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Sinn Fein's Paddy Holohan and homophobia

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    #482
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Because he is stupid and rude and incoherent and I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with?

    If SF think he was racist and homophobic and now misogynistic they are totally correct to dump him out.

    but you dont agree that he was racist and homophobic so how can you agree with the party suspending him?


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    #483
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    There is nothing progressive about stoping people speaking their minds.

    What sort of a country do you want ?


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    #484
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Really doesn't surprise me at all that Holohan was reading from the "loads of women are scheming whores" playbook. It fits very well with the racism and homophobia, they're 3 specific things that usually appear together in niche communities of angry male losers; John Waters, the people who support g o'd, that moron in the UK and that other british ex-soldier who came over here talking about celtic purity and irishness.

    He'll have a column on gript this time next week and someone from the Iona institute will be around, defending Holohan's right to free speech.


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    #485
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    but you dont agree that he was racist and homophobic so how can you agree with the party suspending him?

    If SF think he was racist and homophobic and now misogynistic they are totally correct to dump him out.

    As I said a few times now, I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with.


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    #486
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    There is nothing progressive about stoping people speaking their minds.

    What sort of a country do you want ?

    nobody is stopping him from speaking his mind. but you cant expect to say anything you want with repurcussions.


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    #487
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    If SF think he was racist and homophobic and now misogynistic they are totally correct to dump him out.

    As I said a few times now, I wouldn't have had him in the party to begin with.

    but you dont think he is racist and homophobic which means you think SF are wrong to think he is racist and homophobic and are wrong to dump him out. that is pretty straightforward logic.


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    #488
    walshb
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    They are right to drop him

    More worrying is who ever thought him a good fit in the first place?


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    #489
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    walshb wrote: »
    They are right to drop him

    More worrying is who ever thought him a good fit in the first place?

    he appeals to a certain demographic.


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    #490
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,370 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he appeals to a certain demographic.

    Exactly!


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    #491
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    nobody is stopping him from speaking his mind. but you cant expect to say anything you want with repurcussions.
    NAIL ON THE HEAD


    Also he isn't just insulting Leo - he's implying everyone mixed race isn't as Irish as the rest of us. Fair play to Varadkar for just taking it on the chin and moving on but it's an insult to other people to like Nift's daughter.


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    #492
    LaFuton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 784 ✭✭✭LaFuton


    wasnt sinn féin Pro abortion? so thats as low a bench mark as u can get


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    #493
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    LaFuton wrote: »
    wasnt sinn féin Pro abortion? so thats as low a bench mark as u can get

    Pro abortion rights certainly and 2/3rds of the country agreed with them so not such a low benchmark at all.


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    #494
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    but you dont think he is racist and homophobic which means you think SF are wrong to think he is racist and homophobic and are wrong to dump him out. that is pretty straightforward logic.

    Yes, I do. I thought I'd made that clear.


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    #495
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    LaFuton wrote: »
    wasnt sinn féin Pro abortion? so thats as low a bench mark as u can get

    So was Lab/FF/FG but I think you are confusing pro abortion with what all parties actually campaigned for which was ProChoice. You know the woman's right to decide upon her own health etc.


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    #496
    IAMAMORON
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,078 ✭✭✭IAMAMORON


    Everyone says things that other people do not agree with. But suspending members is pointless. He is a councillor with a mandate, he deserves more respect.


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    #497
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Everyone says things that other people do not agree with. But suspending members is pointless. He is a councillor with a mandate, he deserves more respect.

    after the ****e he came out with he deserves no respect. He embarrassed the party.


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    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    he appeals to a certain demographic.

    Well, it could be worse, he could be in the IRA. :o


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    #499
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Everyone says things that other people do not agree with. But suspending members is pointless. He is a councillor with a mandate, he deserves more respect.

    You can’t have your cake and eat it. If you want to be able to say whatever you want, run as an independent. If you want SF votes, funding, resources, canvassers etc, you’ve got to tow the line.


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    #500
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    markodaly wrote: »
    Well, it could be worse, he could be in the IRA. :o
    Michael Collins was in the 'Ra!


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    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Everyone says things that other people do not agree with. But suspending members is pointless. He is a councillor with a mandate, he deserves more respect.

    Oh great, another one. Have you been taking talking points from the other resident apologist on this topic as well?

    Just because he is a councilor doesn't give him free rein to talk **** and get away with it.


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    #502
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,184 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    Everyone says things that other people do not agree with. But suspending members is pointless. He is a councillor with a mandate, he deserves more respect.

    He doesn't lose his seat, or the right to speak, he just doesn't have the party banner to sit under, or the party machine behind him. 'Loadsa Money' up here is still a councillor.


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    #503
    Plumbthedepths
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    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    after the ****e he came out with he deserves no respect. He embarrassed the party.

    Ah now considering the history of some members of SF , while not good optics in the run up to a GE. To suggest the party is embarrassed is stretching things.


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    #504
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Michael Collins was in the 'Ra!

    Collins was also in SInn Fein.


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    #505
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,467 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah now considering the history of some members of SF , while not good optics in the run up to a GE. To suggest the party is embarrassed is stretching things.

    fair point. that would be a very high bar indeed.


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    #506
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,340 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Why?!?!?

    Why are people being held accountable for the things they say??!?!

    What about free speech? I thought this was America! Ireland.


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    #507
    KiKi III
    Registered Users Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭KiKi III


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah now considering the history of some members of SF , while not good optics in the run up to a GE. To suggest the party is embarrassed is stretching things.

    The threshold for embarrassment is lowered considerably in election season.


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    #508
    dobby896
    Registered Users Posts: 162 ✭✭dobby896


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Ah now considering the history of some members of SF , while not good optics in the run up to a GE. To suggest the party is embarrassed is stretching things.

    Definitely an embarrassing thorn in SF's new 'woke' side imo


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    #509
    RobMc59
    Registered Users Posts: 4,831 ✭✭✭RobMc59


    IAMAMORON wrote: »
    This is a free country , he is entitled to speak his mind, i genuinely dont believe he meant any harm in what he said. People should have more respect for councillors, everyone says stupid things sometimes.

    In this day and age of PC his comments were unacceptable and if he doesn't resign himself he may be forced to-it probably depends on if adverse publicity starts to affect the SF leaders who will drop him like a hot stone.


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    #510
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,178 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    dobby896 wrote: »
    Definitely an embarrassing thorn in SF's new 'woke' side imo

    They're going to have a bit of a job reconciling the new, cuddly "hyper-woke" SF with some of their membership with, shall we say, lower hairlines and oddly rounded shoulders. :pac:


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    #511
    Ironicname
    Registered Users Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭Ironicname


    super_furry wrote:
    Why are people trying to hold someone accountable for the things they say??!?!

    People should absolutely be accountable for what they say.

    I don't however think that calling what he said about Leo racist or homophobic is accurate.

    I don't like the man and I don't like sinn fein but I think this has been blown out of all proportion.


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