Sinn Fein's Paddy Holohan and homophobia

KiKi III

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Abd some people refuse to believe any criticism of a gay public fugure isnt homophobic, but sure here we are now

That’s the funny part. There’s an absolute trove of legitimate reasons to criticise Leo Varadkar. Dozens of them.

So why would you focus on when he chose to come out?

ohnonotgmail

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Abd some people refuse to believe any criticism of a gay public fugure isnt homophobic, but sure here we are now

when the criticism is based on the fact that they are gay then that is pretty much the definition of homophobic.

WrenBoy

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

when the criticism is based on the fact that they are gay then that is pretty much the definition of homophobic.

Gay people can have a family

dvdman1

Fair play to him....nothing homophobic whatsover in what he said.

Deebles McBeebles

Whens the PPV anyway? Holohan v Varadkar. Shame they didn't manage to get it on the undercard of the McGregor fight.

KiKi III

dvdman1 wrote: »

Fair play to him....nothing homophobic whatsover in what he said.

Questioning when someone came out (six or seven years after the fact) where it bears no relevance to any issues of the day is very obviously homophobic.

If you chat to some of your gay friends I’m sure they’ll shed some light on it for you.

FrancieBrady

When Enda Kenny made his infamous 'N' joke, the Irish Refugee Council and the Irish Council for Civil Liberties where strident in their criticism of him.

Have they made any comment here does anyone know?

Hector Savage

really regret my vote 'yes' in the 2015 marriage referendum ...

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why he mentioned his Indian blood is there in the transcript of what he said.

No, its not there in the transcript. He used that term as a racist nationalistic dog whistle.

He was making a stupid and rambling point as to why he thought Leo was separate to his history.
But by stating that Leo was obviously a part of that history, he was sure as hell wasn't saying he wasn't Irish.

He was using the oft used far-right trope about Leo's 'Indian blood' (i.e he is not pure blood Irish) makes him disconnected and less 'passionate' about Ireland i.e. He isn't as Irish as a pure stock Irishman.

He was pointing out to his 'Indian blood' specifically in making political commentary that was racist.

Seems like the UUP and SF have a lot in common about racism these days.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

When Enda Kenny made his infamous 'N' joke, the Irish Refugee Council and the Irish Council for Civil Liberties where strident in their criticism of him.

Have they made any comment here does anyone know?

But but but..., whatabout....

You really are hilarious Francie.
We may as well bring up Gerry 'I was never in the IRA' Adams into the conversation.

Woke Hogan

The racist comment is far more egregious than any homophobic inference. Indeed, had it not been for Holohan's thoughts about Varadkar's race I would have given him the benefit of the doubt regarding the "family man" remark and presumed Holohan was criticising Varadkar for not being working class enough or whatever.

Instead I can only assume the worst: Paddy Holohan is a racist and his bigotry probably extends to homophobia as well.

careless sherpa

His comment about Leo's indian heritage is certainly well off the mark. Anyone born and raised here is as Irish as he is. I would say there are plenty of children born to immigrants that could converse better as gaeilge at six years old than paddy could. No place for that nonsense among elected representatives

smurgen

I find it a bit strange that multiple papers are still discussing this and moralising. However the very same papers just bumped their news on the the homeless man that was crushed by the council in Dublin to tell us he was Eritrean.it's almost like they're telling us not to care as much,almost like they're wolf whistling themselves...almost like they're absolute hypocrites.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

No, its not there in the transcript. He used that term as a racist nationalistic dog whistle.



He was using the oft used far-right trope about Leo's 'Indian blood' (i.e he is not pure blood Irish) makes him disconnected and less 'passionate' about Ireland i.e. He isn't as Irish as a pure stock Irishman.

He was pointing out to his 'Indian blood' specifically in making political commentary that was racist.

Seems like the UUP and SF have a lot in common about racism these days.

You just won't accept the line 'Obviously Leo is a part of it (our history).

Blows all of your rant out of the water.

And I would say that Leo, when he read it, accepted that the guy couldn't make a point to save his life and just moved on.

Leaving you having to lie about what he said:


a) his linage is not part of the country He specifically pointed out that 'Obviously Leo is a part of it (our History) BUT still you attempt the lie. Pathetic at this stage.

Now you want to censor any comparisons to similar controversy's and who got involved in them.
I asked a simple question, has the Irish Council for Civil Liberties or The Refugee Council felt motivated to comment here as they were when Enda told an 'N' joke.

markodaly

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Blows all of your rant out of the water.

I'm not the person defending racist and homophobic comments about bloodlines or lack of them. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel with what little credibility you have left. Then again, you are an Irish supremacist, so it's not surprising are here defending comments, that even SF say themselves is 'unacceptable'.

As if Enda Kenny's comment has any bearing on this topic.
Create a new thread if you wish.

Mortelaro

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You just won't accept the line 'Obviously Leo is a part of it (our history).

Blows all of your rant out of the water.

And I would say that Leo, when he read it, accepted that the guy couldn't make a point to save his life and just moved on.

Leaving you having to lie about what he said:


a) his linage is not part of the country He specifically pointed out that 'Obviously Leo is a part of it (our History) BUT still you attempt the lie. Pathetic at this stage.

Now you want to censor any comparisons to similar controversy's and who got involved in them.
I asked a simple question, has the Irish Council for Civil Liberties or The Refugee Council felt motivated to comment here as they were when Enda told an 'N' joke.

Leo didn't want the argument
I don't either (though I appreciate others here do)
I think leo and his handlers quickly realised it wasn't worth it
I doubt anyone thinks his apology was genuine
There are probably people who think like Holahan even in Leo's own party but they've the cop on to stay quiet,society having moved on and all
I'd have thought Sinn Féin supported immigrants minorities etc
Displaying what he displayed was very unrepublicsn and very un sinn Féin of Holahan
There will be those who will think Holahan was a pawn here to create some sort of smokestorm to derail Fine Gael into some sort of a sideshow for a week of the short campaign
They didnt bite

SafeSurfer

With all the current drug related violence in the country it will be interesting to see if a very senior SF politician’s cocaine addiction comes up on the doorsteps. It appears to be common knowledge.

StupidLikeAFox

Leo Varadkar’s blood obviously runs to India. His great-grandfather is not part of the history of this country. Now Leo obviously is. He’s an Irish citizen but his passion doesn’t go back to the times when our passion goes back to.

"He's an Irish citizen but he is a little bit less Irish than the rest of us"

FrancieBrady

Mortelaro wrote: »

Leo didn't want the argument
I don't either (though I appreciate others here do)
I think leo and his handlers quickly realised it wasn't worth it
I doubt anyone thinks his apology was genuine
There are probably people who think like Holahan even in Leo's own party but they've the cop on to stay quiet,society having moved on and all
I'd have thought Sinn Féin supported immigrants minorities etc
Displaying what he displayed was very unrepublicsn and very un sinn Féin of Holahan
There will be those who will think Holahan was a pawn here to create some sort of smokestorm to derail Fine Gael into some sort of a sideshow for a week of the short campaign
They didnt bite

Or Leo, like me and many others see it for what it is. A clumsy and rambling attempt to make a point about something.
Not the first or last polirician to do that.

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Or Leo, like me and many others see it for what it is. A clumsy and rambling attempt to make a point about something.
Not the first or last polirician to do that.

He saw it was racism though. His statement counted it as another example of bigotry that minorities face in Ireland.

FrancieBrady

markodaly wrote: »

I'm not the person defending racist and homophobic comments about bloodlines or lack of them. You are scraping the bottom of the barrel with what little credibility you have left. Then again, you are an Irish supremacist, so it's not surprising are here defending comments, that even SF say themselves is 'unacceptable'.

As if Enda Kenny's comment has any bearing on this topic.
Create a new thread if you wish.

People who are caught lying 'lose credibility' mark. And you had to lie to get the charge to stick.

Sad but true.

Plumbthedepths

SafeSurfer wrote: »

With all the current drug related violence in the country it will be interesting to see if a very senior SF politician’s cocaine addiction comes up on the doorsteps. It appears to be common knowledge.

Sure if it's common knowledge, no harm saying who it is so. Go on.

smurgen

SafeSurfer wrote: »

With all the current drug related violence in the country it will be interesting to see if a very senior SF politician’s cocaine addiction comes up on the doorsteps. It appears to be common knowledge.

Wouldn't the more important factor in that instance for the doorsteps be Fine Gaels cuts to policing budgets?

FrancieBrady

jh79 wrote: »

He saw it was racism though. His statement counted it as another example of bigotry that minorities face in Ireland.

The question he was asked was about racism. After he accepted the apology he spoke to 'the wider issue of racism....'
His words not mine.

SafeSurfer

smurgen wrote: »

Wouldn't the more important factor in that instance for the doorsteps be Fine Gaels cuts to policing budgets?

The hypocrisy of a politician condemning those who sell drugs and those who use them while simultaneously buying and using drugs himself is something that should be questioned.

Have FG cut policing budgets or increased them?

jh79

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The question he was asked was about racism. After he accepted the apology he spoke to 'the wider issue of racism....'
His words not mine.

Yes because he was the target of racist remarks. His poor performance being due to his Indian blood.

markodaly

SafeSurfer wrote: »

With all the current drug related violence in the country it will be interesting to see if a very senior SF politician’s cocaine addiction comes up on the doorsteps. It appears to be common knowledge.

Who is this now?

markodaly

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

"He's an Irish citizen but he is a little bit less Irish than the rest of us"

This x1000

Beasty

FrancieBrady and markodaly

Cut out the mindless bickering between the pair of you, both in this thread but equally anywhere else in the forum

Any questions PM me

smurgen

SafeSurfer wrote: »

The hypocrisy of a politician condemning those who sell drugs and those who use them while simultaneously buying and using drugs himself is something that should be questioned.

Have FG cut policing budgets or increased them?

Cut significantly.in cork we had just two gardai on patrol some nights in the city centre over Xmas. Apparently 125 more are needed. Maybe a few more homeless people will be murdered and they'll up it.