Is it not time EVERYONE considers not voting for FF or FG in the upcoming election

Loafing Oaf

Billcarson wrote: »

There isn't much difference between them at this stage ,many people would agree there isn't. They may aswell merge. Them being in opposition to each other has become a sham.

But from FG's and FF's own perspectives why should they merge? How would they benefit from that move?

Winning_Stroke

Not really sure why the onus is on FF and FG to merge, in order to allow some nebulous opposition to emerge. Why can't they do that now? We have a decent voting system, people can make a change. If they want.

Idbatterim

Billcarson wrote: »

There isn't much difference between them at this stage ,many people would agree there isn't. They may aswell merge. Them being in opposition to each other has become a sham.

Ff are far more populist than fg.

smurgen

Just to show how much these two parties benefit one another.here you have one of our most corrupt and incompetent former taoiseach claiming secretary fees of 26k euro for only 4 months that he was able to do due to Leo Varadkar's change in expense policy for former taoiseach. Funny also how it took a UK paper to break this

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bertie-ahern-snaps-up-26-000-secretarial-allowance-after-perk-is-reinstated-pr6vllbcd

Edgware

Why can't all the left wing parties unite?
So the Trotskyist Lenininsts could combine with the Stalinist Marxists and the Slabist Republicans.
A sure recipe for success

Eric Cartman

Edgware wrote: »

Why can't all the left wing parties unite?
So the Trotskyist Lenininsts could combine with the Stalinist Marxists and the Slabist Republicans.
A sure recipe for success

Theres only so many council house dwellers in dublin who believe their magic money tree free stuff policies. they pepper those constituencies with candidates and hope theyll be transfer friendly enough to get a few of them elected.

Wanderer78

Edgware wrote:

Why can't all the left wing parties unite? So the Trotskyist Lenininsts could combine with the Stalinist Marxists and the Slabist Republicans. A sure recipe for success

They d still struggle to form a government against ff and fg

Eric Cartman

Wanderer78 wrote: »

They d still struggle to form a government against ff and fg

No appeal rurally , thankfully the hard left will never form a government as their policies have no traction outside niche demographics in niche urban locations.

Jinglejangle69

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Theres only so many council house dwellers in dublin who believe their magic money tree free stuff policies. they pepper those constituencies with candidates and hope theyll be transfer friendly enough to get a few of them elected.

Wouldn't be so sure anymore.

Wanderer78

Eric Cartman wrote:

No appeal rurally , thankfully the hard left will never form a government as their policies have no traction outside niche demographics in niche urban locations.

Can't ever see the hard left being in government, they re too radical, and not the sharpest

Eric Cartman

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Wouldn't be so sure anymore.

still applies to the rabble rabble letter parties. new lefty SF are the only ones making any gains outside that old model, but they always over represent in polls.

Jinglejangle69

Eric Cartman wrote: »

still applies to the rabble rabble letter parties. new lefty SF are the only ones making any gains outside that old model, but they always over represent in polls.

Things are changing.

Everyone now has access to social media and lies and agendas been pushed every day by the left media.

People are believing everything they read and SF have tapped into this.

Country will have a left wing party in power in the next 5 years.

Wanderer78

Jinglejangle69 wrote:

Country will have a left wing party in power in the next 5 years.

I wouldn't be overly concerned about that, ff and fg will probably always play a significant role in forming governments

Edgware

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Things are changing.

Everyone now has access to social media and lies and agendas been pushed every day by the left media.

People are believing everything they read and SF have tapped into this.

Country will have a left wing party in power in the next 5 years.

The Seventies will be Socialist they said

Edgware

The reason people vote FF and FG is that they can't believe the gob****ery propagated by Barrett Coppinger Murphy and Co.
They will not be convinced to give anymore of their
tax money to support the spongers in society

smurgen

Christ just seeing now the reports that top RTE management met with Government 19 times in the last few weeks to secure funding. No wonder we're seeing dirty tactics regarding SF. The people will see this as the establishment closing shop.the backlash from this will be unreal. Also I never knew Simon Coveney's brother Rory is one of the top guys at RTE. RTE looking more and more like a government propaganda wing more and more.

Edgware

smurgen wrote: »

Christ just seeing now the reports that top RTE management met with Government 19 times in the last few weeks to secure funding. No wonder we're seeing dirty tactics regarding SF. The people will see this as the establishment closing shop.the backlash from this will be unreal. Also I never knew Simon Coveney's brother Rory is one of the top guys at RTE. RTE looking more and more like a government propaganda wing more and more.

Jason Byrne knew this all along
That's why the Senate House Committee wanted Threadstone shut down. Those guys out in Langley couldn't let that happen. Not after Roswell. No way.

smurgen

Edgware wrote: »

Jason Byrne knew this all along
That's why the Senate House Committee wanted Threadstone shut down. Those guys out in Langley couldn't let that happen. Not after Roswell. No way.

Sorry 14 times. The rest is accurate.

nkl12xtw5goz70

efanton wrote: »

Would you continue to go to a shop or restaurant where the service is atrocious, because you dont know what the service in an alternative is like?

Do you remember Pearse Doherty flying off to Greece to support Syriza? Or Ruth Coppinger calling on the government to nationalize Dell? Or the numerous other instances when the Irish political left have shown themselves to be completely and utterly insane?

Your argument is akin to saying that if I'm not entirely happy with my GP, I may as well give the local witch doctor a chance because I've never been to a witch doctor before and don't know what that would be like.

No thanks. People's jobs and futures are on the line here. There's far too much at stake to give the likes of Pearse Doherty, Mary Lou McDonald, Ruth Coppinger, Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett, etc., their "turn" at running the country.

smurgen

Brynlee Rhythmic Sympathy wrote: »

Do you remember Pearse Doherty flying off to Greece to support Syriza? Or Ruth Coppinger calling on the government to nationalize Dell? Or the numerous other instances when the Irish political left have shown themselves to be completely and utterly insane?

Your argument is akin to saying that if I'm not entirely happy with my GP, I may as well give the local witch doctor a chance because I've never been to a witch doctor before and don't know what that would be like.

No thanks. People's jobs and futures are on the line here. There's far too much at stake to give the likes of Pearse Doherty, Mary Lou McDonald, Ruth Coppinger, Paul Murphy, Richard Boyd Barrett, etc., their "turn" at running the country.

People's lives and jobs? You're giving FG too much credit. They've done nothing to foster job growth.it's the rise of the global economy that's done this. Once a crash comes they will not be able to do a single thing to prevent job losses.they proof of this is their support and cheerleading of Irish emigration.like it's a normal pressure valve they can use a mechanism of the boom bust economics both they are FF create.

nkl12xtw5goz70

smurgen wrote: »

People's lives and jobs? You're giving FG too much credit. They've done nothing to foster job growth.it's the rise of the global economy that's done this.

Ireland's unemployment rate is two percentage points below the EU average, while Greece (run by the Sinn Fein–backed Syriza until the middle of last year) had an unemployment rate of 16.8% in September 2019.

NIMAN

Brynlee Rhythmic Sympathy wrote: »

Ireland's unemployment rate is two percentage points below the EU average, while Greece (run by the Sinn Fein–backed Syriza until the middle of last year) had an unemployment rate of 16.8% in September 2019.

Get you away with your facts!
They aren't welcome round these parts.

metricspaces

efanton wrote: »

The best that FG can do is build less than 5000 homes and that is appalling, especially when it is recognised as a national crisis.
.

We are at or near full employment. Who were you thinking would build all these extra houses?

efanton

NIMAN wrote: »

Get you away with your facts!
They aren't welcome round these parts.

So Sinn Fein are in government in Greece now. they're getting mor popular by day.

So can we also blame FG for the atrocious carry of Victor Orban and his Fidesz far right party in Hungary and his suppression of human rights, freedom of press, and civil liberties being that they did not vote to kick him out of the EPP but only suspended him last year? Of course not.

Its ridiculous to blame a party in one country for a party's actions in another country just because they might have similar political beliefs.

efanton

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efanton

Brynlee Rhythmic Sympathy wrote: »

Ireland's unemployment rate is two percentage points below the EU average, while Greece (run by the Sinn Fein–backed Syriza until the middle of last year) had an unemployment rate of 16.8% in September 2019.

So Sinn Fein are in government in Greece now, or responsible for another government actions?

So can we also blame FG for the atrocious carry of Victor Orban and his Fidesz far right party in Hungary and his suppression of human rights, freedom of press, and civil liberties being that they did not vote to kick him out of the EPP but only suspended him last year? Of course not.

Its ridiculous to blame a party in one country for a party's actions in another country just because they might have similar political beliefs. Neither is blame by association valid.

nkl12xtw5goz70

efanton wrote: »

So Sinn Fein are in government in Greece now, or responsible for another government actions?

Sinn Féin allied itself closely with Syriza at the time, displaying the Greek flag at its public events, distributing pictures of Gerry Adams posing with Alexis Tsipras, inviting Syriza's finance minster to its Ard Fheis as a special guest, and sending its finance spokesman Pearse Doherty to Athens for the Greek bailout referendum.

Enamored by Syriza's confrontational adolescent stance toward the troika, Sinn Féin couldn't get enough of them. Even as Syriza drove Greece further into chaos, with its banks closed, capital controls imposed, nightly riots on the streets, and its economy collapsing, Sinn Féin continued cheering them on.

At very best, this showed an extraordinary lack of political judgement that should make any Irish person wary of voting for Sinn Féin.

So can we also blame FG for the atrocious carry of Victor Orban and his Fidesz far right party in Hungary...

Do you have photos of Viktor Orbán invited as a guest of honour to Fine Gael events? Examples of prominent Fine Gael party members flying to Hungary to cheer on his policies? Pictures of Fine Gaelers flying Hungarian flags in support?

Wanderer78

Brynlee Rhythmic Sympathy wrote:

Enamored by Syriza's confrontational adolescent stance toward the troika, Sinn Féin couldn't get enough of them. Even as Syriza drove Greece further into chaos, with its banks closed, capital controls imposed, nightly riots on the streets, and its economy collapsing, Sinn Féin continued cheering them on.

Its interesting how well bailing out the European banks using European tax payers money, and landing it all on the Greek tax payers shoulders, then adding insult to injury, forcing austerity measures onto the same Greeks, has done wonders for their economy! Its also interesting to see how bailing out the banks has united the EU, and stablised this unity!

Brynlee Rhythmic Sympathy wrote:

At very best, this showed an extraordinary lack of political judgement that should make any Irish person wary of voting for Sinn Féin.

Relax, sf aren't going into government any time soon, if ever.

golfball37

Again whats with the narrative that Syriza bankrupted Greece?

They got elected because the nation was stone broken, couldn't implement unrealistic polices and left office. I wouldn't vote for them but I admire them, if an Irish party had to leave office because they couldn't deliver on promises we'd have an election every 6 months.

nkl12xtw5goz70

golfball37 wrote: »

Again whats with the narrative that Syriza bankrupted Greece?

Syriza got elected during a tentative recovery, then managed to create a renewed crisis with their combative adolescent posturing toward the troika. Eventually they settled on a long series of compromises, U-turns, and retreats, during which Sinn Féin quietly disassociated themselves from their former radical left idols.

If Ireland had followed Sinn Féin's "burn the bondholders" advice during the financial crisis, we would be Greece today. Pearse Doherty, a college dropout, knows nothing about economics or finance. Forgive me for not wanting to see him elected as Minister for Finance.