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Boggles wrote: »

WTF?

Complete Helen Lovejoy'esque hyperbolic nonsense

You don't call in the army because a few scumbags have gone nuts off their own product in Louth FFS.

Utter Lunacy.

All Gardai in Drogheda garda station have been issued with formal notice to be wary of their safety, after a member of the Gardai was followed to his home by a car full of gang members.

Boggles

Harlee Grumpy Wrinkle wrote: »

All Gardai in Drogheda garda station have been issued with formal notice to be wary of their safety, after a member of the Gardai was followed to his home by a car full of gang members.

What if the army are followed home, call in the coast guard?

The Gardaí have the expertise and the tools to deal with a handful of scum in Drogheda, people really need tone down the hyperbolic nonsense the rag tops are peddling.

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Countries (maybe x5 at most) with unarmed cops:



Either having an armed police service, or the army (likely not doing much anyway) as back-up aint no bad thing.
It's not as if they'd be doing much interaction, simply a support mechanism, and under direction.

kippy

Boggles wrote: »

What if the army are followed home, call in the coast guard?

The Gardaí have the expertise and the tools to deal with a handful of scum in Drogheda, people really need tone down the hyperbolic nonsense the rag tops are peddling.

Why do we have this problem when the Gardai have the expertise and tools to deal with it?

Boggles

kippy wrote: »

Why do we have this problem when the Gardai have the expertise and tools to deal with it?

Why does crime exist?

Seriously?

Boggles

Connor Fresh Numerology wrote: »

Countries (maybe x5 at most) with unarmed cops:



Either having an armed police service, or the army (likely not doing much anyway) as back-up aint no bad thing.
It's not as if they'd be doing much interaction, simply a support mechanism, and under direction.

Yeah, because there is no violent crime in any of those countries where the police forces are armed to the teeth. :rolleyes:

Anyway About 4,000 of the force are armed.

easypazz

Boggles wrote: »

What if the army are followed home, call in the coast guard?

The Gardaí have the expertise and the tools to deal with a handful of scum in Drogheda, people really need tone down the hyperbolic nonsense the rag tops are peddling.

Its far more than "a handful of scum"

There are drugs everywhere. The day you can't get cocaine in Ireland is the day the Gardai have won.

People point to Limerick and say job well done, and while the murders may have stopped there are still drugs everywhere.

kippy

Boggles wrote: »

Why does crime exist?

Seriously?

You are the one suggesting that the Gardai have the resources to deal with the current situation.
The Gardai themselves say they don't!
https://www.thejournal.ie/roads-policing-transfers-4960623-Jan2020/
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0121/1109769-gra/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/gardai-stretched-beyond-capacity--resources-and-reform-needed-965301.html

Boggles

easypazz wrote: »

Its far more than "a handful of scum"

There are drugs everywhere. The day you can't get cocaine in Ireland is the day the Gardai have won.

People point to Limerick and say job well done, and while the murders may have stopped there are still drugs everywhere.

So we call in the army to deal with drug dealers nationwide?

Have people been doing some early drinking on this thread?

easypazz

Boggles wrote: »

Why does crime exist?

Seriously?

It never stops. Is there a murder or attempted murder every day in Ireland?

kippy

Boggles wrote: »

So we call in the army to deal with drug dealers nationwide?

Have people been doing some early drinking on this thread?

As a short term measure - why the hell not - particularly those at the top of the chain?

easypazz

Boggles wrote: »

So we call in the army to deal with drug dealers nationwide?

Have people been doing some early drinking on this thread?

Nobody said that.

But could you have the army assisting the Gardai and customs at ports doing checks on suspect vehicles importing the stuff?

Don't see why not.

careless sherpa

Boggles wrote: »

So we have Army patrols following Gardaí?

No that would be silly.

I imagine since one of the force has been intimated they will get the funding and necessary resources to get the job done now.

They are more than capable.

One of the Gardai actually had his car burned out in cavan and nothing was done until there was international attention focused on policing in the area. Thankless job when adequate supports are not given to front line workers

jimwallace197

Connor Fresh Numerology wrote: »

Countries (maybe x5 at most) with unarmed cops:



Either having an armed police service, or the army (likely not doing much anyway) as back-up aint no bad thing.
It's not as if they'd be doing much interaction, simply a support mechanism, and under direction.

We have armed gardai just not every garda is equipped with one & you know why that is, the more guns the gards have, the more guns the criminals have.

Boggles

kippy wrote: »

You are the one suggesting that the Gardai have the resources to deal with the current situation.
The Gardai themselves say they don't!
https://www.thejournal.ie/roads-policing-transfers-4960623-Jan2020/
https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/0121/1109769-gra/
https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/views/ourview/gardai-stretched-beyond-capacity--resources-and-reform-needed-965301.html

Article on road policing and GRA taking advantage of the situation calling for more over time does not mean they are not capable of dealing with the situation in Louth.

Like I said previously on thread more resources deployed to the area will sort the problem, this will probably be met now with more urgency because one of their own was followed home.

The army do not want to the police the state nor do the Police want the army involved.

It's as simple as that, it's criminality it should be dealt with by the Gardaí supported by whatever tools they need, Detectives, Cab, Armed Response and non jury trials if needs be.

Not a bunch of squaddies walking around the town.

kippy

Boggles wrote: »

Article on road policing and GRA taking advantage of the situation calling for more over time does not mean they are not capable of dealing with the situation in Louth.

Like I said previously on thread more resources deployed to the area will sort the problem, this will probably be met now with more urgency because one of their own was followed home.

The army do not want to the police the state nor do the Police want the army involved.

It's as simple as that, it's criminality it should be dealt with by the Gardaí supported by whatever tools they need, Detectives, Cab, Armed Response and non jury trials if needs be.

Not a bunch of squaddies walking around the town.

Sound, ignore the evidence.

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Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, because there is no violent crime in any of those countries where the police forces are armed to the teeth. :rolleyes:

Stupid, (and another) desperate comparison

A bit like saying why get a burglar alarm, if some people with them, still get burgled? It's a very useful deterent, good to have.

The fact that it works for 98% of the world's countries, proves the case further.

easypazz

Boggles wrote: »

Article on road policing and GRA taking advantage of the situation calling for more over time does not mean they are not capable of dealing with the situation in Louth.

Like I said previously on thread more resources deployed to the area will sort the problem, this will probably be met now with more urgency because one of their own was followed home.

The army do not want to the police the state nor do the Police want the army involved.

It's as simple as that, it's criminality it should be dealt with by the Gardaí supported by whatever tools they need, Detectives, Cab, Armed Response and non jury trials if needs be.

Not a bunch of squaddies walking around the town.

No sooner will the Drogheda problem be resolved and there will be another murder attempt somewhere else.

Boggles

kippy wrote: »

Sound, ignore the evidence.

Where is the evidence that deploying the Irish Army on the street will reduce or solve crime?

Never mind the fact they are not actually trained to be a police force, they don't want to do it, the Gardaí don't want them and our governance would never sanction it for many reasons.

Fantasy stuff.

Boggles

easypazz wrote: »

No sooner will the Drogheda problem be resolved and there will be another murder attempt somewhere else.

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

What are you proposing?

Ash.J.Williams

Boggles wrote: »

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

What are you proposing?

do nothing?

kippy

Boggles wrote: »

Where is the evidence that deploying the Irish Army on the street will reduce or solve crime?

Never mind the fact they are not actually trained to be a police force, they don't want to do it, the Gardaí don't want them and our governance would never sanction it for many reasons.

Fantasy stuff.

You know the evidence I am talking about - but sure - ignore it.
They don't have to be a police force - the assist the police force, like they have done over the years with many other matters.

Hector Savage

wellwhynot wrote: »

According to this article there are a group of African teens running amok in West Dublin. Wonder if the lad in the above article is part of it.

The fearless yobs are “arrested every week” for violent incidents such as assault causing harm, possession of offensive weapons, violent disorder and criminal damage, according to sources.

And politicians in the areas say gardai risk setting off “a mini riot” every time they decide to put their foot down and arrest one of the youths.

The guards admit they can’t do anything. There is zero chance they will grow up to be law abiding citizens so lock them up young or in this case deport.

<snip> better leave facts out of it ..

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Boggles wrote: »

Where is the evidence that deploying the Irish Army on the street will reduce or solve crime?

Where is the evidence it won't (as a limited resource)?

Boggles wrote: »

Never mind the fact they are not actually trained to be a police force

They won't act as a regular police force, it's a technical/tactical support role and under direct instruction. Won't be doing the aul breath tests, and lost cat cases will they.

Boggles wrote: »

the Gardaí don't want them

Does seems they want something, by the way of more resources judging by recent reports and commentry, unless you want to deny such to suit yourself/your agenda.

easypazz

Boggles wrote: »

I don't understand the point you are trying to make?

What are you proposing?

This endless cycle of drug related violence is not going to stop.

Its been going on now for decades, and is getting worse.

Time to think outside the box, and try and cut off the source, increase searches and use the army as extra support if necessary.

For example increased searches at our ports.

By the way, have you a solution to end drug related violence in Ireland?

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Boggles wrote: »

Fantasy stuff.

Today's (non-fantasy) front page news says "ERU:we can't cope":
https://twitter.com/IsFearrAnStar/status/1219419546693644288
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EOw_nJMX0AAXeza.jpg

x21 unfilled posts, and waiting hours for any support.

Also wasn't that long ago that a Garda in Louth (unarmed) was taken by a criminal (armed) in a fairiy remote area. Might have been very different, if he had the capacity to respond better.

Duke of Url

jimwallace197 wrote: »

We have armed gardai just not every garda is equipped with one & you know why that is, the more guns the gards have, the more guns the criminals have.

Ive seen this statement made for the last few decades.

Where is the proof to this statement?

begbysback

easypazz wrote: »

This endless cycle of drug related violence is not going to stop.

Its been going on now for decades, and is getting worse.

Time to think outside the box, and try and cut off the source, increase searches and use the army as extra support if necessary.

For example increased searches at our ports.

By the way, have you a solution to end drug related violence in Ireland?

Trying to cut off at source is hardly thinking outside the box, legalizing drugs, now that would be thinking outside the box - all other avenues have been exhausted kid.

kippy

begbysback wrote: »

Trying to cut off at source is hardly thinking outside the box, legalizing drugs, now that would be thinking outside the box - all other avenues have been exhausted kid.

All other avenues have been exhausted is nonsense.

begbysback

kippy wrote: »

All other avenues have been exhausted is nonsense.

You have a solution that can be practically applied? I’m all ears