Sir David warns us, the crisis has come

Kivaro

Irrespective of how the last post about Africa was presented (edit: which is now deleted), there is the point of the doubling of the population in Africa in 30 years. By then, half of the population will be under the age of 25. Where is the employment in Africa to sustain such a huge growth? And where are the resources to feed that huge growth?
If the growth rate continues in Africa, they will represent 40% of the world's population by the end of the century.

We also need to accept that Leitrim and Roscommon has finite capacity, so another plan is required for the African explosion in the coming years.

TuringBot47

Kivaro wrote: »

Irrespective of how the last post about Africa was presented (edit: which is now deleted), there is the point of the doubling of the population in Africa in 30 years.

Feck... if that's true.

The equatorial regions will be seriously uninhabitable.
Unless Africa can transform huge regions into solar farms and desalinate sea water in a cost effective way. Even then, that's not a particularly labour intensive / job rich industry when it's up and running.

Kivaro

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Feck... if that's true.

The equatorial regions will be seriously uninhabitable.
Unless Africa can transform huge regions into solar farms and desalinate sea water in a cost effective way. Even then, that's not a particularly labour intensive / job rich industry when it's up and running.

And definitely not sufficient to sustain a population of almost 2 1/2 Billion living there in 30 years.

Royale with Cheese

Let me preface this with saying I'm definitely not a climate change denier and think it's a very important issue, however...

Someone at the BBC has a serious hard on for climate issues. This was their top story earlier today, which amounted to nothing more than a few quotes from a David Attenborough interview. They do this constantly with climate issues.

TuringBot47

Kivaro wrote: »

And definitely not sufficient to sustain a population of almost 2 1/2 Billion living there in 30 years.

I do remember some criticism against Bob Geldof for BandAid/LiveAid during the Ethiopian famine.
That it artificially supporting their population beyond the numbers it could naturally support.
You could argue it caused more suffering/famine or reliance on foreign aid.

Paddygreen

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Let me preface this with saying I'm definitely not a climate change denier and think it's a very important issue, however...

Someone at the BBC has a serious hard on for climate issues. This was their top story earlier today, which amounted to nothing more than a few quotes from a David Attenborough interview. They do this constantly with climate issues.

The BBC is at the cutting edge of raising awareness about climate chaos. Sir David was the director General for a brief period if I'm not mistaken. A fantastic organisation. Rye is doing its part too to drive home the message.

Fr_Dougal

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have made an artificial bog in my back garden. Basically I dug a ten by ten foot hole, lined it with plastic and filled it with water. I buy nets of firewood a petrol station nearby and deposit the contents in the water. Basically it is a form of carbon sequestration. The wood soaks with water and sinks eventually. I have about ten nets of firewood deposited so far.

Sounds fascinating. What have you called your bog?

maccored

TwoMonthsOff wrote: »

I'm still waiting on the promised ice age we would be in before 2020, among other ridiculous climate predictions made. So forgive us for not taking it serious.

australia burning down with the highest temperatures theyve ever had isnt bad enough - you want an ice age to pop up as well ...

Eric Cartman

Paddygreen wrote: »

Yes we have. Check out some of the XR videos on YouTube concerning climate justice.

so are you saying XR also align with the rest of the socialist left agenda ?

Thelonious Monk

Eric Cartman wrote: »

so are you saying XR also align with the rest of the socialist left agenda ?

It's all a big plot to bring black people into the country and move them next door to you for free while you pay a big mortgage. Also we want to tax working people more to give increases to people on the dole.

Bob Harris

I must say I'm surprised that Srameen hasn't been along to tell us about being friends with David Attenborough.

Eric Cartman

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

It's all a big plot to bring black people into the country and move them next door to you for free while you pay a big mortgage. Also we want to tax working people more to give increases to people on the dole.

That would be funny if it wasnt a massive oversimplification written in a smug tone of whats actually happening

bullpost

Paddygreen wrote: »

You must be ancient if you remember Monty python. Step aside, make way for younger people who understand the science and realise the facts about the climate emergency.

Wow - You've obviously read " How to Win Friends and Influence People". Just to jog your memory, Sir David is not a young man

_Kaiser_

Paddygreen wrote: »

Yes we have. Check out some of the XR videos on YouTube concerning climate justice.

So, you're a representative of this lot then? Isn't there some rule about shilling without declaring it first?

washman3

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have made an artificial bog in my back garden. Basically I dug a ten by ten foot hole, lined it with plastic and filled it with water. I buy nets of firewood a petrol station nearby and deposit the contents in the water. Basically it is a form of carbon sequestration. The wood soaks with water and sinks eventually. I have about ten nets of firewood deposited so far.

Jump in yourself as well....!!

jimgoose

Paddygreen wrote: »

I have made an artificial bog in my back garden. Basically I dug a ten by ten foot hole, lined it with plastic and filled it with water. I buy nets of firewood a petrol station nearby and deposit the contents in the water. Basically it is a form of carbon sequestration. The wood soaks with water and sinks eventually. I have about ten nets of firewood deposited so far.

Sounds like a lot of hassle. I have two real bogs in the house, they flush an' everything.

TomSweeney

Paddygreen wrote: »

I'm thinking of you. You are on point when it comes to sticking it to deniers on here. You consistently rebuke their pathetic arguments. And your sustainable lifestyle brother, you really practice what you preach.

What's a denier though ?
I can't stand this Greta movement , but I'm not a denier, I know it's real and it's happening.
But the movement are pure hypocrites that are virtue signalling rather then doing something positive - like changing their own lifestyles.
Also media and govt are using it to just push for more taxes, make no mistake this is all about money.

blinding

How Green is it to be as super wealthy as David Attenborough ? ?

He obviously has accrued way more than he will ever need i.e. In No Way Green What so ever !

Mr Attenborough needs to live his life as he preaches . Being Super wealthy is in no way practising what he preaches.

His problem is very easily addressed.

is_that_so

TomSweeney wrote: »

What's a denier though ?
I can't stand this Greta movement , but I'm not a denier, I know it's real and it's happening.
But the movement are pure hypocrites that are virtue signalling rather then doing something positive - like changing their own lifestyles.
Also media and govt are using it to just push for more taxes, make no mistake this is all about money.

It's the standard of what is called debate these days and harks back to that primitive form of activism - if you're not for it, you're agin' it. It also mirrors a general real life intolerance on all sides of discussions and encourages people to revert to playground name-calling taunts.

kildare lad

I don't know what the big debate is , how is looking after our planet such a conspiracy. What a lot of climate deniers use for their debate is that the climate has always changed . That is correct, but what they fail to mention is everytime there's been a major climate event in Earth's history , is that it's been followed by mass extinction of animals that can't adopt to the changes. It won't affect us to much because of our climate but people who live in warm climate it will .

The war in Syria can be partly blamed on climate change . Theyd the worse drought in years , many from the countryside went to the cities for work, when they couldn't find work , they started protests and it sort of snowballed from there .

I wonder if people are just against climate change is because it's "libtards or snowflakes" that are on the side of climate change. From browsing on comments on facebooks when the topic comes up, the amount of dumb / ignorant people on this planet is mind boggling . It's seems they know more about science and the climate than climate scientists do.

kildare lad

Kivaro wrote: »

A good deal of the over-anxious climate change supporters are focusing on the wrong message.
The world needs to focus on sustainability and pollution.
Stop polluting the world's rivers, lakes, and oceans. And stop polluting our air with noxious fumes of coal-burning and other similar materials.

Sustainability can be achieved in power generation by using natural resources in an efficient manner; and not used as a mechanism to make profit. The nuclear option should be re-considered. There can also be sustainability efforts in general industry, farming, recycling, and most facets of our lives. And stop over-fishing of the world's oceans.

It would be easier to focus on sustainability and pollution than jump up and down screaming that the sky is falling with climate change. You would get better buy-in from the world as a whole.

Our seas are being raped at an industrial level , the last few years the numbers of cormorants coming inland is huge , over Xmas there were 7 of them on my local canal one morning. There's just too many humans on this planet and we're using up the resources at an alarming level .

ghost of ireland past

It is political suicide to attempt to address climate change on a single country basis.

The entire world is using carbon, not just the Irish.

This is called 'the tragedy of the commons', or 'The co-operation problem', where humanity cannot agree to do something about climate change, and so we do nothing, and the world will be wrecked.

But the world is being wrecked in lots of other ways and the politicians don't care. So I refuse to support one sided climate change policies.

I will not support a government that attempts to put the costs of climate change onto ordinary people. Let the rich pay, and I am serious about that.

The existence of billionaires when there is such poverty in the world is a disgrace. Let the politicians fix that.

China may yet save the world for us all, if they don't then nobody will in my opinion.

We should sign up to Belt and Road.

Blanco100

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

It is political suicide to attempt to address climate change on a single country basis.

The entire world is using carbon, not just the Irish.

This is called 'the tragedy of the commons', or 'The co-operation problem', where humanity cannot agree to do something about climate change, and so we do nothing, and the world will be wrecked.

But the world is being wrecked in lots of other ways and the politicians don't care. So I refuse to support one sided climate change policies.

I will not support a government that attempts to put the costs of climate change onto ordinary people. Let the rich pay, and I am serious about that.

The existence of billionaires when there is such poverty in the world is a disgrace. Let the politicians fix that.

China may yet save the world for us all, if they don't then nobody will in my opinion.

We should sign up to Belt and Road.

Whats the rationale for the theory that China may save us?

Hamsterchops

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Someone at the BBC has a serious hard on for climate issues. This was their top story earlier today, which amounted to nothing more than a few quotes from a David Attenborough interview. They do this constantly with climate issues.

SKY News also seem to be obsessed....

Aviation, shipping, diesel trains, lorries, must all take a lot of blame for Co2 emissions being pumped into the atmos!

But what alternatives do they have, solar powered 747s, ten tonne EV freight lorries?

ghost of ireland past

Blanco100 wrote: »

Whats the rationale for the theory that China may save us?

The rationale is that China are telling the truth when China says it doesn't want to see the world destroyed by climate change.

Politicians in the west do not take a long term view to anything. The Chinese only take a long term view. China has existed for 5,000 years, it is the Earth's oldest civilisation. China doesn't take self destructive paths like the west does, or at least, I'm hopeful that it doesn't.

Politicians in the west do not know how to take a long term view, they only look to the next election.

The solution to climate change might be carbon sequester, powered by nuclear fusion energy.

It likely will take large amounts of energy to sequester carbon from the atmosphere. We cannot use fossil fuels to get that energy as it would be counter productive. The sun doesn't provide enough I don't think but maybe it could with new technology.

Clean nuclear, if we can manage it, could produce enough energy.

blinding

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SKY News also seem to be obsessed....

Aviation, shipping, diesel trains, lorries, must all take a lot of blame for Co2 emissions being pumped into the atmos!

But what alternatives do they have, solar powered 747s, ten tonne EV freight lorries?

You certainly get the impression that the Sky News Owners must have invested heavily in the Green Industry. Do they have to come Green Clean on this stuff ?:eek:

Paddygreen

Paddygreen wrote: »

One of the greatest human beings alive Sir David Attenborough has yet again sounded a trumpet of warning. Are we listening? Are we behind the science? are we willing to make the sacrifices that will be needed. The climate emergency won't wait for people who are still on the fence to make the right decision. Climate action is needed now. Let us demand that our leaders push forward with haste the implementation of mitigation measures in the fight to regain climate stability. The greatest challenge ever faced by humanity demands that is our duty to act and change our behaviour..

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51123638

One of the greatest human beings alive?? Oh behave.

Yes he does good documentaries but people seem to be missing the glaring irony that this lad has travelled every crevice of the globe and now he is lecturing us on climate change?

How'd he get all over the world with a camera crew?? Bicycle?? :rolleyes:

blinding

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the greatest human beings alive?? Oh behave.

Yes he does good documentaries but people seem to be missing the glaring irony that this lad has travelled every crevice of the globe and now he is lecturing us on climate change?

How'd he get all over the world with a camera crew?? Bicycle?? :rolleyes:

Do as you are told and not as David has done and does:eek:

Know your place; At home living what David decrees is the ‘ good life ‘ for you:eek:

And Sir David with look after his Vast Wealth ( which is in no way Green, except the Greenbacks )

Just another Hypocrite shovelling down his $h!t on the underlings !:eek:

rob316

rob316 wrote: »

I'm more concerned about our level of consumption. We are trashing the planet at an alarming rate and sleep walking into a ecological disaster.

I can certainly get behind the whole worry about waste and plastic in the sea fair enough but i feel the message that should be aimed at corporations is being aimed at ordinary consumers

Thelonious Monk

Deleted User wrote: »

One of the greatest human beings alive?? Oh behave.

Yes he does good documentaries but people seem to be missing the glaring irony that this lad has travelled every crevice of the globe and now he is lecturing us on climate change?

How'd he get all over the world with a camera crew?? Bicycle?? :rolleyes:

Just because David Attenborough flies around with camera crews to make important documentaries on the planet and wildlife doesn't mean it's ok for everyone to be flying 10 times a year.