General Election and Government Formation Megathread (see post #1)

ExMachina1000

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Goodness Gracious indeed;

https://money.cnn.com/2018/07/19/news/economy/new-zealand-four-day-work-week-perpetual-guardian/index.html

One company in new Zealand. Change the script

BonnieSituation

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

One company in new Zealand. Change the script

That's what they're trying to do. Clearly.

AndrewJRenko

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

One company in new Zealand. Change the script

A bit more than one - or are Microsoft some kind of lefty, hippies?

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-50287391

elperello

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I know they have to do it but these speeches add nothing really.

I agree that they can be pretty turgid but the record of the national parliament is quite important.

It's sort of the bedrock of democracy and vital to future historians.

Larbre34

Quite a few Indys voting for MM as Taoiseach, Cathal Berry, Marian Harkin I heard.

Larbre34

Quite a few Indys voting for MM as Taoiseach, Cathal Berry, Marian Harkin I heard.

Larbre34

Quite a few Indys voting for MM as Taoiseach, Cathal Berry, Marian Harkin I heard.

elperello

Larbre34 wrote: »

Quite a few Indys voting for MM as Taoiseach, Cathal Berry, Marian Harkin I heard.

I didn't hear CB but M Harkin said in her speech she was "lending" her vote to MM.

eagle eye

Gooey Looey wrote:

Ah come on, are you being selectively stupid? People voted in droves for Sinn Fein to try force a change of guard

What % voted for SF?

uptherebels

elperello wrote: »

I agree that they can be pretty turgid but the record of the national parliament is quite important.

It's sort of the bedrock of democracy and vital to future historians.

I don't believe the mumblings of DH Rae for example, will be of too much importance to future historians.

Larbre34

Came out 93 Tá, 63 Níl agus 3 staonadh

Must have been 8 or 9 indys then?

For Forks Sake

Larbre34 wrote: »

Came out 93 Tá, 63 Níl agus 3 staonadh

Must have been 8 or 9 indys then?

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1276847258844172289

elperello

uptherebels wrote: »

I don't believe the mumblings of DH Rae for example, will be of too much importance to future historians.

You would be surprised what remote corners of Dail debates and speeches can be mined for pure gold.

Every word is recorded faithfully and available online.

The Healy Rae outfit are a political phenomenon.

Michael is already a twice published author.

Larbre34

I'm surprised Denis Naughten abstained, they mustn't have won him over.

ThunbergsAreGo

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Four day week with no loss of pay she says. Goodness gracious

Who said that?

I'd love a four day week

Larbre34

Ha, brand new Lexus LS Hybrid on stand for the Taoiseach. #virtuessignalling

elperello

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ha, brand new Lexus LS Hybrid on stand for the Taoiseach. #virtuessignalling

Looking very well too

Nice product placement.

maynooth_rules

Larbre34 wrote: »

Came out 93 Tá, 63 Níl agus 3 staonadh

Must have been 8 or 9 indys then?

Technically he would have been elected without the Greens. yet still SF bots are all over social media convincing themselves this isn't democracy

uptherebels

elperello wrote: »

You would be surprised what remote corners of Dail debates and speeches can be mined for pure gold.

Every word is recorded faithfully and available online.

The Healy Rae outfit are a political phenomenon.

Michael is already a twice published author.

Oh they would be up to their necks in something alright, but it ain't gold.
They are good at playing the system. There isn't much phenomenal about that imo.
As for getting published, that in itself isn't really something of note.

uptherebels

Double post

Larbre34

maynooth_rules wrote: »

Technically he would have been elected without the Greens. yet still SF bots are all over social media convincing themselves this isn't democracy

They really need to move on and fast.

Yes, SF have a few savvy operators, but I wonder do they have the depth to mark the cream of FF and FG in cabinet? There'll be big dogs left with no job and so non-performers will feel the heat very quickly indeed.

An Ciarraioch

Latest reports suggest Stephen Donnelly, Norma Foley and Darragh O'Brien will all be in the Cabinet, while, as expected, Helen McEntee will be promoted to the senior ranks.

An Ciarraioch

McEntee first to be confirmed, as Minister for Justice.

Itssoeasy

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

McEntee first to be confirmed, as Minister for Justice.

Saw that in the other thread and big step up from European affairs.

An Ciarraioch

Cowen to Agriculture, Darragh O'Brien to Housing.

awec

Stephen Donnellys election leaflets etc were all about healthcare so it wouldn’t be a surprise if he ended up in that gig.

Have a particularly strong dislike for him, not a fan of careerists who switch parties to whoever they think will get them the best position.

devnull

I'm afraid such appointments are just the kind of thing you would come to expect from Fianna Fail to be honest, the likes of Donnelly should be nowhere near health really. I know he's a spokesperson on Health for FF previously but what is his background in health? We know Harris was a health activist for many years from a teenager but Donnelly just screams career politician who care about themselves first and foremost.

Fianna Fail hasn't changed and those who voted for them should be ashamed of themselves, although looking at the polls since the election it seems some have already realised that. Unfortunately for the rest of us who would like to have politicians who are not spoofers and careerists running departments, we're stuck with them for a while. But at least it's not a coalition where FF are the largest party by far with some smaller ones who have little influence.

The fact that someone like MM, after all his involvement with the previous FF governments is running this country now makes me feel physically sick. Any hope that I had that he had learnt something during his time in opposition quickly evaporated when I read the ridiculous tweet about Liverpool winning the English Premier League. It showed that just like FF when they were in government last, they have no principles and are happy to jump on any bandwagon to help the party out.

That being said, I think that all of the other possible outcomes after the election were worse. I just hope that FG and the Green Party's presence is enough to water down FF to an extent where they are less harmful to the progress that our great country has made since they were kicked out of office.

devnull

Fianna Fail's Darragh O'Brien has been giving Housing apparently, another baffling appointment for someone with no background for the post that they have been handed.

dublinman1990

Simon Harris is to become Minister for Higher Education & Research with Stephen Donnelly confirmed as Health Minister.

Heather Humphreys is Minister for Rural Affairs & Social Protection.

Just breaking: Hildegarde Naughton of FG is becoming a Super Junior Minister.

namloc1980

devnull wrote: »

Fianna Fail's Darragh O'Brien has been giving Housing apparently, another baffling appointment for someone with no background for the post that they have been handed.

He was the FF spokesperson for Housing since 2016 but can't say he made much of an impression.

Water John

Norma Foley will be bringing the goodies home to Kerry, Healy Raes sidelined.

L1011

Awarding a Super Junior, or even a Junior at all, to a Senator is interesting as it has never been done before. I believe this gives Hackett the right to address the Dáil the same way the Ministers who lost the seats did.

Widdensushi

It's depressing looking at the map of the constituencies of the members of cabinet, the west of the country has been completely ignored.

ExMachina1000

I was watching the speeches and was finding them boring until I realized that all of the other party members addressing them are saying the same thing. They are all left wing with some more than ever.

It's a right wing government with left wing opposition
We all know the greens are right wing from their time in government

New day for Irish politics . Right v left.

hotmail.com

Darragh O'Brien should give us some entertainment for the next few years.

Larbre34

Water John wrote: »

Norma Foley will be bringing the goodies home to Kerry, Healy Raes sidelined.

Don't you believe it.

Water John

L1011 wrote: »

Awarding a Super Junior, or even a Junior at all, to a Senator is interesting as it has never been done before. I believe this gives Hackett the right to address the Dáil the same way the Ministers who lost the seats did.

A Senator has twice been made a Cabinet Minister. Garret Fitzgerald appointed Jim Dooge to the Seante and then made him Minister for Foreign Affairs.

beggars_bush

dublinman1990 wrote: »

Simon Harris is to become Minister for Higher Education & Research with Stephen Donnelly confirmed as Health Minister.

Heather Humphreys is Minister for Rural Affairs & Social Protection.

Just breaking: Hildegarde Naughton of FG is becoming a Super Junior Minister.

Boxer Moran didn't do too well after last appointment

L1011

Water John wrote: »

A Senator has twice been made a Cabinet Minister. Garret Fitzgerald appointed Jim Dooge to the Seante and then made him Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Yes, but no Junior prior



Catherine Martin's brother appointed to the Seanad. Not nepotism at all at all!

charlie14

devnull wrote: »

I'm afraid such appointments are just the kind of thing you would come to expect from Fianna Fail to be honest, the likes of Donnelly should be nowhere near health really. I know he's a spokesperson on Health for FF previously but what is his background in health? We know Harris was a health activist for many years from a teenager but Donnelly just screams career politician who care about themselves first and fore.

Fair play to Donnelly for even wanting it.

Róisín Shorthall with all her talk about Sláinte Care ran a mile from it when it was the Social Democrats for the taking.

FrancieBrady

L1011 wrote: »

Awarding a Super Junior, or even a Junior at all, to a Senator is interesting as it has never been done before. I believe this gives Hackett the right to address the Dáil the same way the Ministers who lost the seats did.

You would have to wonder if it is oversight (hardly) or deliberate snub.

L1011

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You would have to wonder if it is oversight (hardly) or deliberate snub.

Completely and utterly deliberate. Gets a Ryan loyalist in the room.

devnull

I had to laugh at some of the opinions on RTE earlier, where one FF person said that Martin is someone who likes to think things through carefully and not rush into a decision straight away and have a long and hard think as that is a good thing,, when the whole narrative around him has been that he is a ditherer which she pretty much confirmed.

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

I was watching the speeches and was finding them boring until I realized that all of the other party members addressing them are saying the same thing. They are all left wing with some more than ever.

It's a right wing government with left wing opposition
We all know the greens are right wing from their time in government

New day for Irish politics . Right v left.

Makes me laugh when people call FF and FG right wing, they're nowhere near full right wing parties, they're centre right, not fully fledged right wing. The only true right wing party in Ireland in recent years is Renua.

Proper right wing parties like National Rally in France, Alternative for Deutchland in Germany, Law and Justice in Poland, Legia Nord in Italy and Fidesz in Hungary. They are in another league from FF and FG.

I often hear people compare Fine Gael to the Conservatives in the UK and say they are in the same place when they absolutely are not. Fine Gael are far more progressive and closer to the centre than the Tory party.

Any ministers west of the Shannon ?

L1011

devnull wrote: »

I had to laugh at some of the opinions on RTE earlier, where one FF person said that Martin is someone who likes to think things through carefully and not rush into a decision straight away and have a long and hard think as that is a good thing,, when the whole narrative around him has been that he is a ditherer which she pretty much confirmed.



Makes me laugh when people call FF and FG right wing, they're nowhere near full right wing parties, they're centre right, not fully fledged right wing. The only true right wing party in Ireland in recent years is Renua.

Proper right wing parties like National Rally in France, Alternative for Deutchland in Germany, Law and Justice in Poland, Legia Nord in Italy and Fidesz in Hungary. They are in another league from FF and FG.

I often hear people compare Fine Gael to the Conservatives in the UK and say they are in the same place when they absolutely are not. Fine Gael are far more progressive and closer to the centre than the Tory party.

They're right wing on the domestic scale. Further right parties get 2% max, so don't exist.

The Democrats in the US are on the left there; but are to the right of FG a lot of the time.

ExMachina1000

devnull wrote: »

I had to laugh at some of the opinions on RTE earlier, where one FF person said that Martin is someone who likes to think things through carefully and not rush into a decision straight away and have a long and hard think as that is a good thing,, when the whole narrative around him has been that he is a ditherer which she pretty much confirmed.



Makes me laugh when people call FF and FG right wing, they're nowhere near full right wing parties, they're centre right, not fully fledged right wing. The only true right wing party in Ireland in recent years is Renua.

Proper right wing parties like National Rally in France, Alternative for Deutchland in Germany, Law and Justice in Poland, Legia Nord in Italy and Fidesz in Hungary. They are in another league from FF and FG.

I often hear people compare Fine Gael to the Conservatives in the UK and say they are in the same place when they absolutely are not. Fine Gael are far more progressive and closer to the centre than the Tory party.

I didn't say they weren't centre right. That's taken as a given. They are on the right of the spectrum. Slightly but still right.
The opposition parties are all slightly to the left with some more than others.

Theres more in the world than just extremes

hotmail.com

Lots of failed TDs on the senator list tonight. Some campaigned to abolish the Seanad.

Harry Palmr

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Any ministers west of the Shannon ?

Draw a line from Kerry to Cavan and there is no Ministers representing this region. Its basically half the country. This is not going to go down well.

devnull

hotmail.com wrote: »

Lots of failed TDs on the senator list tonight. Some campaigned to abolish the Seanad.

I guess it was a strategic decision to put Dooley there, could come in useful if they need an extra vote over and beyond their numbers present for some reason.