throwing cigarette butts out the car window

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

You also don't smoke Andrew. Your moral compass is only tested in familiar territory, but it's obviously untested in situations and circumstances that you have no experience in.

Would you walk in the pissing rain to find a bin for a cigarette butt? You don't know. You don't know whether in that moment you'd sacrifice your stance on littering for the convenience of flicking away your smoke end.

You'll probably say that you'd use your portable ashtray, but you wouldn't because you wouldn't have one unless you were previously in a position where you needed one, where you had to illegally discard a cigarette first, at which point your morals have flown out the window like, ironically, your man's cigarette butt and it's easier to just keep doing it. You wouldn't have one before the fact, much like how a dog owner doesn't go out and buy a muzzle before knowing their madra is capable of biting someone.

Morals are morals. Standards are standards


Ethics are what you do when no-one is watching.


Please stop littering.

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Morals are morals. Standards are standards


Ethics are what you do when no-one is watching.


Please stop littering.

I don't agree. I think context is very important when judging somebody's morals, standards or ethics.

I also think you're setting a dangerous precedent here because if morals were simply morals, and standards were simply standards irrespective of context, wouldn't you have to have equal levels of contempt for a man who drops a bit of chewing gum on the path as another man who dumps a 50-inch plasma screen on the same path?

If context isn't relevant then both examples are identical to one another, just because they fall under 'littering', even though obviously they're wildly different and one is far worse than the other.

Hammer89

TuringBot47 wrote: »

While your moral compass has been tested... It needs recalibrating.

Says the man who questioned the job my parents did at raising me just because he disagreed with something I wrote. What a horrible and stupid angle.

cj maxx

Just an update on how having an ashtray ( coffee cup) in my car is going. Fcucking car stinks of fags. Rotten ! Next stop is the pharmacy for Nicorette.

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

I don't agree. I think context is very important when judging somebody's morals, standards or ethics.

I also think you're setting a dangerous precedent here because if morals were simply morals, and standards were simply standards irrespective of context, wouldn't you have to have equal levels of contempt for a man who drops a bit of chewing gum on the path as another man who dumps a 50-inch plasma screen on the same path?

If context isn't relevant then both examples are identical to one another, just because they fall under 'littering', even though obviously they're wildly different and one is far worse than the other.

Except it's not 'a bit of chewing gum'. It is your repeated and ongoing practice of continuing to drop cigarette butts on the ground litter, particularly now that you know they contain plastic that takes years to biodegrade.

That's the problem. If you had a scrap of decency, you would stop digging this hole for yourself and stop littering.

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Except it's not 'a bit of chewing gum'. It is your repeated and ongoing practice of continuing to drop cigarette butts on the ground litter, particularly now that you know they contain plastic that takes years to biodegrade.

That's the problem. If you had a scrap of decency, you would stop digging this hole for yourself and stop littering.

I haven't littered a single cigarette butt since discovering they contain plastic. It's nothing to do with the plastic; it's because I do it occasionally - as I said a million times - and only when it's convenient, when I don't have to walk to find a bin.

Take my word for it, you wouldn't either. I don't want to keep going over this but you have to understand the very simple principle that you don't smoke and therefore you don't know what you would do with a cigarette butt if you had nowhere to put it. You can only speak hypothetically which isn't very concrete.

Omackeral

cjmc wrote: »

Just an update on how having an ashtray ( coffee cup) in my car is going. Fcucking car stinks of fags. Rotten !

Just throw them out the window?

Stateofyou

Pocket ashtrays:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=pocket+ashtrays+for+cigarettes&crid=2AZ9XHYGFSLOO&sprefix=pocket+ashtray%2Caps%2C161&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_2_14

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

I haven't littered a single cigarette butt since discovering they contain plastic. It's nothing to do with the plastic; it's because I do it occasionally - as I said a million times - and only when it's convenient, when I don't have to walk to find a bin.

Take my word for it, you wouldn't either. I don't want to keep going over this but you have to understand the very simple principle that you don't smoke and therefore you don't know what you would do with a cigarette butt if you had nowhere to put it. You can only speak hypothetically which isn't very concrete.

I'd find a bin for it. That's not hypothetical. That's based on a lifetime of experience of using bins - tissues, sweet wrappers, travel tickets, food wrappers, whatever. I find a bin. It's what most decent people do.

Good to hear that you've stopped littering. Please keep it up. Littering is anti-social behaviour. Convenience is no excuse.

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I'd find a bin for it. That's not hypothetical. That's based on a lifetime of experience of using bins - tissues, sweet wrappers, travel tickets, food wrappers, whatever. I find a bin. It's what most decent people do.

If travel tickets started to smell like sh*t after you're finished with them, like cigarette butts do, then you probably wouldn't carry one around in your pocket or your wallet until you find a bin in my opinion. I think you'd be tempted to discard it by whatever means necessary if a bin wasn't available.

Stateofyou

Pocket ashtrays are a thing. Seriously. I promise.

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

If travel tickets started to smell like sh*t after you're finished with them, like cigarette butts do, then you probably wouldn't carry one around in your pocket or your wallet until you find a bin in my opinion. I think you'd be tempted to discard it by whatever means necessary if a bin wasn't available.

If I knew I was going to be carrying something smelly, I'd be prepared for that, like when I walk the neighbour's dog. I carry a poop bag with me. If I was going to be carrying a butt with me, I'd carry a portable ashtray. Why don't you carry a portable ashtray?

ozmo

punisher5112 wrote: »

.. the amount that would flick back hit my bike, bike gear on me or worst case go inside helmet or down neck.

Happened.

This happened to me too - hit me inside my motorbike helmet - very dangerous situation.

I also know someone who did it once - she was complaining to me how a car driver driving behind her reported her reg number and she got a littering fine in the post. delighted I was

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If I knew I was going to be carrying something smelly, I'd be prepared for that, like when I walk the neighbour's dog. I carry a poop bag with me. If I was going to be carrying a butt with me, I'd carry a portable ashtray. Why don't you carry a portable ashtray?

You carry a poo bag because the dog is more than likely going to take a sh*t. Am I more than likely going to litter cigarettes every single day? Absolutely not. I don't do this and I'm not bringing an ashtray in my pocket everywhere I go on the off-chance I might smoke somewhere where there isn't a bin. It's totally impractical.

The other reason is I couldn't care less. If smokers voluntarily damage their own health for the sake of nicotine then why do you think they'd be any more considerate toward the environment or maritime life like plankton? Again, you're not a smoker so you can't relate to the apathy.

The bottom line is that you wouldn't be able to know for definite whether you'd be carrying something smelly, and let's face it, carrying a poo bag is nowhere near as inconvenient as carrying an ashtray in public, or something cumbersome hanging off your keys that you'd only need to use about four times a week.

ozmo

Just some links...

To report littering or illegal dumping, contact the local authority or call the 24-hour National Environmental Complaints Line on 1850 365 121.

link www.citizensinformation.ie

"Litter means any type of rubbish left lying in an open or public place. It includes everything from cigarette ends to dog fouling and unwanted furniture. The Litter Pollution Act 1997 (as amended in 2017), allows local authorities to impose penalties on people who litter. The Gardaí have the power to issue on-the-spot fines for litter offences."

Also Irish Times Article - Cigarettes account for half of all litter in Ireland

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

You carry a poo bag because the dog is more than likely going to take a sh*t. Am I more than likely going to litter cigarettes every single day? Absolutely not. I don't do this and I'm not bringing an ashtray in my pocket everywhere I go on the off-chance I might smoke somewhere where there isn't a bin. It's totally impractical.

Isn't it amazing how you manage to carry your fags and your lighter, but you can't manage to carry a portable ashtray?

The bottom line is, indeed, that you don't care about polluting the world with plastic, once there is a minimal convenience for yourself. It is anti-social behaviour.

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

The bottom line is, indeed, that you don't care about polluting the world with plastic, once there is a minimal convenience for yourself. It is anti-social behaviour.

You're right I don't care about polluting the world with plastic but, considering you've literally just admitted to using dog poo bags, I'd suggest you don't either Andrew. Biodegradable or not, they're not all that eco-friendly in comparison to a newspaper or something. Are you going to use a newspaper from now or will you continue using plastic because of its convenience?

Maybe we're not that different. You might not litter but for someone who has spent the last five days saying how decent he is and how indecent I am, you have a lot of explaining to do nonetheless.

Save it though because I don't care. This is my last post on the subject. I'll leave you with a snippet of my first post on the subject and you boys can decide whether I was right or wrong this entire time.

"They might feign concern about the environment or something to validate the grievance but, as I said, it's feigned and without merit."

Stateofyou

If you do your homework you can easily buy fully compostable dog bags. When disposed of properly, they aren't littering. Or you can flush it and reuse bag.

When one admits to littering toxic garbage and not even caring, there is no leg to stand on to lecture anyone else. Attempting to drag someone down to your level doesn't make you any better or solve anything. Which is the real point.

You could:
1. Stop smoking
2. Roll your own cigarettes
3. Buy and use a portable ash tray

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

You're right I don't care about polluting the world with plastic but, considering you've literally just admitted to using dog poo bags, I'd suggest you don't either Andrew. Biodegradable or not, they're not all that eco-friendly in comparison to a newspaper or something. Are you going to use a newspaper from now or will you continue using plastic because of its convenience?

Maybe we're not that different. You might not litter but for someone who has spent the last five days saying how decent he is and how indecent I am, you have a lot of explaining to do nonetheless.

Save it though because I don't care. This is my last post on the subject. I'll leave you with a snippet of my first post on the subject and you boys can decide whether I was right or wrong this entire time.

They're biodegradable bags. So they're gone in 40-60 days when disposed properly, in a designated bin.


Here's a mad idea - you could just not smoke when you don't have a bin handy. Just hold off until you're near a bin. Would that be too inconvenient for you too?

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

They're biodegradable bags. So they're gone in 40-60 days when disposed properly, in a designated bin.

Link

Unfortunately, many poop bags that claim to be earth-friendly or biodegradable don’t actually break down within a year, and some never degrade at all.

Maybe Irish or British brands are more trustworthy in that respect. Who knows. Who cares. Use newspaper. At least you know with one million percent certainty that it'll break down.

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

Link



Maybe Irish or British brands are more trustworthy in that respect. Who knows. Who cares. Use newspaper. At least you know with one million percent certainty that it'll break down.

Did you actually read the article you linked to? It confirms that they do biodegrade when disposed of properly.


Maybe we should do some tests? I'll just drop a few bags on your doorstep for testing, because it's not convenient for me to put them anywhere else, so I'm sure you'll understand that my convenience is the most important thing.

Hammer89

I did yes. Go ahead and do your tests. Do mine after about the chewing gum.

Omackeral

Hammer89 wrote: »

Save it though because I don't care. This is my last post on the subject. I'll leave you with a snippet of my first post on the subject and you boys can decide whether I was right or wrong this entire time.

Hammer89 wrote: »

I did yes. Go ahead and do your tests. Do mine after about the chewing gum.

So a liar, a filthy litter bug and a hypocrite.

Hammer89

With 25,000 posts I find it hard to believe that you've never once declared something similar only to go back on it Omackeral.

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

I did yes. Go ahead and do your tests. Do mine after about the chewing gum.

There is nothing to be tested. Don't try to drag the rest of the world down to your low standard.

Hammer89

Great. Can we decide which one of us gets the last word now please? This discussion ended when you started talking about dog sh*t. I want it, the last word. I can't lie, I do. And you've made it perfectly clear over the course of about nine pages that you're a bigger man than me because you don't litter, so be the bigger man and let me have the last word. Don't post another nothing, inane comment in response to this. Remember, you're the decent one and I'm the one destined for hell. Cheers.

Potential-Monke

I'm a smoker (unfortunately). And yes, I have disposed of my cigarette butts by throwing them on the ground or out the window of the car. Why? Convenience, and a care-less attitude. It was the done thing, everyone I know who smokes throws away the butts, most like myself would use a bin if it's nearby, which is grand when walking through a city as there are bins galore, but there's not always one handy. I could get a pocket ashtray, but like my phone, wallet, keys, glasses, etc, I'll eventually forget it (and probably more so, as it wouldn't be used constantly). And when driving, I would always ensure there's no one behind me if I was to throw one out. I do smoke rollies, but I also use filters. Yes, I'm wrong. And I'll try to change but I'm not promising anything, it's hard to break a habit and I'm not always consciously smoking (habit, boredom, sometimes forget I had a smoke at all).

This thread has made me more aware though, especially while driving, and I'll do my utmost to stop it. I actually don't think I've ever been in a smokers car and see the ashtray being used. Even back in the day, they just weren't used because of the smell. Not excusing it, just facts. You still see it, pubs, clubs, restaurants, people with ashtrays on the table will still throw it on the ground. And you have a large section of society who are known to smoke and just don't care, that'll never change either (scumbags, I'm talking about actual proper scumbags, not the cigarette butt disposing "scumbags").

I wish I could just give them up altogether though, but until cannabis is legalised, I'm stuck smoking. Pretty sure if it was legalised, I'd give up smoking entirely as there are other options for cannabis consumption then. So yeah, I blame the government for my smoking habits and the subsequent littering that comes with it! :pac:

2lazytogetup

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I'm a smoker (unfortunately). And yes, I have disposed of my cigarette butts by throwing them on the ground or out the window of the car. Why? Convenience, and a care-less attitude. It was the done thing, everyone I know who smokes throws away the butts, most like myself would use a bin if it's nearby, which is grand when walking through a city as there are bins galore, but there's not always one handy. I could get a pocket ashtray, but like my phone, wallet, keys, glasses, etc, I'll eventually forget it (and probably more so, as it wouldn't be used constantly). And when driving, I would always ensure there's no one behind me if I was to throw one out. I do smoke rollies, but I also use filters. Yes, I'm wrong. And I'll try to change but I'm not promising anything, it's hard to break a habit and I'm not always consciously smoking (habit, boredom, sometimes forget I had a smoke at all).

This thread has made me more aware though, especially while driving, and I'll do my utmost to stop it. I actually don't think I've ever been in a smokers car and see the ashtray being used. Even back in the day, they just weren't used because of the smell. Not excusing it, just facts. You still see it, pubs, clubs, restaurants, people with ashtrays on the table will still throw it on the ground. And you have a large section of society who are known to smoke and just don't care, that'll never change either (scumbags, I'm talking about actual proper scumbags, not the cigarette butt disposing "scumbags").

I wish I could just give them up altogether though, but until cannabis is legalised, I'm stuck smoking. Pretty sure if it was legalised, I'd give up smoking entirely as there are other options for cannabis consumption then. So yeah, I blame the government for my smoking habits and the subsequent littering that comes with it! :pac:

Fair play for becoming aware and trying to stop it.

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

Great. Can we decide which one of us gets the last word now please? This discussion ended when you started talking about dog sh*t. I want it, the last word. I can't lie, I do. And you've made it perfectly clear over the course of about nine pages that you're a bigger man than me because you don't litter, so be the bigger man and let me have the last word. Don't post another nothing, inane comment in response to this. Remember, you're the decent one and I'm the one destined for hell. Cheers.

Fair enough so.


And please stop littering for your 'convenience'.

Hammer89

Potential-Monke wrote: »

I'm a smoker (unfortunately). And yes, I have disposed of my cigarette butts by throwing them on the ground or out the window of the car. Why? Convenience, and a care-less attitude. It was the done thing, everyone I know who smokes throws away the butts, most like myself would use a bin if it's nearby, which is grand when walking through a city as there are bins galore, but there's not always one handy. I could get a pocket ashtray, but like my phone, wallet, keys, glasses, etc, I'll eventually forget it (and probably more so, as it wouldn't be used constantly). And when driving, I would always ensure there's no one behind me if I was to throw one out. I do smoke rollies, but I also use filters. Yes, I'm wrong. And I'll try to change but I'm not promising anything, it's hard to break a habit and I'm not always consciously smoking (habit, boredom, sometimes forget I had a smoke at all).

This thread has made me more aware though, especially while driving, and I'll do my utmost to stop it. I actually don't think I've ever been in a smokers car and see the ashtray being used. Even back in the day, they just weren't used because of the smell. Not excusing it, just facts. You still see it, pubs, clubs, restaurants, people with ashtrays on the table will still throw it on the ground. And you have a large section of society who are known to smoke and just don't care, that'll never change either (scumbags, I'm talking about actual proper scumbags, not the cigarette butt disposing "scumbags").

I wish I could just give them up altogether though, but until cannabis is legalised, I'm stuck smoking. Pretty sure if it was legalised, I'd give up smoking entirely as there are other options for cannabis consumption then. So yeah, I blame the government for my smoking habits and the subsequent littering that comes with it! :pac:

As a smoker Potential-Monke, would you agree that it's silly for a non-smoker to categorically say that they would properly dispose of every single cigarette they ever smoke, and they'd never litter their butts?

seagull

My parents both smoked, and they managed to do it without littering their butts. The fact that the car smelt like an ash tray is probably one of the reasons why neither myself or my siblings were ever tempted to smoke.

Hammer89

seagull wrote: »

My parents both smoked, and they managed to do it without littering their butts. The fact that the car smelt like an ash tray is probably one of the reasons why neither myself or my siblings were ever tempted to smoke.

If they both smoked then I can tell you with reasonable certainty that they would've littered their cigarette butts from time to time, when there was no ashtray or bin nearby.

I'm not calling you a liar because you probably think it's true, but it's very unlikely because to say your parents never littered a cigarette butt is a bit like saying they never smoked outdoors when there was no bin around. Where were they putting them?

You've also overlooked the fact that car ashtrays don't hold that many cigarette butts, and if there was two of them using it on a regular basis then it wouldn't take that long to fill up. Maybe your mam and dad emptied the ashtray religiously or maybe one flew out the window every now and again?

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

If they both smoked then I can tell you with reasonable certainty that they would've littered their cigarette butts from time to time, when there was no ashtray or bin nearby.

I'm not calling you a liar because you probably think it's true, but it's very unlikely because to say your parents never littered a cigarette butt is a bit like saying they never smoked outdoors when there was no bin around. Where were they putting them?

You've also overlooked the fact that car ashtrays don't hold that many cigarette butts, and if there was two of them using it on a regular basis then it wouldn't take that long to fill up. Maybe your mam and dad emptied the ashtray religiously or maybe one flew out the window every now and again?

Whatever anyone did or didn't do in the past doesn't justify your continued littering.

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Whatever anyone did or didn't do in the past doesn't justify your continued littering.

Our discussion has run its course.

Omackeral

Hammer89 wrote: »

Our discussion has run its course.

For real this time or ?

I have a very good idea, I think! To stop people throwing cigarette butts on the ground or out of car windows.
How do i go about getting it done? Don't know about patents or anything, would need work before then, where or how should I go about that?

Omackeral

bubblypop wrote: »

I have a very good idea, I think! To stop people throwing cigarette butts on the ground or out of car windows.
How do i go about getting it done? Don't know about patents or anything, would need work before then, where or how should I go about that?

Just PM me the idea and exactly how it works and I'll get back to you.

Stateofyou

Solutions are not acceptable on this post! This here thread is the bottom-less pit where solutions and good intentions go to die. Good luck with that idea though!

Hammer89

Omackeral wrote: »

Just PM me the idea and exactly how it works and I'll get back to you.

Haha the joke is that he won't get back to you and he'll steal the idea for himself!!!!!!

Hammer89

Stateofyou wrote: »

Solutions are not acceptable on this post! This here thread is the bottom-less pit where solutions and good intentions go to die. Good luck with that idea though!

Another sign that the discussion is dead is when people start talking like John Wayne for some reason.

Stateofyou

Hammer89 wrote: »

Haha the joke is that he won't get back to you and he'll steal the idea for himself!!!!!!

No one else got that, good thing you came along to explain it! :rolleyes:

Omackeral

Stateofyou wrote: »

No one else got that, good thing you came along to explain it! :rolleyes:

After rage-quitting like an angsty teen the other day :pac::pac::pac:

Omackeral

Hammer89 wrote: »

There's Pacman again, in another post accusing me of being angry lol.

Mods, can we wrap this up? Omackeral has more Boards.ie posts than braincells. Stateofyou started a sentence with 'This here thread' like he was from Wyoming or somewhere. And Andrew is taking us around in circles, which gives us about four days before he starts talking about dog sh*t again.

It's been fun gentlemen but I am on another level humour wise and in terms of intellect. I'm really going this time. Mods, do your thing.

Just go like you said you were gonna go. You're resorting to insulting people because you're being called out on your behavior and lies. Now you're crying to mods to close a thread. Just exercise some self control and stop posting in it if it's that upsetting to you. And exercise some self control when disposing of toxic cigarettes while you're at it... you don't have to be like a dragged-up scruff bag, it's a choice.

Ted_YNWA

Hammer89 wrote:

It's been fun gentlemen but I am on another level humour wise and in terms of intellect. I'm really going this time. Mods, do your thing.

If you're going, there is no need for Mods to do anything as their posts won't affect you.

We are not here at your beck and call.

perrito caliente

I throw cigarettes on the floor. Recently I've been leaving them lit (not stumping them out) as I like the image of them smouldering away long after I'm gone. I'm very careful with litter apart from that.

AndrewJRenko

Hammer89 wrote: »

It's been fun gentlemen but I am on another level humour wise and in terms of intellect.

You got the bolded bit right anyway - another level of scumbaggery to be littering plastic butts that take 10-15 years to biodegrade 'for your own convenience'.

Hammer89

Omackeral wrote: »

I think you’re a f*cking knack.

Omackeral wrote: »

So a liar, a filthy litter bug and a hypocrite.

Omackeral wrote: »

You're resorting to insulting people because you're being called out on your behavior and lies.

Hammer89

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You got the bolded bit right anyway - another level of scumbaggery to be littering plastic butts that take 10-15 years to biodegrade 'for your own convenience'.

Is that really another level of scumbaggery in a month where we've seen a teenager get murdered and dismembered? This thread is just one bizarre statement after the next from you boys and I can't help but love it.

It's like watching chimps at the zoo. You know there's potential for hilarity but you never know quite what it's going to be, which makes it fascinating. Whether it's Omackeral calling me a f*cing knacker and then crying about being insulted, Stateofyou suggesting people should re-use their dog sh*t bags or Andrew saying that flicking away cigarette butts is 'another level of scumbaggery' it's all very funny.

I'll do a deal with you lads. Don't respond to this, let me have the last word, and I'll genuinely make a greater effort to not flick smoke butts away. If you care about my behaviour to the point of insulting me then it's a fair compromise.

Stateofyou

Do a deal with your own conscious and make a greater effort on your own. Because it's the right thing to do.

And then have a last word with yourself. The lack of maturity and self awareness is unbelievable.

seagull

Hammer89 wrote: »

If they both smoked then I can tell you with reasonable certainty that they would've littered their cigarette butts from time to time, when there was no ashtray or bin nearby.

I'm not calling you a liar because you probably think it's true, but it's very unlikely because to say your parents never littered a cigarette butt is a bit like saying they never smoked outdoors when there was no bin around. Where were they putting them?

You've also overlooked the fact that car ashtrays don't hold that many cigarette butts, and if there was two of them using it on a regular basis then it wouldn't take that long to fill up. Maybe your mam and dad emptied the ashtray religiously or maybe one flew out the window every now and again?

Or maybe you should accept the fact that some people were brought up with manners and respect, and don't consider it their right to litter. Just because you do it does not mean every smoker does it. I've known a good few smokers who go out of their way not to litter their butts.