People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

No worries Frankie. I will use €10 to buy some waffles to donate on your behalf.

There is no doubt about the denigration of the homeless in the second part of your post, but just satisfy my curiousity...is there something similar going on in continually calling me 'Frankie'. If not, I suggest a trip to http://www.specsavers.ie/

Might sort out some of your other blindspots too.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There is no doubt about the denigration of the homeless in the second part of your post, but just satisfy my curiousity...is there something similar going on in continually calling me 'Frankie'. If not, I suggest a trip to http://www.specsavers.ie/

Might sort out some of your other blindspots too.

My predictive text offers Frankie first who am I to argue.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

My predictive text offers Frankie first who am I to argue.

Easily led so.

Wanderer2010

I think the party have done a good job of trying to distance themselves from the association with a violent republican terror group, the IRA. Younger blood like David Cullinane seem to try their best to help people on a local level and a lot of the newer faces didn't live through the Troubles at all so they are starting on a clean slate as such. I even think Mary Lou speaks a lot of sense and I admire her questioning of the current shower of wasters on issues like housing and health.

However I couldn't in all good conscience vote for any member of a party which had as its head a psychopathic terrorist (Gerry Adams) who blatantly denied, to this day, any membership of the IRA despite the dog on the street knowing he was pulling some major strings behind the scenes, turning up for funerals of IRA members and he has the blood of countless innocent people on his hands by not revealing the information he knows about buried victims. He was the head of that party and as long as that association exists, I would never vote SF.

Fann Linn

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I think the party have done a good job of trying to distance themselves from the association with a violent republican terror group, the IRA. Younger blood like David Cullinane seem to try their best to help people on a local level and a lot of the newer faces didn't live through the Troubles at all so they are starting on a clean slate as such. I even think Mary Los speaks a lot of sense and I admire her questioning of the current shower of wasters on issues like housing and health.

However I couldn't in all good conscience vote for any member of a party which had as its head a psychopathic terrorist (Gerry Adams) who blatantly denied, to this day, any membership of the IRA despite the dog on the street knowing he was pulling some major strings behind the scenes, turning up for funerals of IRA members and he has the blood of countless innocent people on his hands by not revealing the information he knows about buried victims. He was the head of that party and as long as that association exists, I would never vote SF.

De Valera and Collins weren't exactly Mother Theresa either.

Snow Garden

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

I think the party have done a good job of trying to distance themselves from the association with a violent republican terror group, the IRA. Younger blood like David Cullinane seem to try their best to help people on a local level and a lot of the newer faces didn't live through the Troubles at all so they are starting on a clean slate as such. I even think Mary Los speaks a lot of sense and I admire her questioning of the current shower of wasters on issues like housing and health.

I think David Cullinane comes across as creepy, secretive and negative in every show he appears on. He seems the epitome of a SF TD.
Mary Lou is streets ahead of most of them. I think she might be in the wrong party.

James Brown

efanton wrote: »

Pension funds hit amid fears property now overvalued
https://www.independent.ie/business/pension-funds-hit-amid-fears-property-now-overvalued-38912574.html

De ja vu ?

The last time the property market went snap crackle and pop did we not see the same initial indicator? Smart money and pension funds offloading assets or getting out of investment property just before everything went horribly wrong.

This is just the news that Leo and FG do not need especially if smaller funds follow suit.

If this is an initial indicator of a substantial shift in property investments, he will not need to worry about a rent freeze it will be way too late for that, he will have much bigger worries to deal with like explaining to his party supporters why they are completely broke yet again.

I hope this is just a blip because if it isn't the vulture funds and investment funds could end up going on a fire sale of the like Ireland could never imagine.

A story to watch closely, because it could be the tipping point of the election if there is significant continued revaluations of property investments.
I genuinely hope this is nothing, no matter which party you might support, its bad news.
Being able to prove government policy is wrong and has been for quite a while, is not in anybody's or any party's interest if this is a major shift by investment firms.

The smart ballsy guys are voting Fine Gael.

SafeSurfer

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The smart ballsy guys are voting Fine Gael.

It’s as likely to be a reaction by investors to the potential of Sinn Fein in government as anything else.

Fann Linn

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s as likely to be a reaction by investors to the potential of Sinn Fein in government as anything else.

Never gonna happen according to FF/FG.
Or should we doubt them?

McMurphy

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s as likely to be a reaction by investors to the potential of Sinn Fein in government as anything else.

It's a potential now is it, changed your tune.

SafeSurfer

Fann Linn wrote: »

Never gonna happen according to FF/FG.
Or should we doubt them?

We can have our own strongly held beliefs, but investors, just like Francie are not always prepared to put their money where their mouth is.

Why risk your investment if a party in second place before an election is committed to punishing them?

FrancieBrady

McMurphy wrote: »

It's a potential now is it, changed your tune.

I didn't like to point that out. :D

If it is a reaction to a change of government then it is sure evidence that FG policy is being influenced/dictated by unelected funds and investors.

James Brown

ricero wrote: »

The young generations are waking up and abandoning the civil war politics.

The snobs, landlords and vulture funders are worried, Sinn Fein will be the majority government within the next decade.

Unlikely.
FF/FG will change their political 'ethos' on paper anyway, 'we've changed, that was then this is now etc '. When you are dishonest it's easy to sell your product.
I'll be interested to see how they blame us for the next crash considering nobody has the means to 'go mad' or 'party'. Disgusting institutions.

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I didn't like to point that out. :D

If it is a reaction to a change of government then it sure evidence that FG policy is being influence/dictated by unelected funds and investors.

Don’t you think you have that arse ways Frankie? Investors are influenced by government policy and “potential” change in that policy.
It’s not a new concept. Look at the surge in sterling when in became apparent that Corbyn wasn’t going to be influencing policy.

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

It’s as likely to be a reaction by investors to the potential of Sinn Fein in government as anything else.

We can do without entities which damage the country and that includes Fine Gael.
Everytime I hear about the economy going well while we are in crises I know everything FG stand for is wrong and needs to stop.
Jeering those struggling worked until FG created more of them.

Nitrogan

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'll be interested to see how they blame us for the next crash considering nobody has the means to 'go mad' or 'party'. Disgusting institutions.

What?


People are spending like never before on borrowed money.


There was an interview with a resident in Drogheda about the violent drug deaths in the area and the woman complained that she had to borrow a grand from a money lender for X-mas, with 1500 owed in six months, because she'd already taken a 4 grand Credit Union loan to pay off her brother's drug debts. As if the brother was the only one with a problem habit.



The idea of going without because you can't afford it doesn't exist in Ireland.

JohnnyFlash

McMurphy wrote: »

It's a potential now is it, changed your tune.

Would you like to see SF in Government yourself, dude?

SafeSurfer

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Unlikely.
FF/FG will change their political 'ethos' on paper anyway, 'we've changed, that was then this is now etc '. When you are dishonest it's easy to sell your product.
I'll be interested to see how they blame us for the next crash considering nobody has the means to 'go mad' or 'party'. Disgusting institutions.

You say “FF/FG will change their political ethos” as a criticism?

Who has changed their political ethos more than Sinn Fein in the last decades?

From a policy of bombs, bullets and ballot boxes to “fully democratic”.

From a socialist party to Fianna Fáil Lite. No party has tried to change more than Sinn Fein

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Don’t you think you have that arse ways Frankie? Investors are influenced by government policy and “potential” change in that policy.
It’s not a new concept. Look at the surge in sterling when in became apparent that Corbyn wasn’t going to be influencing policy.

We don't want vultures. You don't seem to know what investing means. Making money off the public's misery is not investing, in Ireland anyway I'm sure where they pay tax is happy.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

Don’t you think you have that arse ways Frankie? Investors are influenced by government policy and “potential” change in that policy.
It’s not a new concept. Look at the surge in sterling when in became apparent that Corbyn wasn’t going to be influencing policy.

Sure!!! The greedy would never time an action to try and influence. Sure! :rolleyes:

SafeSurfer

Matt Barrett wrote: »

We don't want vultures. You don't seem to know what investing means. Making money off the public's misery is not investing, in Ireland anyway I'm sure where they pay tax is happy.

You write this and say I don’t know what investing means?

Really?

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sure!!! The greedy would never time an action to try and influence. Sure! :rolleyes:

A couple of posts ago you were claiming not to be a conspiracy theorist.

McMurphy

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Would you like to see SF in Government yourself, dude?

Nah, I have a few bob on a FF minority govt this time out. Possibly see them as main opposition party that might happen.

There's no doubt about it though, there's an appetite for change in the air.

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You say “FF/FG will change their political ethos” as a criticism?

Who has changed their political ethos more than Sinn Fein in the last decades?

From a policy of bombs, bullets and ballot boxes to “fully democratic”.

From a socialist party to Fianna Fáil Lite. No party has tried to change more than Sinn Fein

Yes, when its lies. Like Kenny in 2011. They got in on lies.
Genuine growth and change should happen. FG/FF are spoofers out for themselves and their own.
Great. They've all done that. That's a positive apart from FG/Lab putting a dissident in the senate to score points.

James Brown

SafeSurfer wrote: »

You write this and say I don’t know what investing means?

Really?

Yes. Business coming in and making a killing off a crises in not investing in the country. Its investing in themselves. And FG shouldn't be helping them.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

A couple of posts ago you were claiming not to be a conspiracy theorist.

Exactly. I deal in reality.

SafeSurfer

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Yes. Business coming in and making a killing off a crises in not investing in the country. Its investing in themselves. And FG shouldn't be helping them.

What about saving for one’s retirement? Is a pension an investment?

SafeSurfer

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Exactly. I deal in reality.

For someone who says they deal in reality I don’t see how you can disagree when I call someone predicting a Sinn Fein overall majority within the decade deluded.

FrancieBrady

SafeSurfer wrote: »

For someone who says they deal in reality I don’t see how you can disagree when I call someone predicting a Sinn Fein overall majority within the decade deluded.

There were people here a decade ago predicting that FF would never see the light of day again. I disagreed at the time because anything is possible in politics.
And overall majority for anyone is hard to see, but not impossible.

McMurphy

SafeSurfer wrote: »

What about saving for one’s retirement? Is a pension an investment?

I wouldn't be holding private pensions up as a beacon, not after Noonan raided people's a few years ago.