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Boardsies greatest song of the 90s - Live Thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,499 ✭✭✭✭Tauriel


    Sent my pm as heading out for a little while and I would be kicking myself if my song lost by one due to me missing the vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    The final.

    Please give a reason for your vote
    Voting opened till 10pm, no quota.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭lassykk


    Has to be Nirvana. Defined a generation of grunge. Not my favourite 90s song by a long shot but would be a worthy winner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    Final


    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit

    1991/ UK #7 US #6 Ire #15


    R1 6 - 1 Pulp - Do You Remember the First Time

    R2 6 - 3 Oasis - Don't Look Back In Anger

    R3 7 - 1 Blur - Song 2

    R4 10 - 4 The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony

    QF 8 - 4 Coolio - Gangster's Paradise

    SF 17 - 0 Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name Of


    vs       

           

    R.E.M. - Losing My Religion

    1991/UK #19 US #4 Ire #5


    R1 6 - 2 U2 - One

    R2 6 - 0 Alanis Morissette - You Oughta Know

    R3 7 - 1 Elastica - Connection

    R4 8 - 7 Sinead O Connor - Nothing Compares to You

    QF 8 - 4 Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under The Bridge

    SF 11 - 6 The Cranberries - Zombie







  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    4 votes for Nirvana via pm.

    Thank you, Declan, Zaph, die hard, and shelly.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭Die Hard 2019


    My pm posted for handiness
    I'd like to vote for Smells like teen spirit because Nirvana and Cobain were a brief flash of genius that helped define a decade for many people


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Nirvana,
    changed my life, loved grunge music, college years spent in fibber magees, still listen to it regularly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Both songs had impressive runs and beat out some tough competition, both are worthy winners, and both are songs I nominated so its a difficult decision.

    The song I'm voting for however is uniquely '90s, kickedstarted a new genre, and changed the landscape of music, so getting my vote for the win...

    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,424 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Losing my religion is my vote which is a good song and I dont want it to be whitewashed.

    Lithium is my favourite nirvana song. Teen spirit is grand and will be a good winner but not the best for me


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Nirvana.

    Resonates with my younger 90s self than losing my religion ever would.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Vote for Nirvana here

    Simply a perfect song with intense guitars, brilliant drums and a vocal that helped kick the mainstream doors off their hinges for Nirvana and the grunge era. Its a song that became bigger then the band and represents the 90s era while still holding its own with the music of today. And Grohl is a god.

    Also brings back great memories of Fibber McGees and McGonagles mosh pit


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Both very good songs and solid choices but I'm gonna vote for Losing My Religion.
    Partly because Smells Like Teen Spirit is too much of a safe/obvious choice to win.
    Partly because Losing My Religion is a more timeless song, whereas Teen Spirit is very much of its time.
    And lyrically I just think Losing My Religion has more depth to it than Teen Spirit does.

    I won't mind too much whichever one wins though. Once my ten nominations all went I knew the correct song wasn't gonna win anyway! :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭Die Hard 2019


    Rikand wrote: »
    Losing my religion is my vote which is a good song and I dont want it to be whitewashed.

    Lithium is my favourite nirvana song. Teen spirit is grand and will be a good winner but not the best for me
    Kenneth is my favourite REM song


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Kenneth is my favourite REM song

    Orange crush for me


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Kenneth is my favourite REM song

    E-Bow The Letter is mine. Would have nominated it except I didn't think it would have much mass appeal, plus I assumed other REM songs would be nominated anyway. Plus only having 10 nominations to begin with!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Kenneth is my favourite REM song

    Everybody Hurts is mine along with Michael Stipes' duet with Kristin Herch on Your Ghost


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    So 1991 is the year that defines the decade.

    REM.


    I had this in my nominations and while I like both songs, I'm gonna stick with REM. I had a feeling they might make the final.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Smells like Teen Spirit

    Pretty much my teen spirit won't let me vote otherwise here. Its an iconic 90's track. I actually love losing my religion too but as a song of the 90's it has to be Nirvana


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,382 ✭✭✭✭rainbowtrout


    Orange crush for me

    Me too!!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    It's interesting that Gangsta's Paradise provided the toughest opposition for Teen Spirit, and even that wasn't close really.

    In terms of the contest, it's been divisive but mostly fun.

    Some dislike Oasis despite them and particularly Wonderwall launching Britpop into the mainstream

    Some dislike Blur even though the rivalry was decade defining for some hardcore fans.

    Most don't like (or refuse to admit in public perhaps :P ) a lot of the massive massive pop tunes from the 90s.

    Etc etc (I could and probably should mention Radiohead here but can't think of a decent comparison)

    However there is a song that seems to have a large consensus of agreement.

    The one song I think 99% of us are in agreement for the entire competition


    And that's where my vote goes.


    Smells Like Teen Spirit.


    Thanks for running the competition Kol :D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 925 ✭✭✭angel eyes 2012


    Losing my Religion by R.E.M. simply because I prefer it.

    I predicted Nirvana would win when giving my nominations, maybe a miracle might happen!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Peatys


    Smells like teen spirit.. basically the soundtrack to my 90's.. and since if I'm honest :D


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Caspian Mango Voter


    Nirvana, just the quintessential 90s band. I like the song but it'd be a default selection anyway as I've never had any time for R.E.M. Not many songs I'd give R.E.M a vote over.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Smells Like Teen Spirit. Everybody Hurts is simply too whingey in places for my liking whereas SLTS is a belter from the off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭ArnoldJRimmer


    Two great songs, but has to be Smells Like Teen Spirit, the defining song for the grunge movement


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


    I'm voting for I'll Be Missing You by Puff Daddy & Faith Evans in protest.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Sheridan81 wrote:
    I'm voting for I'll Be Missing You by Puff Daddy & Faith Evans in protest.

    You had your chance :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,401 ✭✭✭✭Collie D


    In before deadline not that it makes a difference looking at the thread. Said it earlier but Smells like Teen Spirit is so iconic for the decade. An apt winner


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭Die Hard 2019


    Sheridan81 wrote: »
    I'm voting for I'll Be Missing You by Puff Daddy & Faith Evans in protest.

    I don't get it if your a BIG fan then why not one of his songs if you a Diddy fan why not something good?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Kolido


    The winner of Boardsies greatest song of the 90s


    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit






    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit 15 4 R.E.M. - Losing My Religion



    Thanks everyone for taking part.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,215 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Thanks for running a great competition with an apt winner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,503 ✭✭✭✭Also Starring LeVar Burton


    Great game Kolido, and a worthy winner in Nirvana!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 362 ✭✭Die Hard 2019


    Kolido wrote: »
    The winner of Boardsies greatest song of the 90s


    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit






    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit 15 4 R.E.M. - Losing My Religion



    Thanks everyone for taking part.

    Proving once again that first past the post democracy is the correct method


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Thank you for all your hard work kolido. It was great fun taking part


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,429 ✭✭✭Sheridan81


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  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thanks kolido
    A very worthy winner


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭lassykk


    Thanks for running this. Will definitely keep an eye out for the next one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,894 ✭✭✭Triceratops Ballet


    Hooray! A worthy winner!


  • Registered Users Posts: 585 ✭✭✭the heathen


    Thanks for your efforts Kolido


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,478 ✭✭✭✭Electric Nitwit


    Some effort Kol, well done! Much appreciated
    Class winner, I'm impressed by boardsies tastes :)

    Do Nirvana and Joy Division now fly off to Azerbaijan for a Super Cup? ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,499 ✭✭✭✭Tauriel


    Thank you kol for a superb reveal.

    I'm so happy that one of my nominations won :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,185 ✭✭✭Declan A Walsh


    Thank you kol for a superb reveal.

    I'm so happy that one of my nominations won :D

    Likewise!


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,336 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    When I was preparing my nominations every list I saw of best 90s songs, with the exception of one that was full of weird stuff I'd never heard of, had Smells Like Teen Spirit as number one, so it's not a huge surprise that it won here. It's not my favourite Nirvana song (I'd have Come as you Are and Lithium ahead of it), but it's definitely a worthy winner.

    Thanks Kolido for another brilliantly run game. The amount of work you put into these is incredible.

    For the record, here's my list and when they went out:

    Creep - Radiohead (R1)
    Loaded - Primal Scream (R3)
    Cannonball - The Breeders (R2)
    Woke Up This Morning - Alabama 3 (R2)
    Whippin' Piccadilly - Gomez (R1)
    La Tristesse Durera - Manic Street Preachers (Q)
    Novocaine for the Soul - Eels (R1)
    Feed the Tree - Belly (Q)
    Loser - Beck (R1)
    Mrs. Robinson - The Lemonheads (R1)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Do Nirvana and Joy Division now fly off to Azerbaijan for a Super Cup?

    We haven't finished the decades yet :P

    I'm going to run the Noughties one next (thread to follow this evening) then we might even go back in time to the 70s, if I can find the time :)


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Here's my nominations
    1.Smashing Pumpkins....... Today

    2.Pearl Jam........ Alive

    3.Rage against the machine...... Killing in the name of

    4.Suede...... Animal nitrate

    5.The stone roses..... One love

    6.Placebo....... Every you every me

    7.The frames......... Revelate

    8. Hole........ Doll parts

    9. Golden Horde...... Friends in time

    10. REM......... Drive

    Not sure about the noughties.... Can't remember anything much!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,499 ✭✭✭✭Tauriel


    Here are my nominations:

    AC/DC - Thunderstruck
    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit
    Metallica - Enter Sandman
    Metallica - Nothing Else Matters
    Goo Goo Dolls - Iris
    Sarah Brightman ft Andrea Bocelli - Time to Say Goodbye
    Roxette - It Must of Been Love
    Nightwish - Sleeping Sun
    Alanis Morisette - Uninvited
    Shania Twain - That Don't Impress Me Much


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Who wants to see mine

    :pac:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,216 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Wonderwall - Oasis
    Don't Look Back In Anger - Oasis
    Smells Like Teen Spirit - Nirvana
    I Want It That Way - Backstreet Boys
    I Will Always Love You - Whitney Houston
    My Heart Will Go On - Celine Dion
    Everything I Do (I Do It For You) - Bryan Adams
    Love Is All Around - Wet Wet Wet
    Changes - 2Pac
    I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy feat. Faith Evans

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    1990
    Pump up the jam - technotronic

    1991
    Charly - the prodigy

    1992
    Utah saints ft Kate Bush - something good

    1993
    Bjork - big time sensuality

    1994
    Blur - girls and boys

    1995
    Pulp - common people

    1996
    Faithless - insomnia

    1997
    The verve - bitter sweet symphony

    1998
    George Michael - outside

    1999
    Fatboy Slim - praise you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Kolido



    Song | Noms | Reached | Song | Noms | Reached
    Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit | 7 | W | Lauryn Hill - Doo Woo (That Thing) | | Q
    Natalia Imbruglia - Torn | 5 | R1 | LeAnn Rimes - How Do I Live | | Q
    Primal Scream - Loaded | 5 | R3 | Lenny Kravitz - Fly Away | | R1
    Jamiroquai - Virtual Insanity | 4 | R1 | Lenny Kravitz - It Ain't Over Till It's Over | | Q
    Sinead O Connor - Nothing Compares to You | 4 | R4 | Lighthouse Family - High | | R1
    The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony | 4 | R4 | Lisa Loeb - Stay (I missed you) | | Q
    Blur - Girls & Boys | 3 | R2 | Madonna - Frozen | | Q
    Depeche Mode - Enjoy the Silence | 3 | R3 | Manic Street Preachers - Everything Must Go | | R2
    Goo Goo Dolls - Iris | 3 | R1 | Manic Street Preachers - La Tristesse Durera | | Q
    Radiohead - Karma Police | 3 | R1 | Marc Cohn - Walking in Memphis | | R1
    Savage Garden - Truly Madly Deeply | 3 | R2 | Marky Mark & The Funky Bunch - Good Vibrations | | R1
    The Breeders - Cannonball | 3 | R2 | Massive Attack - Protection | | Q
    2 Pac - Changes | 2 | R2 | Massive Attack - Teardrop | | R2
    Beck - Loser | 2 | R1 | Massive Attack - Unfinished Sympathy | | R1
    Blur - The Universal | 2 | R4 | MC Hammer - U Can't Touch This | | R1
    Bjork - Big Time Sensuality | 2 | R1 | Meatloaf - I'd Do Anything For Love (But I Won't Do That) | | Q
    Eels - Novocaine for the Soul | 2 | R1 | Metallica - Enter Sandman | | R3
    Faith No More - Easy | 2 | R1 | Metallica - Nothing Else Matters | | R2
    Fatboy Slim - Praise You | 2 | R4 | Michael Jackson - Black or White | | Q
    Foo Fighters - Everlong | 2 | R2 | Moloko - Sing it Back | | Q
    Garbage - Stupid Girl | 2 | R4 | Neil Young - Harvest Moon | | R2
    Happy Mondays - Step On | 2 | R1 | Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds - Into My Arms | | R1
    Manic Street Preachers - If You Tolerate | 2 | R1 | Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Red Right Hand | | R1
    Oasis - Don't Look Back In Anger | 2 | R2 | Nick Cave & Kylie Minogue - Where The Wild Roses Grow | | Q
    P. Diddy feat. Faith Evans - I'll Be Missing You | 2 | R1 | Nightwish - Sleeping Sun | | Q
    Pearl Jam - Alive | 2 | R3 | Nirvana - About A Girl (Unplugged) | | Q
    Pulp - Common People | 2 | R2 | Nirvana - All Apologies | | Q
    Radiohead - Street Spirit (Fade Out) | 2 | R2 | Nirvana - Come As You Are | | QF
    Red Hot Chili Peppers - Under The Bridge | 2 | QF | Nirvana - The Man Who Sold the World | | R2
    R.E.M. - Drive | 2 | R2 | No Doubt - Don't speak | | QF
    R.E.M. - Losing My Religion | 2 | RU | Oasis - Champagne Supernova | | R3
    Ricky Martin - Livin La Vida Loca | 2 | R1 | Oasis - Morning Glory; | | R1
    Roxette - It Must of Been Love | 2 | R2 | Oasis - Wonderwall | | R3
    Seal - Kiss From a Rose | 2 | R2 | Ocean Colour Scene - The Day We Caught the Train | | R1
    Smashing Pumpkins - 1979 | 2 | R2 | PJ Harvey - Down By The Water | | Q
    Smashing Pumpkins - Tonight, Tonight | 2 | R4 | Placebo - Every you every me | | R1
    Spice Girls - Wannabe | 2 | R1 | Placebo - Nancy Boy | | R2
    Suede - Animal Nitrate | 2 | R2 | Pulp - Do You Remember the First Time | | R1
    Supergrass - Alright | 2 | R1 | Radiohead - Anyone Can Play Guitar | | R1
    The Frames - Revelate | 2 | R1 | Radiohead - Creep | | R1
    The Sultans Of Ping - Where's Me Jumper | 2 | R1 | Radiohead - Just | | R1
    TLC - Waterfalls | 2 | R1 | Radiohead - Paranoid Android | | R1
    2 Pac - California Love | | Q | Rage Against the Machine - Killing in the Name Of | | SF
    2Pac and Snoop - 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted | | Q | Red Hot Chilli Peppers - Scar Tissue | | Q
    AC/DC - Thunderstruck | | Q | REM - The Great Beyond | | R3
    A House - Take It Easy On Me | | Q | Richard Marx - Hazard | | Q
    Aerosmith - Crazy | | Q | Right Said Fred - Deeply Dippy | | Q
    Aerosmith - I Don't Wanna Miss A Thing | | Q | Right Said Fred - I'm Too Sexy | | Q
    Aqua - Barbie Girl | | R1 | Robbie Williams - Let me entertain you | | Q
    Alabama 3 - Woke Up This Morning | | R2 | Saint Etienne - Only Love Can Break Your Heart | | R1
    Alanis Morisette - Uninvited | | Q | Sarah Brightman ft Andrea Bocelli - Time to Say Goodbye | | Q
    Alanis Morissette - you oughta know | | R2 | Shania Twain - That Don't Impress Me | | R3
    An Emotional Fish - Celebrate | | R1 | Shakespeare's Sister - Stay | | R3
    B*Witched - C'est la Vie | | R1 | Sheryl Crow - All I Wanna Do | | Q
    Backstreet Boys - Everybody (Backstreets Back) | | R2 | Sheryl Crow - Everyday Is A Winding Road | | R1
    Backstreet Boys - I Want It That Way | | R1 | Sigur Ros - Svefn-g-englar | | Q
    Belly - Feed the Tree | | Q | Silverchair - Tomorrow | | Q
    Bette Midler - From A Distance | | Q | Sir Mix-A-Lot - Baby Got Back | | R1
    Ace Of Base - All That She Wants | | R1 | Sixpence None The Richer - Kiss Me | | R2
    Alice In Chains - Down In A Hole | | Q | Smashing Pumpkins - Today | | R2
    Baby Bird - You're Gorgeous | | Q | Something Happens - Parachute | | R1
    Blind Melon - No Rain | | Q | Sophie B. Hawkins - Damn I Wish I Was Your Lover | | Q
    Blonie - Maria | | Q | Soul Asylum - Runaway Train | | R1
    Blur - Song 2 | | R3 | Soundgarden - Black - Hole Sun | | R4
    Blur - Tender | | R1 | Stereo MCs - Connected | | Q
    Björk - Bachelorette | | Q | Sting - If I Ever Lose My Faith In You | | Q
    Bjork - All Is Full Of Love | | Q | Suede - Stay Together | | Q
    Britney Spears - Baby One More Time | | R3 | Supergrass - Moving | | R1
    Bryan Adams - Everything I Do (I Do It For You) | | R1 | Technotronic - Pump up the jam | | Q
    CeCe Peniston - Finally | | Q | The 4 Of Us - Mary | | R1
    Celine Dion - My Heart Will Go On | | Q | The Beautiful South - A Little Time | | Q
    Chemical Brothers - Setting Sun | | R2 | The Bluetones - If | | Q
    Chris Isaak - Wicked Game | | R3 | The Cardigans - My Favourite Game | | Q
    Collective Soul - Shine | | Q | The Chemical Brothers - Hey Boy Hey Girl | | R2
    Coolio - Gangster's Paradise | | QF | The Cranberries - Dreams | | R3
    Crowded House - Weather With You | | R2 | The Cranberries - Promises | | R4
    David Gray - Late Night Radio | | Q | The Cranberries - Zombie | | SF
    Donna Lewis - I Love You Always Forever | | Q | The Divine Comedy - National Express | | R2
    Duran Duran - Ordinary World | | R1 | The Fat lady Sings - Arclight | | Q
    Edwyn Collins - A Girl Like You | | R1 | The Frank and Walters - After All | | R1
    Eels - Susan's House | | R1 | The Lemonheads - Mrs. Robinson | | R1
    Eiffel 65 - Blue | | Q | The Pet Shop Boys - Being Boring | | Q
    Embrace - Come Back to What You Know | | Q | The Prodigy - Charley | | Q
    Eminem - My Name Is | | R1 | The Prodigy - Everybody in the Place | | Q
    Elastica - Connection | | R3 | The Prodigy - Firestarter | | R1
    Electronic - Disappointed | | Q | The Prodigy - No Good (Start the Dance) | | Q
    Enigma - Return to Innocence | | Q | The Prodigy - Out of Space | | R1
    EnVogue - Don't let go | | Q | The Prodigy - Voodoo People | | R1
    Everything But The Girl - Missing | | R1 | The Shamen - Ebeneezer Goode | | R1
    Faithless - insomnia | | R2 | The Stone Roses - One love | | Q
    Faith No More - Midlife Crisis | | Q | The Stone Roses - Waterfall | | R1
    Garth Brooks - Friends In Low Places | | Q | The Sundays - Summertime | | R1
    George Michael - Freedom(90) | | Q | TLC - No Scrubs | | R3
    George Michael - outside | | Q | Tom Petty - Yer So Bad | | Q
    Genesis - Jesus He Knows Me | | Q | U2 - One | | R1
    Golden Horde - Friends in time | | Q | U2 - Staring at the Sun | | Q
    Gomez - Get Myself Arrested | | Q | Underworld - Born Slippy | | Q
    Gomez - Whippin' Piccadilly | | R1 | Utah saints ft Kate Bush - something good | | R1
    GreenDay- Basket Case | | R2 | Vanilla Ice - Ice Ice Baby | | R2
    Greenday - Good Riddance | | Q | Warren G - Regulate | | Q
    Gun - Steal Your Fire | | Q | Weezer - Buddy Holly | | R1
    Guns N' Roses - November Rain | | R3 | Wet Wet Wet - Love Is All Around | | Q
    Hanson - Mmmbop | | Q | White Town - Your Woman | | R2
    Hole - Doll parts | | Q | Whitney Houston - I Will Always Love You | | Q
    Hole - Malibu | | Q | Whipping Boy - We Don't Need Nobody Else | | Q
    James - Laid | | Q | Wilson Phillips - Hold On | | R1
    Lamb - Górecki | | Q |


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