Fianna Fail promises 100,000 houses in 5 years

Spanish Eyes

I suppose FTB are looking for new builds with the HTB and I'm not sure... is there a smaller deposit required for FTB in a new home?. That in itself is a distortion.

Why not give incentives to FTB for both new and SH houses?

Forgive me if I am not up to date on the situation, it's a long time since I was a FTB and I bought a SH house. Best decision ever, settled area and so on BER will never be A rated, but building upwards with improvements!

Seth Brundle

10000maniacs wrote: »

Can you imagine the shenanigans and outrage if the Phoenix Park was given over to council house development.
The country would die of heart failure,

Building on parkland was actually suggested in the last property bubble by a developer IIRC.

saabsaab

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Building on parkland was actually suggested in the last property bubble by a developer IIRC.

Maybe not such a bad idea if done on a high density way using little parkland maybe none if using a bit of imagination i.e. waste areas, perimeters, old buildings etc.


Why not buy a used Cruise liner use as apartments for suitable candidated could have its own Gardai, public offices, shops etc. Shows on at weekends and so on?

marieholmfan

CPO low density. Beside Sydney Parade train station huge houses with one person in them.

COO and build huge flats.

10000maniacs

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Building on parkland was actually suggested in the last property bubble by a developer IIRC.

The Phoenix Park is currently in the running to be a European heritage site so good luck to them with that one. Also Clontarf residents would literally lynch them if they tried to do similar with St Anne's Park.

Idbatterim

Yurt! wrote: »

Be real, I'd say you'd love a 4eva home yourself.

Does anyone know is there a browser plugin where one can block mentions of '4eva home' when browsing boards? It's become one of those things on boards where one might have got a minor chuckle the first or second time it was mentioned, but now just elicits an eye-roll.

Why does it illicit a roll eyes? You’ll be trying to justify the three thousand euro a month apartments in Dundrum , being “rented “for a pittance. Probable what ? E30 a week , no management fee. No lpt. They probably get a free cleaner thrown in ! The working fools in apartments near them , can probably barely save at all ...

Idbatterim

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Fianna Fáil under Micheal Martin won’t solve the housing crisis.

Martin wants further govt intervention into the housing market. Rent freezes and rent controls are the stupidest possible way to alleviate a shortage of housing.

The problem is fundamentally a supply problem. Too many people looking for houses. Too few houses available. Therefore prices are high. In order to see a decrease in prices you have to increase the supply to the point where the people selling the houses have to compete with each other in order to do it. Then prices will fall.

The idea that you can increase supply to the necessary levels through social housing is a fantasy. The private sector is essential. You need to be doing everything possible to encourage private investment in housing. Rent controls do precisely the opposite by artificially imposing a cap on the level of profit that can be accrued from the product they’re investing in.

Rent control is designed to do one thing and one thing only: elect politicians.

But if the profits they are making are already ridiculous, why stop building ? And if it’s in the hope of escalating future prices , just put an appropriate levy on idle land zoned and serviced for residential ...

Seth Brundle

10000maniacs wrote: »

The Phoenix Park is currently in the running to be a European heritage site so good luck to them with that one. Also Clontarf residents would literally lynch them if they tried to do similar with St Anne's Park.

Just to be clear, I wasn't advocating the idea (IMO it would be a disgrace to consider it)

road_high

marieholmfan wrote: »

CPO low density. Beside Sydney Parade train station huge houses with one person in them.

COO and build huge flats.

Unfortunately you just can’t do that. This isn’t Ceaucescus’ Romania

Spanish Eyes

Those who own with mortgage will always have to pay for others to enjoy a mortgage free life.

Yup, that is the reality today.

efanton

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Those who own with mortgage will always have to pay for others to enjoy a mortgage free life.

Yup, that is the reality today.

I have every sympathy with those that scrimped and saved for years even just to qualify for a mortgage.

But the simple fact is most working people cant even qualify for a mortgage, and its virtually impossible for most to save for a mortgage deposit while paying exorbitant rents. Even if they have a deposit many are still being turned down for a mortgage.

Yet those complaining about people getting, or having to rely on, and benefiting from social housing or affordable housing schemes will not blame FG or FF for that, the very people that allowed property prices to sky rocket again, and refused to cap rents as many countries such a Germany have done to prevent the very situation this country is now.

You cant butter your bread on both sides without things getting messy with regards housing, but that's exactly what FF and FG have been trying to do

The simple fact is property values are yet again over valued, unless of course you are advocating dramatic and substantial wage increases and that is a very slippery slope that inevitably ends up in uncontrollable inflation. Rents are way beyond reasonable and the only current alternative is a dramatic and urgent increase in the building of social and affordable homes. There's no one else to blame for this but FF and FG governments in the last 20 years. People can poke fingers at SF and other parties and their solutions but these solutions would not even have become a necessity had FF/FG actually controlled the housing market, and kept a lid on property prices and rents.

Yurt2

Idbatterim wrote: »

Why does it illicit a roll eyes? You’ll be trying to justify the three thousand euro a month apartments in Dundrum , being “rented “for a pittance. Probable what ? E30 a week , no management fee. No lpt. They probably get a free cleaner thrown in ! The working fools in apartments near them , can probably barely save at all ...

I never tried to justify that. That's pathetic government policy rather than the fault of any individual. Think of the owner of the Dundrum apartment creaming it, who, all things being equal, is likely a FG voter and is out canvassing for the local FG candidate as we speak.

Phoebas

^^ That's some imagination you have there.

(it's a German real estate fund)

Yurt2

Phoebas wrote: »

^^ That's some imagination you have there.

(it's a German real estate fund)

You don't think they lobby and participate in FG fundraising activities, or their Irish representative proxies?

Come off it. The property boondoggle industry loves FG

Phoebas

Yurt! wrote: »

You don't think they lobby and participate in FG fundraising activities, or their Irish representative proxies?

A few hours ago they were voting and campaigning for FG.
Now they're lobbying and fundraising for FG.

Maybe you should stop imagining things and look up the actual facts.

marieholmfan

road_high wrote: »

Unfortunately you just can’t do that. This isn’t Ceaucescus’ Romania

Referendum and get on with it.
Housing is critical infrastructure.
Also CPO beside Drumcondra station single storey red brick cottages.


Equity - rich and poor suffer alike; and obviously CPO doesn't mean confiscate.

nthclare

We've the most amazing and unique landscape in the world and these goons want to impregnate the topography with drab boring dwellings.

If it was done right and addition of creativity and sustainability we could be living uniquely.

But sadly our engineers, architects and contractors have better ideas.

And im not being hippy dippy here either, but practical.

Let the people in need of a roof over their heads have a say instead of the conglomerates.

Shannon Town in the 70's and 80's worked out ok.

There was amazing amenities such as tennis courts, handball alleys, sandpits, football pitches etc

Im not saying emulate exactly what Shannon did but take a bit of admiration from how Shannon development and Brendan O Regan did back in the day.

But utilise today's needs and have fore sight.

10000maniacs

Junior Jolly Redhead wrote: »

He means that jobs will be provided by way of building the houses — bricklayers, plumbers, etc.

But the country is already at full employment, so it's a massive Keynesian stimulus program for Eastern Europe.

Yeah. That is Celtic tiger era brain storming. It does not work. We proved it. We were the guinea pigs, bought the t-shirt.