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People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

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    #1112
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Common sense or cop on is all that is required to see through a con.

    Yes, so do you think Matt is saying all FF/FG voters have no cop on?


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    #1113
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Yes, so do you think Matt is saying all FF/FG voters have no cop on?

    Ask Matt what he means.

    For me I think people are comfortable with the 'con' and the pretending of FF and FG, because itisn't them who pay ultimately. 'I'm alright jack syndrome'.

    For the record some of the laziest, cosseted and whining souls I have met are in full employment.


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    #1114
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ask Matt what he means.

    The post you responded to was directed at Matt


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    #1115
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    The post you responded to was directed at Matt

    and?

    I answered you and your interpretation.


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    #1116
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    and?

    I answered you and your interpretation.

    And nothing, you were saying ask another poster what he means when I had already replied to him.


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    #1117
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    is_that_so wrote: »
    We have representative democracy, people elected to make these decisions and we get a say in who they are.

    which is why people are complaining about housing, health, insurance etc. You seem quite happy to be taken for a ride - you get to say who they are, but you don't get a say in what they do and you think thats brilliant.

    Wow -pure genius that. Never mind you actually put it down in writing on the internet.

    No wonder you find the way SF runs weird - they practice actual democracy. Bound to be alien to you.


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    #1118
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    And nothing, you were saying ask another poster what he means when I had already replied to him.

    Why were you seeking my help then? :rolleyes:


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    #1119
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Why were you seeking my help then? :rolleyes:

    I wasn't seeking help, you replied to one of my posts. I did likewise


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    #1120
    RandomName2
    Registered Users Posts: 5,570 ✭✭✭RandomName2


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Well on my friends list on social media the vast majority sharing the SF stuff and urging people to vote SF are all Full time mad Bastards, School of Hard Knocks or full time #Bossbabes....... Who can all be seen on a Monday mornj g collecting the social..... FG must not be that bad too them though of they can survive on 203 a week......

    .I suppose when Mary Lou is Taoiseach they will have 245 a week from the dole.....

    Although shops and businesses will have to raise Thier prices due to the 12 or 13 quid an hour living wage, on top of a hike in employers PRSI,

    They will be worse off in the long run although as long as Dutch Gold stays cheap and they buy tobacco from good republicans they will be grand.

    Their budget includes increasing taxation on cigarettes. I'm not sure what their position about dissidents who actively engage in smuggling in and around the border is. Maybe they would be less forgiving of this type of activity if it was hurting their treasury.


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    #1121
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    I wasn't seeking help, you replied to one of my posts. I did likewise

    Yeh, you asked me what Matt thought. :rolleyes:

    Strange. But carry on.


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    #1122
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    christy c wrote: »
    No I don't really agree with what they said, nor am I fretting about you. Just highlighting your hypocrisy again.

    So there's a massive portion of the population not fully aware of what they are letting themselves in for? Yet you are smart enough to see through it.
    christy c wrote: »
    Missed this bit first time out, yeah maybe sometimes it's to get a dig in. But I've often commented where I highlighed lies, hypocrisy and waffle too.

    You are doing exactly what I said, only commenting on my post to get a dig in.
    You've now called me a hypocrite and a liar. Pretty nasty.
    I'd rather you kept the discussion on topic and leave the personal be. Thanks.


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    #1123
    Billcarson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭Billcarson


    I used to vote for ff when I was younger, but since 2007 I've been voting for sf. I was unhappy the way the country was going back in the mid noughties . I was able thankfully to get on the property ladder but many people my own age were priced out of the market and also rip off Ireland was in full swing. It was like there was no regulation no one shouting stop . So I turned against ff and decided to start voting sf ( didn't think and still dont that fg were any better than ff) and do my bit however small to break the ff / fg cycle.


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    #1124
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Yeh, you asked me what Matt thought. :rolleyes:

    Strange. But carry on.

    Yes I asked after you responded to me, I didn't seek out your help as you put it. Anyway, I'll leave you to whatever it is you're at here.


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    #1125
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    Yes I asked after you responded to me, I didn't seek out your help as you put it. Anyway, I'll leave you to whatever it is you're at here.

    Are we not allowed to respond?

    Only you can come on and comment on others posts uninvited? Sorry boss! :)


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    #1126
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You are doing exactly what I said, only commenting on my post to get a dig in.

    You already made that suggestion. I'd rather you kept the discussion on topic and leave the personal be. Thanks.

    Nothing personal at all about highlighting hypocrisy in someones posts.

    To get back on topic so, I have given my thoughts on the thread topic. (i.e. that people don't vote vote SF because they have economic policies that make Bertie look prudent). Would you consider the lowering of the pension age a good idea? If so why? My thoughts are that it is bonkers, especially given the ever decreasing pensioner to worker ratio


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    #1127
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Are we not allowed to respond?

    Only you can come on and comment on others posts uninvited? Sorry boss! :)

    As I said I'll leave you to whatever you are up to. This is one of the rare occasions where I agree with Matt and I'd like to see the thread get back on topic.


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    #1128
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    christy c wrote: »
    whatever you are up to. .

    Stranger. :confused:

    Chill christy.


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    #1129
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Stranger. :confused:

    Chill christy.

    Perfectly chilled, bemused would be a more appropriate description.


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    #1130
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,196 ✭✭✭christy c


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    You've now called me a hypocrite and a liar. Pretty nasty.

    Another edit I missed. Not nasty at all, accurate. Your post history is there.


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    #1131
    piplip87
    Registered Users Posts: 2,127 ✭✭✭piplip87


    Arrogant MayLooney again today.

    Was told economists had criticized her manifesto and had issues with it....

    Her reaponse.... Finnia Fail, Big Business and the crash.

    Again it's very easy to promise massive spending when you won't turn up after the election


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    #1132
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Arrogant MayLooney again today.

    Was told economists had criticized her manifesto and had issues with it....

    Her reaponse.... Finnia Fail, Big Business and the crash.

    Again it's very easy to promise massive spending when you won't turn up after the election

    Insightful and reasoned critique ;)


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    #1133
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,339 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    For the record some of the laziest, cosseted and whining souls I have met are in full employment.

    Courtesy of Sinn Feins jobs for the boys


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    #1134
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Ask Matt what he means.

    For me I think people are comfortable with the 'con' and the pretending of FF and FG, because itisn't them who pay ultimately. 'I'm alright jack syndrome'.

    For the record some of the laziest, cosseted and whining souls I have met are in full employment.


    For some counter and balance, some of the lads within FG are so spectacularly feckin busy they can do two roles at once.

    Lifting wedges of moolah from the Irish tax payer while doing jobs in Brussels at the same time.

    Double jobhing as they say.


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    #1135
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Edgware wrote: »
    I.e. He opens the office for the engineer and makes sure there is paper in the printer

    Alas Pearce the “engineer “ didn’t even make it that far. He found there’s a far easier career pretending to know something about economics/finance to gullible voters looking for easy answers via other people’s wallets. He mustn’t be as dumb as his career to date would otherwise suggest!


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    #1136
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 69,202 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    road_high wrote: »
    Alas Pearce the “engineer “ didn’t even make it that far. He found there’s a far easier career pretending to know something about economics/finance to gullible voters looking for easy answers via other people’s wallets. He mustn’t be as dumb as his career to date would otherwise suggest!

    :D Like the Dail's teachers, doctors and publicans found a handier way too?


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    #1137
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    piplip87 wrote: »
    Arrogant MayLooney again today.

    Was told economists had criticized her manifesto and had issues with it....

    Her reaponse.... Finnia Fail, Big Business and the crash.

    Again it's very easy to promise massive spending when you won't turn up after the election

    she's terrible that one.

    oh **** .. the brainwashing has worked on me after all....


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    #1138
    road_high
    Registered Users Posts: 19,417 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    A very ignorant and simplistic post.
    You keep voting in FG and whinging about the squeezed middle. They give as many f***s about you as they do other tax payers on lower incomes. Enjoy.

    I will of course as I want to hold onto my job and as much of my hard earned income as possible. I don’t buy into the SF fantasy of a nice life paid for by someone else. SFs focus is the low paid and unemployed.
    I’m not here to sugar coat my views on SF or their looney tune manifesto and will never stop calling them out on their reckless and dangerous policies


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    #1139
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    road_high wrote: »
    I will of course as I want to hold onto my job and as much of my hard earned income as possible. I don’t buy into the SF fantasy of a nice life paid for by someone else. SFs focus is the low paid and unemployed.
    I’m not here to sugar coat my views on SF or their looney tune manifesto and will never stop calling them out on their reckless and dangerous policies

    Fine and dandy. No need to get nasty about people.
    How do you feel about paying for 25 year leases off vulture funds who pay low tax?
    A sky's the limit mystery cost on the NCH?

    And where are all these lucky welfare recipients coming from? Might it be the exact same people FG are looking after, (quite rightly IMO) now?

    Reckless, like national crises reckless?

    That's all folks...


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    #1140
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    road_high wrote: »
    I will of course as I want to hold onto my job and as much of my hard earned income as possible. I don’t buy into the SF fantasy of a nice life paid for by someone else. SFs focus is the low paid and unemployed.
    I’m not here to sugar coat my views on SF or their looney tune manifesto and will never stop calling them out on their reckless and dangerous policies

    theres quite a few people - many many in fact - who work everyday and can just about make ends meet. thats the definition of low paid if you ask me. which you werent mind you, but this is the internet


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    #1141
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    This whole "Sinn Fein voters are poor, stupid and ignorant" guff that you hear - i dont understand how those spouting it can't

    A) realise how incredibly incorrect they are

    B)
    everyone sees through it.

    except for other fervent anti shinners - who wish to spread the word of how bad the shinners are so much, thats most of the SF related threads are created by them - of course


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