People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

SEPT 23 1989

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

I won't be voting Sinn Féin but putting that video forward as a reason not to vote SF is ignorant at best. Read up on the context of that funeral.

Just wanted to show young voters what they are voting for

And I know exactly what it was about

maccored

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Just wanted to show young voters what they are voting for

And I know exactly what it was about

explain the link to this election then ... which candidates up for election had anything to do with that?

You obviously have no idea about the tensions around that funeral at the time. the british army shouldnt have sent two men to spy on it - regardless of the idea they had got lost. you wouldnt need to be a genius to work out what was going to happen. ive no idea what its doing in this thread - maybe you should tell us

maccored

SantaCruz wrote: »

Well do you think that Mary Lou would condemn the people who murdered those men?

jesus.

Odhinn

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Vote Sinn Fein kids

This is the reality

'Shock as Armed struggle costs lives'

SantaCruz

maccored wrote: »

jesus.

That didn't really answer the question.

I'd rather my taoiseach condemned murderers. I don't think Mary Lou would. Do you?

efanton

Keep the scare tactics coming lads, I'm sure you are persuading people:rolleyes:


If you have nothing better than scare tactic then it probably because you have no rational argument.
That makes the decision to not vote for FF or FG even easier.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

O'Reilly was a FF man going by the paper for many years.

You are doubling down on this?

Come on.

SantaCruz

efanton wrote: »

Keep the scare tactics coming lads, I'm sure you are persuading people:rolleyes:

It's not a scare tactic.

I doubt anyone is going to be 'scared' by Mary Lou being ok with _some_ murders.

It's just a matter of principle. I'm not ok with murder. I won't be persuaded otherwise. And I'd like a leader who shares that principle.

No scares.

feargale

Matt Barrett wrote: »

FG would have us in the Commonwealth.

If you had a choice between a united Ireland as a republic in the Commonwealth and the present 26-county republic which would you choose?

um7y1h83ge06nx

I was predicting the rise of SF for a few years now as I draw many similarities between Irish and Spanish politics.

The rise of the socialists there in the 30s is similar to the rise of SF. The socialists looked to redistribute wealth, particularly farmers land.

That in turn led to a reaction by many Spanish that led to Falange Espanola and the Carlists linking up with the Spanish army of Africa and Franco.

So SF may get into power but they may face a backlash.

efanton

SantaCruz wrote: »

It's not a scare tactic.

I doubt anyone is going to be 'scared' by Mary Lou being ok with _some_ murders.

It's just a matter of principle. I'm not ok with murder. I won't be persuaded otherwise. And I'd like a leader who shares that principle.

No scares.

I must have missed some recent event or a news item.
Where has ANY SF candidate actually supported violence, murder or criminality?

In fact lets go back as far as you want and point out to me where one of the candidates standing for election has broken the law or obstructed justice?

If there is such evidence I can guarantee you I would not vote for that candidate.

Bishop of hope

A 24 hour turnaround on the Paul Quinn murder story.
I was listening to his poor mother on radio this morning and she's been 13 years looking for an apology for what was said about her son.
Marylou said on TV last night that what was said wasn't said, then tonight she said she did remember something being said but didn't think it was as explicit as the quote that was read out to her said.
Anyway now this good woman is finally going to get her apology, but it won't bring back her son.
Yes I did see a bit of the old SF victim blaming and murder apologist appear tonight again. I don't think they've really gone away you know.
Sorry but this has just convinced me she's just a spoofer.

efanton

Guadalupe Mysterious Foxhound wrote: »

I was predicting the rise of SF for a few years now as I draw many similarities between Irish and Spanish politics.

The rise of the socialists there in the 30s is similar to the rise of SF. The socialists looked to redistribute wealth, particularly farmers land.

That in turn led to a reaction by many Spanish that led to Falange Espanola and the Carlists linking up with the Spanish army of Africa and Franco.

So SF may get into power but they may face a backlash.

And who would be the criminals and supporters of violence or subversion in that case?

I think you will find that many voting for SF in this election do not share their ideological ideals, just as many voters for FG don't truly believe in a free market, winner gets all way of life either. They vote because they either support the proposals put forward, or have lost faith in those that they have voted for before.

Jinglejangle69

efanton wrote: »

I must have missed some recent event or a news item.
Where has ANY SF candidate actually supported violence, murder or criminality?

In fact lets go back as far as you want and point out to me where one of the candidates standing for election has broken the law or obstructed justice?

If there is such evidence I can guarantee you I would not vote for that candidate.

Martin Ferris?

Dessie Ellis?

Gerry Kelly?

delly

efanton wrote: »

I must have missed some recent event or a news item.
Where has ANY SF candidate actually supported violence, murder or criminality?

In fact lets go back as far as you want and point out to me where one of the candidates standing for election has broken the law or obstructed justice?

If there is such evidence I can guarantee you I would not vote for that candidate.

I looked at SF some years back as a possibility against the establishment, but one major incident made it clear to me that they could never be trusted. I agree that the army officer killings had their own context, but the murder of Robert McCartney is relevant and recent enough to show what the party are made of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Robert_McCartney

FrancieBrady

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A 24 hour turnaround on the Paul Quinn murder story.
I was listening to his poor mother on radio this morning and she's been 13 years looking for an apology for what was said about her son.
Marylou said on TV last night that what was said wasn't said, then tonight she said she did remember something being said but didn't think it was as explicit as the quote that was read out to her said.
Anyway now this good woman is finally going to get her apology, but it won't bring back her son.
Yes I did see a bit of the old SF victim blaming and murder apologist appear tonight again. I don't think they've really gone away you know.
Sorry but this has just convinced me she's just a spoofer.

Sadly, none of this, once again, pathetic exploitation of a victim is going to bring her son back.

I think once she realised she was wrong it was genuine shock (it was visible) she was wrong and she accepted it.

James Brown

Guadalupe Mysterious Foxhound wrote: »

I was predicting the rise of SF for a few years now as I draw many similarities between Irish and Spanish politics.

The rise of the socialists there in the 30s is similar to the rise of SF. The socialists looked to redistribute wealth, particularly farmers land.

That in turn led to a reaction by many Spanish that led to Falange Espanola and the Carlists linking up with the Spanish army of Africa and Franco.

So SF may get into power but they may face a backlash.

What about a willfully ignorant arrogant government that panders to foreign business above the needs of the working tax payer, backlash?

SantaCruz

efanton wrote: »

I must have missed some recent event or a news item.
Where has ANY SF candidate actually supported violence, murder or criminality?

In fact lets go back as far as you want and point out to me where one of the candidates standing for election has broken the law or obstructed justice?

If there is such evidence I can guarantee you I would not vote for that candidate.

Can you point me to anywhere that Mary Lou - our putative leader - said that the IRA's murders were wrong and condemned the IRA killers?

I'm just not comfortable with a leader who is comfortable with political murder.

armaghlad

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Vote Sinn Fein kids

This is the reality

If you want reality you can vote Fine Gael. You know the party that did sweet FA in the aftermath of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings? For fear that actually acting on intelligence might give a propaganda boost to republicans? While British state agents running the same UVF gang burst into the home of a family near me and shot their kids dead.

James Brown

Bishop of hope wrote: »

A 24 hour turnaround on the Paul Quinn murder story.
I was listening to his poor mother on radio this morning and she's been 13 years looking for an apology for what was said about her son.
Marylou said on TV last night that what was said wasn't said, then tonight she said she did remember something being said but didn't think it was as explicit as the quote that was read out to her said.
Anyway now this good woman is finally going to get her apology, but it won't bring back her son.
Yes I did see a bit of the old SF victim blaming and murder apologist appear tonight again. I don't think they've really gone away you know.
Sorry but this has just convinced me she's just a spoofer.

I had to google it the other day.
Nothing to do with ML and i'd lose respect for her if she fell for the faux outrage bull**** TBH.
Victim blaming? Are you familiar with Fine Gael and current issues? You'd think FF and FG have some form of higher moral ground.

marieholmfan

I don't care about Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney , Nicky Mountbatten, Paul Maxwell, Tim Parry or Johnathon Ball anything like as much as I care about getting my nephew a council house.

SantaCruz

marieholmfan wrote: »

I don't care about Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney , Nicky Mountbatten, Paul Maxwell, Tim Parry or Johnathon Ball anything like as much as I care about getting my nephew a council house.

Disgusting, but honest. Fair play I suppose.

By the way, speaking as someone who pays rather a lot of tax already, if Sinn Fein drive out the tech companies by increasing taxes, or increase my personal taxes further, I'm just going to quit this country and take my taxes elsewhere. Good luck getting someone to pay for a house for your nephew in that scenario. Or pay for a health service, or teachers, or anything else.

FrancieBrady

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Nothing to do with ML and i'd lose respect for her if she fell for the faux outrage bull**** TBH.

This 100%.

The IMC released a statement at the time that that the killing was not sanctioned by the IRA and that it was about a local dispute about smuggling.

SantaCruz

FrancieBrady wrote: »

This 100%.

The IMC released a statement at the time that that the killing was not sanctioned by the IRA and that it was about a local dispute about smuggling.

Odd that they couldn't bring anyone to justice, but nevermind.

Bishop of hope

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sadly, none of this, once again, pathetic exploitation of a victim is going to bring her son back.

I think once she realised she was wrong it was genuine shock (it was visible) she was wrong and she accepted it.

But by whom Francie? Why did Murphy insinuate this lad was a criminal.
You're from that neck of the woods yourself I think, you probably know more about the case than I do. Why did Murphy try to deflect and virtually try to insinuate that it was because of his criminality that Paul Quinn was murdered?
And why did ML try to exonerate Murphy last night?

James Brown

Do folk think Varadkar should apologise for every trolley death, delayed or false cervical check test, drug shooting etc? More valid IMO.

Idbatterim

marieholmfan wrote: »

I don't care about Paul Quinn, Robert McCartney , Nicky Mountbatten, Paul Maxwell, Tim Parry or Johnathon Ball anything like as much as I care about getting my nephew a council house.

That’s ok , because ffg want every last cent from you to put a roof over your head !

SantaCruz

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Do folk think Varadkar should apologise for every trolley death, delayed or false cervical check test, drug shooting etc? More valid IMO.

Yes, Irish doctors and nurses are terrorists working for Varadkar. Great point.

Jinglejangle69

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Do folk think Varadkar should apologise for every trolley death, delayed or false cervical check test, drug shooting etc? More valid IMO.

Ah there's the deflection we all know!!

christy c

Car crash stuff tonight, stupidity and lack of detail really exposed in their policies. To be fair to MLMD, she did ok given that the manifesto her party has produced looks like a poor transition year project.