People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

Jinglejangle69

McMurphy wrote: »

Yep, it's what FG hid behind for the last nine years.

Well only in the last 2 years did Ireland not run a deficit due to austerity so whoever gets into power faces a totally different scenario than 9 years ago.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

Talk about a low standard post.

Is anything incorrect in the post?

christy c

cutelad wrote: »

Pearse Doherty should be finance minister as he's most competent person in Dail Eireann.

LOL, the clown that wants to have the pension age at 65 despite the approaching time bomb? The same lad that was cheerleading Syriza? He's a spoofer of the highest order.

efanton

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The shinners open door policy towards immigration will be interesting when they are in power with regards houses for everyone.

Surely they can't build all those houses?

Are you suggesting that the open door policy doesnt already exist?

EU legislation means that we have to accept free movement of ALL EU citizens.
If you wanted to stop Polish, Latvian or any other EU citizens from coming to this country then you must be advocating Ireland leaving the EU. Are you truly out of your mind? Ireland would be an economic basket case overnight. We also have international students as well and workers that have the appropriate visa's but this is a small fraction.

With regards the other nationals we have in our country, the vast majority are here as refugees, or claiming asylum. Again there is nothing that we can do about that, except influence EU laws. We can stop them arriving only by leaving the EU or EU law changing.

What is wrong with the EU policy in my opinion is the way that asylum is managed. The 'Dublin Agreement' is a complete farce. Every person seeking asylum in the EU is supposed to seek asylum in the first country they enter according to the Dublin Agreement. Yet somehow, magically even, asylum seekers arrive in Ireland without every going through another EU country.
France, Spain, Italy and Greece, where the vast majority of asylum seekers first enter the EU, simply do not have the resources or the money to deal with the numbers, so turn a blind eye if an asylum seeker just happens to get on a bus, boat or plane, that takes them somewhere else.

It was a great idea, just implemented in a totally stupid way. Had they created a central EU fund that each and every EU country paid proportionally into, and then diverted some of those funds to the countries where these asylum seekers first arrive the problem would be greatly reduced. Once the application had been approved those that were granted asylum could then be distributed to other countries where the remainder of the central fund would be used..

Better still would to set up an asylum processing centres in the countries that we know are genuinely producing refugees. If their asylum application is approved then at the EU's expense transport them free of charge in a fair way to a country in the EU based on a quota system (smaller countries not taking as many refugee as the bigger countries). This would have the additional benefit of government having pre-agreed quota's so that they could have accommodation and services planned in advance. This would also eliminate the human trafficking that's going on, and ensure that we are actually housing and paying for only genuine refugees.

But to suggest that things wold be different in any way at all depending on which party was in government is completely wrong.
It doesn't matter which party is in government because the law in effect is EU law not Irish law.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

The top 25% of earners in this country pay almost 80% of the income taxes.

People should let that sink in for a moment.

75% of the population are paying less than 20% of what it takes to provide for all out state-funded services.

You're right, that shows a staggering level of income inequality.

Thank you for highlighting this

Jinglejangle69

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You're right, that shows a staggering level of income inequality.

Thank you for highlighting this

We have basically the most progressive tax system in the EU where tax is take from the top earners and redistributed to lower income including welfare.

Hence us been seen as a welfare state.

There is no gap or inequality that is spun by the left wing media and parties.

The more you earn the more you're screwed to pay for spongers and it seems its about to get a whole lot worst.

RandomName2

fergus1001 wrote: »

not a shinner but this arguement makes my blood boil, every other main stream party in the state has violent pasts whether it was 35 years ago or 100 years ago

Yeah.

The Blueshirts party should really rename themselves. It's also embarrassing that we still have members like Enda Kenny, who actively participated in the Spanish Civil War, though trying to get any details out of him is like getting blood from a stone. Numerous eyewitnesses place him in the midst of the White Terror, but he claims he was only visiting Iberia as part of a peace envoy.

The fact that the Blueshirts still pay homage to Eoin O'Duffy, calling him a 'freedom figher' makes me question why anybody votes for them. Much worse, they say that the 30s and 40s in general are not judged by the morés of its time, and that violence and authoritarianism was a natural response to the imperialism of the UK and France: particularly among movements that styled themselves as nationalist republicans with a particularly strong bent for self-determination and autarky.

I hope I Godwinned this strong enough. The false equivalence merits it.

James Brown

walshb wrote: »

Indeed. And here’s the thing: From my observations, the demographic that SF seek out and attract, are quite vocal regarding their anti immigration views...

I guess they feel that there can’t be enough magic money to welfare all of us, and them as well..

So their supporters don't like their policies and are very vocal about it....seems legit.

Magic money tree, nice.

FrancieBrady

RandomName2 wrote: »

Yeah.

The Blueshirts party should really rename themselves. It's also embarrassing that we still have members like Enda Kenny, who actively participated in the Spanish Civil War, though trying to get any details out of him is like getting blood from a stone. Numerous eyewitnesses place him in the midst of the White Terror, but he claims he was only visiting Iberia as part of a peace envoy.

The fact that the Blueshirts still pay homage to Eoin O'Duffy, calling him a 'freedom figher' makes me question why anybody votes for them. Much worse, they say that the 30s and 40s in general are not judged by the morés of its time, and that violence and authoritarianism was a natural response to the imperialism of the UK and France: particularly among movements that styled themselves as nationalist republicans with a particularly strong bent for self-determination and autarky.

I hope I Godwinned this strong enough. The false equivalence merits it.

Is that an attempt to separate FG from their past? It's funny in a clutching pathetic sort of way.

ressem

efanton wrote: »

Unfortunately its mostly the Irish electorate to blame, not the parties.
The plain simple truth is the Irish electorate are afraid of change, and even more scared when something radically new is suggested. Rather than try something new and possibly benefiting greatly, they will play it safe elect a party that they know will not deliver on its promises but they know what to expect.

What's radically new?
A 'socialist' irish party that supports and endorses the 'fair election' of the president of Venezuela while he hands control of food and oil industries to the military, during what is resembling a politically created famine?

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0112/1022787-brexit/ wrote:

We believe the Venezuelan election was open and democratic," Ms McDonald said.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-defend-backing-venezuelan-president-despite-40-deaths-in-civil-unrest-37761300.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/10/world/americas/venezuela-maduro-inauguration.html

Where the healthcare system has gone truely to non-existent, and hunger is rampant, child mortality in their first month increasing 100 fold.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/06/on-the-road-venezuela-20-years-after-hugo-chavez-rise

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/17/world/americas/venezuela-cuban-doctors.html

A 65-year-old patient with heart failure entered his clinic — and urgently needed oxygen, he said. The tanks sat in another room at the ready, he recalled.

But he said his Cuban and Venezuelan superiors told him to use the oxygen as a political weapon instead: Not for medical emergencies that day, but to be doled out closer to the election, part of a national strategy to compel patients to vote for the government.

May 20, 2018, was nearing, he said, and the message was clear: Mr. Maduro needed to win, at any cost.

Nah, that's not radical. Parties prioritising displays of ideological brotherhood ahead of humanity, empathy or common sense aren't new.

"possibly benefiting greatly" you claim. Not vague irresponsible handwaving at all.

When a man has nothing to lose, only then is he prepared to lose everything.
that moment is coming.

Not exactly a vote getter, some of us like having access to food and clean water, and are old enough to have seen around the world how quickly an excessively populist government can cut this off.

Hamsterchops

walshb wrote: »

Does anyone truly believe that SF want to get into power?

They are D quintessential naysaying anti this that and anything else party...

They exist to be in opposition...and they truly appeal to a certain demographic!

Like a nasty smell, I wish they'd just go away.......

However, realistically they won't, and we'll have them constantly banging at the door like that scene in 'Aliens' with the Fine Gael (A gun) & Fianna Fail (B gun) robot sentries in the tunnel trying to keep them out.

https://youtu.be/HQDy-5IQvuU

...and for once it's us doing the shooting

maccored

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Like a nasty smell, I wish they'd just go away.......

However, realistically they won't, and we'll have them constantly banging at the door like that scene in 'Aliens' with the Fine Gael (A gun) & Fianna Fail (B gun) robot sentries in the tunnel trying to keep them out.

https://youtu.be/HQDy-5IQvuU

...and for once it's us doing the shooting

a great example of a post that doesnt say anything

Hamsterchops

SF are the enemy in the tunnel man ....

They're banging on the door!

Odhinn

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Like a nasty smell, I wish they'd just go away.......

However, realistically they won't, and we'll have them constantly banging at the door like that scene in 'Aliens' with the Fine Gael (A gun) & Fianna Fail (B gun) robot sentries in the tunnel trying to keep them out.

https://youtu.be/HQDy-5IQvuU

...and for once it's us doing the shooting

Fine Gael won't fire because it believes the private sector should provide the bullets and Fianna Fail can't afford to fire as its bullet production was given out to the boys at the galway races tent.

maccored

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SF are the enemy in the tunnel man ....

They're banging on the door!

let them in. the others have already ransacked the place

Odhinn

Hamsterchops wrote: »

SF are the enemy in the tunnel man ....

They're banging on the door!

Stay frosty

Hamsterchops

maccored wrote: »

let them in. the others have already ransacked the place

Let them in at your (our) peril.

efanton

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

We have basically the most progressive tax system in the EU where tax is take from the top earners and redistributed to lower income including welfare.

Hence us been seen as a welfare state.

There is no gap or inequality that is spun by the left wing media and parties.

The more you earn the more you're screwed to pay for spongers and it seems its about to get a whole lot worst.

so would you prefer a perfectly equitable tax system instead?

The only way that would work is for a single tax rate to apply to the entire income for absolutely everyone no matter what they earn.

In reality that would mean that your take home pay dramatically drops, unless of course you were in the top 5% of income earners.

instead of paying 20% tax on most of your income, you would be paying close to 30% on your entire income.




In Ireland total earnings for 2018 was €71,517 billion
https://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/elca/earningsandlabourcostsannualdata2018/

Total income tax collected in 2018 was €21,200 billion
https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0103/1020184-exchequer-tax-2018/

so its a simple calculation (tax/earnings*100 ) that gives us a percentage of 29.64%

I dont know what you earn, and I would not ask you to publicly state it, but do the above calculation on you own income to see if you were better off, I very much doubt it.



The consequence of that are horrendous. Immediately the minimum pay would have to skyrocket (probably close to €15 at least) in in order for workers on low pay to actually survive, and no doubt the middle income earners seeing this would want a pay rise too.

still want tax equality? I dont think so.

RandomName2

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Is that an attempt to separate FG from their past? It's funny in a clutching pathetic sort of way.

Ah, if it isn't the SF guy himself. I'm glad you are here, you could save me an internet search. Does SF still support the PLO and ETA? Also, can you say what the official reason why SF are against the Special Criminal Court?

myshirt

I like Eoin O Brion on a personal basis, he's a very able man.

I like Mary Lou in a lot of ways, but woman to woman how she looks someone like Maria Cahill in the face I don't know. It shows the single minded perseverance of SF on the one goal. They don't have a 5 year vision. They think in terms of 20 years, 30 years, whereupon Maria Cahill and anyone else will be consigned to a footnote of history as "collateral damage".

For me it's not good enough, and I cannot vote for SF. Plus the whole fact that Slab Murphy and Co will be performing the annual performance reviews.

RandomName2

myshirt wrote: »

For me it's not good enough, and I cannot vote for SF. Plus the whole fact that Slab Murphy and Co will be performing the annual performance reviews.

Slab Murphy is not a criminal!

Tom Murphy is not a criminal. He's a good republican and I read his statement after the Manchester raids and I believe what he says and also and very importantly he is a key supporter of Sinn Féin's peace strategy and has been for a very long time.

I want to deal with what is an effort to portray Tom Murphy as a criminal, as a bandit, as a gang boss, as someone who is exploiting the republican struggle for his own ends, as a multimillionaire. There is no evidence to support any of that.

Gerry Adams, 2006

Odhinn

RandomName2 wrote: »

Ah, if it isn't the SF guy himself. I'm glad you are here, you could save me an internet search. Does SF still support the PLO and ETA? Also, can you say what the official reason why SF are against the Special Criminal Court?

Yep. What's the problem?


Two standards of justice in the state, essentially.

James Brown

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Like a nasty smell, I wish they'd just go away.......

However, realistically they won't, and we'll have them constantly banging at the door like that scene in 'Aliens' with the Fine Gael (A gun) & Fianna Fail (B gun) robot sentries in the tunnel trying to keep them out.

https://youtu.be/HQDy-5IQvuU

...and for once it's us doing the shooting

This is almost surreal.
FF/FG keeping the crises and backhanders safe

is_that_so

Odhinn wrote: »

Yep. What's the problem?


Two standards of justice in the state, essentially.

Now they are not against it so much, it would be up for review so what's that now about standards?

Hamsterchops

myshirt wrote: »

I like Eoin O Brion on a personal basis, he's a very able man.

What's the story with his "Heinrich Himmler" specs?

smurgen

myshirt wrote: »

I like Eoin O Brion on a personal basis, he's a very able man.

I like Mary Lou in a lot of ways, but woman to woman how she looks someone like Maria Cahill in the face I don't know. It shows the single minded perseverance of SF on the one goal. They don't have a 5 year vision. They think in terms of 20 years, 30 years, whereupon Maria Cahill and anyone else will be consigned to a footnote of history as "collateral damage".

For me it's not good enough, and I cannot vote for SF. Plus the whole fact that Slab Murphy and Co will be performing the annual performance reviews.

Let's be fair the likes of Dennis O Brien are alot closer to FG than the likes o slab Murphy to SF.

is_that_so

Hamsterchops wrote: »

What's the story with his "Heinrich Himmler" specs?

Trotsky actually!

RandomName2

Odhinn wrote: »

Yep. What's the problem?


Two standards of justice in the state, essentially.

Only a problem if you have an issue with terrorism, organized crime, blood diplomacy, armalite and ballot box tactics. Sorry, I should have said, a 'non partisan' issue with.

Jinglejangle69

smurgen wrote: »

Let's be fair the likes of Dennis O Brien are alot closer to FG than the likes o slab Murphy to SF.

Some whataboutery there!!!

smurgen

Matt Barrett wrote: »

This is almost surreal.
FF/FG keeping the crises and backhanders safe

Keeping BAM in record profits. 600 million euro budgets turned into 2.4 billion euro budgets.developers laughing all the way to the bank.