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GE2020: Kildare North

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    #422
    Orion
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    PR-STV is not about how many times your vote moves. It's about listing your preferred candidates above others. If you favourite candidate was Lawless for example and you gave him #1 your vote didn't travel but your preferred candidate got a seat. That's the important thing.


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    #423
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    https://kfmradio.com/news/11022020-1135/listen-680-children-kildare-region-experiencing-delays-assessment-need

    If anyone is still wondering why people voted for change in huge numbers. High tax and shambolic services.


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    #424
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    smelly sock wrote: »
    https://kfmradio.com/news/11022020-1135/listen-680-children-kildare-region-experiencing-delays-assessment-need

    If anyone is still wondering why people voted for change in huge numbers. High tax and shambolic services.
    I'll refer you to the earlier tweet...

    https://twitter.com/RMcGreevy1301/status/1226849060155465728


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    #425
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Seth Brundle wrote: »
    I'll refer you to the earlier tweet...

    https://twitter.com/RMcGreevy1301/status/1226849060155465728

    I'll refer you to the current state of public services in the country.

    I dont mind paying high tax if it reflected in our services. It is not.


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    #426
    BaronVon
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    I'll refer you to the current state of public services in the country.

    I dont mind paying high tax if it reflected in our services. It is not.

    Then people like you could have voted Social Democrats, and not a shady, pretending to be left wing, populist party.

    SF promised the magic money tree, and voters believed them! Now, let's see if they have the magic beans......


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    #427
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    BaronVon wrote: »
    Then people like you could have voted Social Democrats, and not a shady, pretending to be left wing, populist party.

    SF promised the magic money tree, and voters believed them! Now, let's see if they have the magic beans......

    Rubbish the socdems will never be in a position to change anything too small a party


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    #428
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    Rubbish the socdems will never be in a position to change anything too small a party

    Lets see how SF promise on their fantasy land manifesto... :pac:


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    #429
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Scoundrel wrote: »
    Rubbish the socdems will never be in a position to change anything too small a party

    FFG were big enough to change things. They never did though.


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    #430
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    smelly sock wrote: »
    FFG were big enough to change things. They never did though.

    Let's see if a party with no previous experience and a poor record in the north can fix the issues no government before them could


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    #431
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    smelly sock wrote: »
    FFG were big enough to change things. They never did though.

    Theres a reason for that they didnt want to FG are free market who believe if the market I.e their landlord buddies determine its 1800 to rent a 1 bed then so be it no state correction will be provided and as for FF as bent as a 2 bob note.


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    #432
    ghostdancer
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    smelly sock wrote: »
    FFG were big enough to change things. They never did though.
    not really true, is it. lots of things changed under both of them.

    and as for housing:
    We just had an election about housing. So here's the completed housing stats https://cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/ndc/newdwellingcompletionsq42019/
    Apartments up 59.6% and property completions up over 18% in general.

    The unfinished planned, mid-stream and near done homes will mean that whoever forms the next government will have the advantage of a massive pipeline that they can instantly claim credit for as it drops. In housing terms that the signing bonus of your dreams.

    https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1227243248202047488

    https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1227244747309359111


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    #433
    Rosahane
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    ghostdancer wrote: »
    not really true, is it. lots of things changed under both of them.

    and as for housing:



    https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1227243248202047488

    https://twitter.com/karldeeter/status/1227244747309359111

    I'm reminded of the following from the Mahon tribunal:

    Gogarty had asked Bailey if he would get a receipt for the money. Bailey’s response was succinct - "will we f**k"


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    #434
    marieholmfan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,744 ✭✭✭marieholmfan


    Bernard Durkan for Ceann Comhairle. Let's make it happen!

    North Kildare one of only 4 seats in the country with 2 woman TDs.

    Highest turnout in the country in Kilcock!

    Inspirational constituency!


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    #435
    BaronVon
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    And a pretty good thread in fairness, some very good contributions throughout!


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    #436
    daheff
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    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Bernard Durkan for Ceann Comhairle. Let's make it happen!!

    I'd rather not. Means he's guaranteed a seat next time out. He's a bit on the old side already so would be very old to do 2 full terms.


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    #437
    marieholmfan
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    daheff wrote: »
    I'd rather not. Means he's guaranteed a seat next time out. He's a bit on the old side already so would be very old to do 2 full terms.
    He's an Irish Bercow !


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    #438
    Seth Brundle
    Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 39,746 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    North Kildare one of only 4 seats in the country with 2 woman TDs.
    Did anyone vote for a candidate based on their gender? I certainly didn't!


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    #439
    daheff
    Registered Users Posts: 5,866 ✭✭✭daheff


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    He's an Irish Bercow !

    He is in his hole


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    #440
    ronaneire
    Registered Users Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭ronaneire


    marieholmfan wrote: »
    Bernard Durkan for Ceann Comhairle. Let's make it happen!
    marieholmfan wrote: »
    He's an Irish Bercow !


    The only place he should be is out to graze.



    What has he ever done for North Kildare?



    He should of took retirement and let new fresh thinking into politics.



    Same ole every time!


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    #441
    Hercule
    Registered Users Posts: 981 ✭✭✭Hercule


    If I'm not mistaken, Durkan has been an elected TD for my entire lifetime, as far as I can tell there's no evidence of him existing other than election time - I can't fathom why anyone in my age demo would vote for him.


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    #442
    L1011
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    Durkan was first elected in 1981 and briefly lost his seat (and then got in the Seanad) in between the twin elections 82 so misses out on the Father of the House title cause of that.

    He has taken the last seat more than once. Was a Junior Minister for 3 years, that's about it.


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    #443
    scheister
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    L1011 wrote: »
    Durkan was first elected in 1981 and briefly lost his seat (and then got in the Seanad) in between the twin elections 82 so misses out on the Father of the House title cause of that.

    He has taken the last seat more than once. Was a Junior Minister for 3 years, that's about it.

    I think Durkan and stagg have a similar issue. They have bulit their lives around politics. If you take the politics away they dont know what to do with themselves. That is the only reason I see for Stagg running this time and not someone like Galvin.

    Durkan I cant see not running he will either lose his seat and be carried out of the dail. Which for someone in Politics that long it is kinda a sad way to go. He may step aside next time and allow his son to take over the family business but i dont see it would have expected that this time unless he does not want the son to run against lawlor


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    #444
    L1011
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    Champion has the Frank story now, too late for the elements of his vote that were "family values" to run away. I suspect they had it all along

    There were more than a handful of Renua/Monaghan/Frank only anti abortion voters papers in boxes - not enough to get anyone elected clearly!


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    #445
    ghostdancer
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    can you explain - what Frank story?
    Is there something that hadn't come out before the election?


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    #446
    Dual wheels
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    ghostdancer wrote: »
    can you explain - what Frank story?
    Is there something that hadn't come out before the election?

    Let’s just say frank had been spreading himself around the constituency a bit and not in a parliamentary way...


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    #447
    Redsoxfan
    Registered Users Posts: 5,325 ✭✭✭Redsoxfan


    Damn their lack of online material!


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    #448
    mloc123
    Registered Users Posts: 9,454 ✭✭✭mloc123


    L1011 wrote: »
    Champion has the Frank story now, too late for the elements of his vote that were "family values" to run away. I suspect they had it all along

    There were more than a handful of Renua/Monaghan/Frank only anti abortion voters papers in boxes - not enough to get anyone elected clearly!

    Any chance of a picture of the article?

    Edit: nevermind - Front page


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    #449
    L1011
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    The claim about resigning rather than working with SF is quite hilarious. He'd have sat on his hands then claimed to have negotiated the deal!


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    #450
    Scoundrel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭Scoundrel


    He was always hands on with his constituents alright was Frank


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    #451
    Orion
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    Dual wheels wrote: »
    Let’s just say frank had been spreading himself around the constituency a bit and not in a parliamentary way...

    Only thing I cared about in that story is that it's over a year since he moved out. Which means he's been claiming the wrong expenses for over a year. His currently residence entitles him to 9k. But he was still claiming 23k.


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