Bring back the death penalty

marieholmfan

Deleted User wrote: »

With the recent spate of horrific murders, I think it's high time we brought back the death penalty. For premeditated murders like those in the news where the conviction is beyond reasonable doubt I see no reason not to.

There is no deterrent now. Jail is like high quality social housing with private dental and healthcare thrown in.

People who commit crimes like the dismembement of that 17 year old should get the death penalty.

What say ye?

Very sensible. But we shouldn't allow years of appeals and no one should be executed for killing a pensioner.

marieholmfan

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Said study would also have to prove that it would be impossible for an innocent person to be put to death.

Bad stuff happens. How is death by hanging different from death from ovarian cancer? It would just be bad luck.

marieholmfan

whisky_galore wrote: »

It ain't going to happen as EU members it's what Ireland has signed up to, no EU member state has capital punishment anymore, so we'll put this hang em high/fry the bastards fantasy to bed shall we?

We'd just have to pay a fine or something.

super_furry

As long as you'd be happy with the likes of the Birmingham Six and and Guildford Four being executed, go for it.

marieholmfan

super_furry wrote: »

As long as you'd be happy with the likes of the Birmingham Six and and Guildford Four being executed, go for it.

Obviously I wouldn't be in favour of people being framed.

osarusan

marieholmfan wrote: »

Bad stuff happens. How is death by hanging different from death from ovarian cancer? It would just be bad luck.

Jesus christ, what a moronic attempted comparison.

marieholmfan

osarusan wrote: »

Jesus christ, what a moronic attempted comparison.

Well you're letting the best be the enemy of the good.

If you can't be sure that you won't hang any one who is innocent then you can't hang anyone who is guilty.

I may be oversimplifying your point of view but I don't think so.

super_furry

marieholmfan wrote: »

Obviously I wouldn't be in favour of people being framed.

Ah right. Well then, best not to take the chance so, death penalties off the menu.

Sorry.

notobtuse

We have the death penalty in the state (USA) where I live, although our governor has defied the will of the people and has currently issued a moratorium on the death penalty. But it has been very hard in the state to actually receive the death penalty, and harder yet to execute. Only 3 men have been executed since 1995 and there are less than 150 currently on death row. Recently, the death penalty has fallen out of favor with our state’s prosecutors as scores of them have been thrown out at appeals.

Good or bad? Good, IMO as a sentence of life in prison is disproportionate to the most heinous of capital crimes committed.

Muahahaha

I can never understand why we dont just place ankle tags on anyone who is released from prison, at lease for two or three years after release. Surely that would go a long way to preventing them from committing more crime. Like you're not going to go rob a bank or post office if you know the Gardai have your exact location 24/7.

Guy:Incognito

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

It baffles me that some people think that letting the state execute people in their custody is a good thing. By all means, feel free to post a scientific study showing that the death penalty offers good value for money and serves as an effective deterrent but the existence of such a study seems to be highly unlikely.

It doesnt act as a deterrent but it 100% stops reoffending.

flazio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With the recent spate of horrific murders, I think it's high time we brought back the death penalty. For premeditated murders like those in the news where the conviction is beyond reasonable doubt I see no reason not to.

There is no deterrent now. Jail is like high quality social housing with private dental and healthcare thrown in.

People who commit crimes like the dismembement of that 17 year old should get the death penalty.

What say ye?

I say, would you be willing to be the executioner? Because if not, you have no right to ask the state to kill on your behalf.

JohnnyFlash

I always get the feeling that people who advocate for the death penalty are short-arsed incels who spend far too much time watching far-right political ‘commentators’ from the States.

MayoAreMagic

Im not sure if the death penalty is the answer here. However, there is an issue arising around career criminals with ridiculous amounts of convictions who basically make their living off terror and violence and have no plans on changing tack. There is assumption made with the current system that people want to be normal members of society and that is where it is flawed.
Unflinchingly harsher conditions is something that should be seriously considered for people in this scenario. If people repeatedly refuse to partake in society, they should be kept out of it. Any monies or things of value they have should be taken to pay for keeping them.

joe40

I don't see how the death penalty would act as a deterrent for our gangland criminals when death seems to be an occupational hazard they have all the time.
All the criminals killed recently knew their lives were at risk it did not make them change their ways. Why would the threat of a death penalty by the state be any different.

splinter65

Whoever gave the orders for the 17 year old to be abducted tortured murdered and dismembered cannot be rehabilitated. He or she is without any skills to live amongst other humans. It’s a simple as that.
The actual killers are equally beyond redemption.
They simply must be removed from society but not by killing them.
No parole no day release just taken away and treated humanely just none of the things that people reward themselves with for living decent lives, like mobile phones, the internet or TV.
I know that they are the way they are as a result of background etc but lots of people have a horrific upbringing but don’t end up ordering the decapitated head of their enemy to be thrown on a lawn in a housing estate.
So just take them away but don’t kill them.

elperello

The longer these threads about the death penalty go on the better for the experts on how to deal with criminals.
Almost anyone sounds reasonable.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

With the recent spate of horrific murders, I think it's high time we brought back the death penalty. For premeditated murders like those in the news where the conviction is beyond reasonable doubt I see no reason not to.

There is no deterrent now. Jail is like high quality social housing with private dental and healthcare thrown in.

People who commit crimes like the dismembement of that 17 year old should get the death penalty.

What say ye?

That would just create more revenge attacks imo.

Our guy got the death penalty for murdering your guy ..so now we are going to murder another one of your guys.

jaxxx

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

That would just create more revenge attacks imo.

Our guy got the death penalty for murdering your guy ..so now we are going to murder another one of your guys.

An eye for an eye, will inevitably turn the whole world blind.

Pauliedragon

A large chunk of drugs are trafficked from countries with the death penalty for such offences. The deterent argument doesn't seem to stack up in that department.

ILoveYourVibes

jaxxx wrote: »

An eye for an eye, will inevitably turn the whole world blind.

Yep. But there are those who will say lets take toes instead!

People always think they are smarter than everyone else. Whether that be book smart or street smart.

They always think they are 3 steps ahead of everyone etc. They know it all.

They think they have every consequence wrapped up.

Galwayguy35

Saw a programme about Black Dolphin prison in Russia, let the scumbags spend the rest of their life in a place like that and it would be a better solution than any death penalty.

Millionaire only not

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Another misconception.


Death sentences actually cost more than imprisonment.

They wouldn’t if they stoped taking the guns off the scum bags !

Millionaire only not

Pauliedragon wrote: »

A large chunk of drugs are trafficked from countries with the death penalty for such offences. The deterent argument doesn't seem to stack up in that department.

Them people have nothing to live on and no dole office either !

Millionaire only not

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Yep. But there are those who will say lets take toes instead!

People always think they are smarter than everyone else. Whether that be book smart or street smart.

They always think they are 3 steps ahead of everyone etc. They know it all.

They think they have every consequence wrapped up.

Yes cut the big toe they’ve no balance left and it’s a sentence they won’t forget

Gobb

Agree.

Eye for an eye.

Pauliedragon

Millionaire only not wrote: »

Them people have nothing to live on and no dole office either !

There's a few westerners been executed over the years. The Aussie bali 9 comes to mind. 2 of them were executed a few years ago. They have dole over there didnt stop them.

Dakota Dan

[Deleted User] wrote: »

THE DEATH PENALTY DOES NOT ACT AS A DETERRENCE.


Most murders are;

A) Carried out in a moment of rage.

or

Committed by someone that believes they won't be caught.

Well with the death penalty they won’t be doing it again, that’s deterrent enough.

Proper policing and sentencing might be a good start before considering the 'nuclear' option.

cj maxx

[Deleted User] wrote: »

With the recent spate of horrific murders, I think it's high time we brought back the death penalty. For premeditated murders like those in the news where the conviction is beyond reasonable doubt I see no reason not to.

There is no deterrent now. Jail is like high quality social housing with private dental and healthcare thrown in.

People who commit crimes like the dismembement of that 17 year old should get the death penalty.

What say ye?

Arm the gardai to the teeth and kill the bastards before they commit these crimes