Saturday the 18th

Niallers87

Defi Du Seuil v Un De Sceaux looks the race of the day. Elsewhere Pentland hills and Minella Indo also running, some nice other races too..

Slattsy

Joey's horse been absolutely smashed, must be a good thing. PH seems soft to me.

UDS on heavy ground always worth a bet, I may to the double.

Gordon's in the bumper should be too good, form is strong.

HarshOstrich

Slattsy wrote: »

Joey's horse been absolutely smashed, must be a good thing. PH seems soft to me.

UDS on heavy ground always worth a bet, I may to the double.

Gordon's in the bumper should be too good, form is strong.

I like UDS and darasso myself but also think edwardstone will take alot of stopping.
He pulled the whole way through his last race and still got the better of a decent sort in a good battle.
Harry senior was the horse, before that he beat fiddleron the roof.
Fav in his race today has 5 pound penalty and he is no fiddleronthe roof either way.
Tasty treble.

RivetingRoger

Defi will win the CC and on any other ground wins today, but....on heavy, you have to have the old legend himself

Plasandrunt

DDS/Yala Enki double and a single on the Elliot horse Tronador in the first at Navan.

Jolly up!

Kauto

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Defi will win the CC and on any other ground wins today, but....on heavy, you have to have the old legend himself

UDS best runs imo have come on ground better than heavy. His best run last year was in Punchestown on decent ground. As some horses get older their preference for ground changes. Happened to a horse I had. Would be all over Defi today.

IAMAMORON

I thought the comments made in the racing post about Cornerstone Lad are very unfair.

"Rather fortunate to win the Fighting Fifth at Newcastle (2m, heavy) seven weeks ago, as he was given a great ride from the front and closest challenger Buveur D'Air was nowhere near his brilliant best (finished lame); however, he's progressive and may again be able to steal a march."

I tell you if he had finished 2nd and Buveur D'air had gotten up the same horse would be 2/9 to take this. I think the 6/1 available is a fair price.

I have yankee'd theses selections, accums etc. I try to keep the powder dry as much as possible this time of year, but I am such a clown degenerate mug it can be a struggle.

Ascot
1.50 Culture De Sivola ( also backed a single )
Haydock
2.40 Geronimo
Navan
1.55 Hareth
Taunton
2.50 Rock Da Kasbah

IAMAMORON

I also forget to mention that if you can take the angle that the Moores' are quite capable of laying off Goshen for a race or two before the festivals you could do worse than have a tenner on Manucci at around 11/1, win only. He is by Nataniel whose kids love the mud and won his last race by 4 1/2 and 24 lengths. Amanda Perrett is no fool, she knows how to place her horses. First race at Ascot.

Earendil

IAMAMORON wrote: »

I thought the comments made in the racing post about Cornerstone Lad are very unfair.

"Rather fortunate to win the Fighting Fifth at Newcastle (2m, heavy) seven weeks ago, as he was given a great ride from the front and closest challenger Buveur D'Air was nowhere near his brilliant best (finished lame); however, he's progressive and may again be able to steal a march."

I tell you if he had finished 2nd and Buveur D'air had gotten up the same horse would be 2/9 to take this. I think the 6/1 available is a fair price.

I have yankee'd theses selections, accums etc. I try to keep the powder dry as much as possible this time of year, but I am such a clown degenerate mug it can be a struggle.

Ascot
1.50 Culture De Sivola ( also backed a single )
Haydock
2.40 Geronimo
Navan
1.55 Hareth
Taunton
2.50 Rock Da Kasbah

Yup!

spuddiesal

Kauto wrote: »

UDS best runs imo have come on ground better than heavy. His best run last year was in Punchestown on decent ground. As some horses get older their preference for ground changes. Happened to a horse I had. Would be all over Defi today.

I think 2m on soft/heavy is ideal for. But needs decent ground for the Ryanair trip

Slattsy

Papagana should be fav here. Everything in favour and 9/4 seems extremely generous. I had this down as a max 6/4 poke.

Slattsy

Slattsy wrote: »

Papagana should be fav here. Everything in favour and 9/4 seems extremely generous. I had this down as a max 6/4 poke.

Never travelled. Wants about 5 miles.

Dr. Bre

That looked a dead heat. Pentland didn’t get home

IAMAMORON

Ballyandy generally into 20's for the CH now, I doubt he was fully fit either.

Why has Saldier not been running, is he injured?

I don't think Triumph hurdle winners tend to train on, So I am not surprised with Pentland Hills. If I remember correctly he spat the dummy at Cheltenham as well LTO?

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/champion-hurdle/winner

HarshOstrich

Townend will wish he went a lot quicker

RivetingRoger

Defi

WOW!!!

Saying it all year lads, best horse in training

MAGIC

The Jman

Great jumping from uds but defi was different class!

votecounts

defi looked good there

Slattsy

Unbelievable performance. Mighty impressive.

RivetingRoger

can all the defi doubters please now exit stage left

Kauto

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Townend will wish he went a lot quicker

Couldn't go any quicker. Even if he had he would have been beaten further.

Margate

Beating a 12 year old uds by 2 lengths and you actually have clowns on here proclaiming him the second coming haha

HarshOstrich

Kauto wrote: »

Couldn't go any quicker. Even if he had he would have been beaten further.

Are you serious, capeland was nearly upsides the first mile.
Hes an old horse who doesn't have a kick.
I actually think they are just protecting the horse which is fair enough after all he achieved.
He defi wouldn't be beaten any easier had he gone flat out from the start.

IAMAMORON

Margate wrote: »

Beating a 12 year old uds by 2 lengths and you actually have clowns on here proclaiming him the second coming haha

What do you reckon will beat him?

RivetingRoger

Margate wrote: »

Beating a 12 year old uds by 2 lengths and you actually have clowns on here proclaiming him the second coming haha

Hi Sting!

HarshOstrich

IAMAMORON wrote: »

What do you reckon will beat him?

Chacun has his measure

IAMAMORON

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Chacun has his measure

Is that the horse that got stuffed by A Plus Tard at Christmas?

HarshOstrich

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Is that the horse that got stuffed by A Plus Tard at Christmas?

Yep super warm up race, wasn't at his peak as you can see when he travelled the best that day and tired late on.

BumperD

He was eased down to the line very impressive

HarshOstrich

BumperD wrote: »

He was eased down to the line very impressive

Turned into Usain bolt v mo farah up the straight.
Looked impressive because defi accelerated at the exact moment UDS made that mistake and slowed down.

lemush

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Ballyandy generally into 20's for the CH now, I doubt he was fully fit either.

Why has Saldier not been running, is he injured?

I don't think Triumph hurdle winners tend to train on, So I am not surprised with Pentland Hills. If I remember correctly he spat the dummy at Cheltenham as well LTO?

https://www.oddschecker.com/cheltenham-festival/champion-hurdle/winner

Sadlier going straight there. Didn’t see much wrong with P Hills today, will make a crack two miler once he learns to settle. He didn’t spit any dummy out at Cheltenham was just extremely keen under a jockey who cannot settle horses and got tired after the last.

RivetingRoger

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Chacun has his measure

Complete hype horse
Defi will ate him

Kauto

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Complete hype horse
Defi will ate him

Wouldn't have Defi at all over 2M in March unless it came up soft.

RivetingRoger

Kauto wrote: »

Wouldn't have Defi at all over 2M in March unless it came up soft.

Some people just refuse to give this horse his dues!
Its gas! Beats all before him as a juv hurdler beats all before him as a novice mid range chaser
beats all before him as a 2m chaser.....
Wins on all ground types

What do ye want

HarshOstrich

RivetingRoger wrote: »

Some people just refuse to give this horse his dues!
Its gas! Beats all before him as a juv hurdler beats all before him as a novice mid range chaser
beats all before him as a 2m chaser.....
Wins on all ground types

What do ye want

Didnt beat chacun

IAMAMORON

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Yep super warm up race, wasn't at his peak as you can see when he travelled the best that day and tired late on.

Looks a very soft looking horse. You can make the same argument for A Plus Tard surely?

I also don't think a horse which has run 4 times should be as highly regarded. He looked good at Punchestown but the season was over then, a lot of horses were just turning up for a bit of feed money. I reckon a pile of hype, certainly not a 4/1 chance, the bookies are phucking chancing their arms there, especially considering Defi de seuil has now won 7 grade 1's and is available at 5/2. Madness if you ask me.

If you don't fancy Defi de Sueil then you have to beat Altior and or maybe even Douvan ( who I wouldn't fancy either ).

I think the price of 4/1 is a joke and I think anyone thinking Chacun Por Soi is the new coming needs to be rational about what he has achieved. For the record I don't think he beat all that much at Punchestown either, albeit I would say you could argue Defi De Seuil had a hard season for his 4/1/2 lengths. I think the Duc needs a bog and I am not bothered about any other in the race. As I said they were jogging around for feed money.

Chacun should be about 12 or 16 to one on what he has shown so far.

RivetingRoger

HarshOstrich wrote: »

Didnt beat chacun

In an end of season gallop v a horse fresh as a daisy FFS lol

HarshOstrich

IAMAMORON wrote: »

Looks a very soft looking horse. You can make the same argument for A Plus Tard surely?

I also don't think a horse which has run 4 times should be as highly regarded. He looked good at Punchestown but the season was over then, a lot of horses were just turning up for a bit of feed money. I reckon a pile of hype, certainly not a 4/1 chance, the bookies are phucking chancing their arms there, especially considering Defi de seuil has now won 7 grade 1's and is available at 5/2. Madness if you ask me.

If you don't fancy Defi de Sueil then you have to beat Altior and or maybe even Douvan ( who I wouldn't fancy either ).

I think the price of 4/1 is a joke and I think anyone thinking Chacun Por Soi is the new coming needs to be rational about what he has achieved. For the record I don't think he beat all that much at Punchestown either, albeit I would say you could argue Defi De Seuil had a hard season for his 4/1/2 lengths. I think the Duc needs a bog and I am not bothered about any other in the race. As I said they were jogging around for feed money.

Chacun should be about 12 or 16 to one on what he has shown so far.

A plus tard had its first run before that race.
At the moment im chacun,defi,altior for champ chase, if ground is soft i would actually favour defi.

stretchaq

I don’t think chacon is even the best 2 miler in Willie really like cilios emery

lemush

Defi the most likely winner in an open Champion Chase but he’s quite beatable. He hasn’t beaten one top two miler over fences. And sorry an 11 and 12yo UDS doesn’t count.

The one specialist two miler he came across beat him senseless at Ptown. To say he was def over the top that day is lazy analysis, I’d be more inclined to believe it if he had gone to Aintree after Chelt but he didn’t.

BoldReason

I'd be worried enough about Chacun handling Cheltenham myself. Think he will chuck it in when he sees the hill. I'd have him double the price he currently is.

posturingpat

Did I see someone say Townend can't settle a horse?
I'm hoping it's a wind up.

Francie Barrett

Un De Sceaux is a lovely horse, but at 12 years of age with a lot of races under its belt, it was always going to struggle in a sprint finish.

With that said, I wouldn't be too impressed with the winner.

Marracjuda is rated 143 and finished just 7 lengths off Defi and has the following formline.

Didn't jump with fluency, held up in last, going easily 3 out, pushed along and went third after 2 out, ridden and no impression when not fluent last (vet said gelding bled from the nose)

Clique

posturingpat wrote: »

Did I see someone say Townend can't settle a horse?
I'm hoping it's a wind up.

Nobody said that about Townend, it was about Nico on Pentland Hills

posturingpat

Clique wrote: »

Nobody said that about Townend, it was about Nico on Pentland Hills

That makes a lot more sense. Apologies, my phone kept freezing everytime I tried to go back and check.

The Mig

At least we have a nice champion chase to look forward too instead of a procession

Scott Tenorman

Altior dominates this division for years, barely gets any credit as he is beating the same horses over again.

Defi wins a couple of races in the same division and is suddenly the best horse in training?

Does not compute

Morgans

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

Altior dominates this division for years, barely gets any credit as he is beating the same horses over again.

Defi wins a couple of races in the same division and is suddenly the best horse in training?

Does not compute

Altior struggles to beat Politilogue and Sceau Royale by a 1l and 11/2l in the champion chase having been outpaced. It is seen as one of the greatest racehorses of all time and one of the great performances. Defi de Seuil beats same horses by 10l in the Tingle Creek and you get people saying he hasnt beaten a 2 miler yet. Un de Sceuax despite being 11, and now 12, has had his optimum conditions in the last two races. He isnt as good as he was, but yesterday he was treated with disdain. In fact, Altior beating UDS in his last Tingle Creek to me was his best performance.

Give me Defi, all day, every day, to beat altior at all distances.

posturingpat

Morgans wrote: »

Altior struggles to beat Politilogue and Sceau Royale by a 1l and 11/2l in the champion chase having been outpaced. It is seen as one of the greatest racehorses of all time and one of the great performances. Defi de Seuil beats same horses by 10l in the Tingle Creek and you get people saying he hasnt beaten a 2 miler yet. Un de Sceuax despite being 11, and now 12, has had his optimum conditions in the last two races. He isnt as good as he was, but yesterday he was treated with disdain. In fact, Altior beating UDS in his last Tingle Creek to me was his best performance.

Give me Defi, all day, every day, to beat altior at all distances.

Who in the name of Jesus said that.

HarshOstrich

Morgans wrote: »

Altior struggles to beat Politilogue and Sceau Royale by a 1l and 11/2l in the champion chase having been outpaced. It is seen as one of the greatest racehorses of all time and one of the great performances. Defi de Seuil beats same horses by 10l in the Tingle Creek and you get people saying he hasnt beaten a 2 miler yet. Un de Sceuax despite being 11, and now 12, has had his optimum conditions in the last two races. He isnt as good as he was, but yesterday he was treated with disdain. In fact, Altior beating UDS in his last Tingle Creek to me was his best performance.

Give me Defi, all day, every day, to beat altior at all distances.

He wasn't treated with distain, to yourself and the other people who fail to see what happened,UDS made a mistake and slowed down as defi quickened and that was the race over, there was very little he could do in the end.
All the defi supporters are pretending UDS ran his best race yesterday.
The mistake was the moment of the race,if he winged it beleive me there would of been a battle.

RivetingRoger

Scott Tenorman wrote: »

Altior dominates this division for years, barely gets any credit as he is beating the same horses over again.

Defi wins a couple of races in the same division and is suddenly the best horse in training?

Does not compute

Barely gets any credit....
What ****e is that ya spouting