forever.

Eric Cartman

saabsaab wrote: »

It is a given Fossil fuels will have to rise in price anyway. Why not increase the price now when they are relatively inexpensive to get people change to alternatives and save pain long term.



This makes sense carbonwise and financially. Before anyone says that this would put pain on commuters, yes it would but would drive (pardon the pun) people to other ways of transport. There could also be a tax break for car sharing to help. Commuters generally change vehicles every 2 to 4 years so would not endure the increased costs forever.

taxing the bad thing when alternatives arent available is a waste of time. This is the kind of thinking brought out by parties who don't want to point the finger at public transport operators. If it was a better or available option, people would use it. Fix the transport first.

saabsaab

Eric Cartman wrote: »

taxing the bad thing when alternatives arent available is a waste of time. This is the kind of thinking brought out by parties who don't want to point the finger at public transport operators. If it was a better or available option, people would use it. Fix the transport first.

I don't agree that transport needs to be first but it still needs to be done. This would be the push needed nd could part finance it . As for alternatives not available there are!

Billcarson

Eric Cartman wrote: »

irrelivance and being run by terrorists with communist tendancies are two completely different things.

Sure ff and fg have terrorized this country for decades with their corrupt tendencies.