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Sinn Fein's Paddy Holohan and homophobia

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    #452
    osarusan
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    Jaysus!
    Sinn Féin again distances itself from Paddy Holohan after councillor suggested underage girls are making false rape claims and blackmailing men

    Mr Holohan was interviewing Terry McMahon, the film-maker, when the pair started discussing female-only fitness classes. The Sinn Féin councillor, a former MMA fighter, suggested that he would be criticised for having male-only classes.

    Mr Holohan replied:"Now, saying that, I just want to stop you on that, there is some ****ing scum women out there as well. And I just want to say to you, there’s a situation that I heard during the week... somebody was underage, the [other] person didn’t know they were underage, the girl pursued the guy. Got whatever she needed, had pictures, had videos, and then said 'I want 10 grand'.

    The pair went on to discuss the ethics of always believing victims of sexual violence. Mr Holohan suggested that men suffered from double standards, and said a woman could joke about chopping a man's dick off, but a man can't joke about his"bitch" getting into bed, and her annoying him so much that he"strangled her and boxed the head off her".


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    #453
    FrancieBrady
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    They did at first.

    Not aware that they did. Can you link?

    Holohan is stupid and a fool. I still don't think his comments were racist or homophobic though.

    The guy doesn't seem to have the coherence to actually make a cogent point. I said that from first comment here.


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    #454
    JohnnyFlash
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    Nearly a Jonathan Dowdall level fück up by the Shinners.


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    #455
    blanch152
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Not aware that they did. Can you link?

    Holohan is stupid and a fool. I still don't think his comments were racist or homophobic though.

    The guy doesn't seem to have the coherence to actually make a cogent point. I said that from first comment here.

    Where do you get that they are not standing by him? Everyone else thinks they are.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/editorial-sinn-fein-fails-vital-test-as-parties-jostle-for-votes-38869540.html


    "The only thing more shocking than the appalling remarks made by Sinn Féin Councillor Paddy Holohan about Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was the fact the party is standing by him."

    "party leader Mary Lou McDonald felt she did not believe Mr Holohan - who topped the poll in Tallaght South - should resign and nor would he be removed from the party."


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    #456
    super_furry
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    blanch152 wrote: »

    "party leader Mary Lou McDonald felt she did not believe Mr Holohan - who topped the poll in Tallaght South - should resign and nor would he be removed from the party."

    That's changed now. She's lost two days of campaigning to him now and with so much that she could throw at Fine Gael over the last few days to be stuck answering questions about some Conor McGregor lackey will have her ready to dump him entirely.


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    #457
    is_that_so
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    He probably hasn't broken any party rules. Being an idiot is not grounds to eject him. As others have suggested they need to comb through the rest of his podcasts. I think they'll admonish him but will own it for the campaign.


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    #458
    markodaly
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Yes. You rushed into blindly defend.

    This x1000


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    #459
    IAMAMORON
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    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind, i genuinely dont believe he meant any harm in what he said. People should have more respect for councillors, everyone says stupid things sometimes.


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    #460
    golfball37
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    Where do you get that they are not standing by him? Everyone else thinks they are.

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/editorial/editorial-sinn-fein-fails-vital-test-as-parties-jostle-for-votes-38869540.html


    "The only thing more shocking than the appalling remarks made by Sinn Féin Councillor Paddy Holohan about Taoiseach Leo Varadkar was the fact the party is standing by him."

    "party leader Mary Lou McDonald felt she did not believe Mr Holohan - who topped the poll in Tallaght South - should resign and nor would he be removed from the party."
    Thats an INdo editorial piece, not fact.


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    #461
    KiKi III
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind, i genuinely dont believe he meant any harm in what he said. People should have more respect for councillors, everyone says stupid things sometimes.

    Whether he meant harm are not, the statements are harmful.


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    #462
    markodaly
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    I am sure, there are people now looking back at what else he said on this podcast. How many podcats has he done? Over 100 I think. No doubt there will be other little tidbits of random nasties and disgustingness to be found.

    Unlike SF, they are normally a well-oiled machine, but it appears MLD is out of her depth. This is going to bite her and the weekend press coverage will be filled about this stuff on how she is losing control, especially as McGregor is fighting over the weekend.

    Let's be honest here, SF has recently skirted between the liberal woke bridge to the nasty Irish supremacist divide. They should pick one side because at the moment, they are falling between two stools.

    It also makes a mockery at those that defended him and his views. Egg.on.face.


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    #463
    is_that_so
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind, i genuinely dont believe he meant any harm in what he said. People should have more respect for councillors, everyone says stupid things sometimes.
    Speaking your mind and using a platform you do not own to do so are two very different things.


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    #464
    Salary Negotiator
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind, i genuinely dont believe he meant any harm in what he said. People should have more respect for councillors, everyone says stupid things sometimes.

    Of course he is, but that doesn't mean he should also escape the consequences of speaking his mind.

    The free speech/free country line gets trotted out every time when someone says something stupid by people who obviously don't understand what it means.


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    #465
    markodaly
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind, i genuinely dont believe he meant any harm in what he said. People should have more respect for councillors, everyone says stupid things sometimes.

    As an elected councilour he should mind his mouth and not come out with racist dog whistles about 'Indian Blood', or misogynistic crap about 'sluts' as he put it.

    It's one thing to say something stupid as a once-off, but this guy has form now. It's without doubt now that he is a bigot.


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    #466
    Penn
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    https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1218165100479176704


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    #467
    FrancieBrady
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    Salary Negotiator wrote: »
    Of course he is, but that doesn't mean he should also escape the consequences of speaking his mind.

    The free speech/free country line gets trotted out every time when someone says something stupid by people who obviously don't understand what it means.

    And he isn't escaping. He has been suspended apparently.

    Councillors have a habit of embarrassing the main party in this country.

    This guy is no more indicative of the entire party as two councillors in my constituency are of the FG party. 'Loadsa Money Man' and 'Broken Glass Man'

    how the party deal with him is the relevant issue. And they seem to have acted quickly here.


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    #468
    Salary Negotiator
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And he isn't escaping. He has been suspended apparently.

    I'm aware of that, my comment was in response to IAMAMORON saying
    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind,
    thus implying that he should be allowed say what he wants without fear of repercussion.


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    #469
    markodaly
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    Penn wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/sinnfeinireland/status/1218165100479176704

    To be honest, they should have done this yesterday but a day late none the less is welcome.


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    Penn
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    markodaly wrote: »
    To be honest, they should have done this yesterday but a day late none the less is welcome.

    I think one of the comments he made on its own could have been "apologise and move on", two is "we're going to look into this", and the new one about underage girls being sluts and bribing older men is three strikes, and suspending him before any more past comments he's likely made comes to light.


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    #471
    hawley
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    He should have been dumped from the party yesterday. The latest remarks are shocking. He is isn't of a suitable calibre for the Dáil. Hopefully he won't be brought forward for election.


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    #472
    Plumbthedepths
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    hawley wrote: »
    He should have been dumped from the party yesterday. The latest remarks are shocking. He is isn't of a suitable calibre for the Dáil. Hopefully he won't be brought forward for election.

    He wasn't running for the Dail, he's a sitting councillor.


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    #473
    rob316
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    Paddy's a good guy, popular with all his students and his heart is in the right place but he should stay away from politics. He's just a lad from jobstown, he's not cut out for it.


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    #474
    markodaly
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    Penn wrote: »
    I think one of the comments he made on its own could have been "apologise and move on", two is "we're going to look into this", and the new one about underage girls being sluts and bribing older men is three strikes, and suspending him before any more past comments he's likely made comes to light.

    Oh for sure. The fact that all these comments came from just one podcast is unreal. There will definitely be other nasty stuff said in the other 100+ podcasts he made.

    He should be thrown out of the party tbh. His podcasts will be a treasure trove for opponents to pick up on. Remember, he was elected a councilor only 6 months ago. The question will be asked, what were SF thinking having this guy on the books? Any due diligence?

    It will come back to MLD.


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    #475
    jh79
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    And he isn't escaping. He has been suspended apparently.

    Councillors have a habit of embarrassing the main party in this country.

    This guy is no more indicative of the entire party as two councillors in my constituency are of the FG party. 'Loadsa Money Man' and 'Broken Glass Man'

    how the party deal with him is the relevant issue. And they seem to have acted quickly here.

    So do you agree with his suspension given you think his remarks were not homophobic or racist or misogynistic?


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    #476
    FrancieBrady
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    jh79 wrote: »
    So do you agree with his suspension given you think his remarks were not homophobic or racist or misogynistic?

    Well I said way at the start of the thread that i thought he was stupid and incoherent and I wouldn't vote for him in a fit.

    So I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with.
    I think the important thing for a party as opposed to an individual is that the party has to act quickly to disassociate and to discipline if necessary.

    Seems to have happened here.


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    #477
    IAMAMORON
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well I said way at the start of the thread that i thought he was stupid and incoherent and I wouldn't vote for him in a fit.

    So I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with.
    I think the important thing for a party as opposed to an individual is that the party has to act quickly to disassociate and to discipline if necessary.

    Seems to have happened here.

    I do not agree. People should be entitled to speak from their hearts. Total overeaction.


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    #478
    jh79
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Well I said way at the start of the thread that i thought he was stupid and incoherent and I wouldn't vote for him in a fit.

    So I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with.
    I think the important thing for a party as opposed to an individual is that the party has to act quickly to disassociate and to discipline if necessary.

    Seems to have happened here.

    But you don't believe he said anything homophobic or racist or misogynistic, so why do you agree with his suspension if he is not guilty of any of those things?


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    #479
    KiKi III
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    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    I do not agree. People should be entitled to speak from their hearts. Total overeaction.

    He is entitled to speak from his heart. No one is suggesting he should be censored. But all actions have consequences. Mary Lou is trying to turn SF into a progressive party, and the nature of party politics is you tow the line on party positions or go your own way.


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    #480
    Plumbthedepths
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    Good to see a party act swiftly against one of its members. If he wants to talk that type of sh!t let him off ( let the authorities deal with him if warranted)but he should enjoy no party support. Again nice to see swift action.
    A sitting TD who tried to shake down a business for 20k never got kicked out of their party even after it did damage at the local elections. Ah well I guess some parties have a higher standard.


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    #481
    FrancieBrady
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    jh79 wrote: »
    But you don't believe he said anything homophobic or racist or misogynistic, so why do you agree with his suspension if he is not guilty of any of those things?

    Because he is stupid and rude and incoherent and I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with?

    If SF think he was racist and homophobic and now misogynistic they are totally correct to dump him out.


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