People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

jmayo

Greyfox wrote: »

Very smart people. Voting FG is saying your happy to see the housing crisis continue as FG are not offering a solution that's good enough. We need to send a message that we will no longer tolerate mediocrity. Voting SF is not a perfect solution but change is long overdue and it's time we gave someone else a chance.



I couldn't care less, the housing crisis is far more important than what happened in Northern Ireland.

Ehhh the murder in question wasn't in Northern Ireland it was in the Republic of Ireland
But you probably knew that anyway.

Also it wasn't that long ago either a sinn fein TD thought it a good idea to go collect some Garda murderers from prison.

Greyfox

jmayo wrote: »

Also it wasn't that long ago either a sinn fein TD thought it a good idea to go collect some Garda murderers from prison.

As terrible as that is its still nothing compared to the billions wasted by FG/FF. Irish politics is in a bad place and it will continue to be that way if we keep forgiving FG and FF.

SantaCruz

Greyfox wrote: »

As terrible as that is its still nothing compared to the billions wasted by FG/FF. Irish politics is in a bad place and it will continue to be that way if we keep forgiving FG and FF.

Yes, the way to get fiscal prudence in the government is to vote in Sinn Fein, who are proposing to spend what, 10 BILLION more of other people's money from the magic money tree per year?

Gotcha.

*number approximate, it's hard to add up all the promises in their manifesto

SantaCruz

Greyfox wrote: »

I couldn't care less, the housing crisis is far more important than what happened in Northern Ireland.

What's a bit of murder between friends, eh?

Blaze420

SantaCruz wrote: »

Yes, the way to get fiscal prudence in the government is to vote in Sinn Fein, who are proposing to spend what, 10 BILLION more of other people's money from the magic money tree per year?

Gotcha.

*number approximate, it's hard to add up all the promises in their manifesto

Spot on, SF making promises that they can never keep. Magic money tree doesn’t work so well when you exclude the ****ing people who keep it topped up or attempt to screw them over, to play to the lowest common denominator.

is_that_so

Greyfox wrote: »

Very smart people. Voting FG is saying your happy to see the housing crisis continue as FG are not offering a solution that's good enough. We need to send a message that we will no longer tolerate mediocrity. Voting SF is not a perfect solution but change is long overdue and it's time we gave someone else a chance.

By the looks of it FF, not exactly much of a change!

perrito caliente

First time voting in this country and I'll be voting for Sin Fein. Country needs a socialist government and not one composed of crooks and goms.

James Brown

is_that_so wrote: »

By the looks of it FF, not exactly much of a change!

Building our own rather than leasing. At least the tax payer will get something.

is_that_so

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Building our own rather than leasing. At least the tax payer will get something.

I'm sorry I have no idea how that relates to my post.

Blaze420

perrito caliente wrote: »

First time voting in this country and I'll be voting for Sin Fein. Country needs a socialist government and not one composed of crooks and goms.

Yeah a real robin hood government, take from the workers and give to the wasters...

piplip87

jmayo wrote: »

Ehhh the murder in question wasn't in Northern Ireland it was in the Republic of Ireland
But you probably knew that anyway.

Also it wasn't that long ago either a sinn fein TD thought it a good idea to go collect some Garda murderers from prison.

Dont forget a SF hopeful this time round actually married one of them Garda Killers while he was in Prison.....

Cheerful Spring2

Greyfox wrote: »

I couldn't care less, the housing crisis is far more important than what happened in Northern Ireland.

I think individuals overlook how the troubles started. Catholic homes were torched every night in Belfast by Loyalist mobs and catholics young and old lived in fear for their lives. You couldn’t get a good job position as a catholic and the protestant police intimated the local catholic communities. Innocent Catholics marched for equal civil rights and got gunned down by British paratroopers in the street. If this happened in the south, young men would also take up arms to defend their people and their families!

You have righteous people chatting about the IRA history, but it was the IRA who blocked the loyalists from killing more Catholics in the North.  

Everyone deplores the past, but FG and FF need to get over it and stop using the past to slam SF every election. SF party is an Irish community party, they are not some strange people with ludicrous ideas, and totally clueless. SF candidates are generally university educated so they are not brainless about the wider world.

SantaCruz

perrito caliente wrote: »

First time voting in this country and I'll be voting for Sin Fein. Country needs a socialist government and not one composed of crooks and goms.

The problem with socialist governments is that they tend to chase away the money they need to pay for all their promises. How is Venezuela these days?

mynamejeff

Greyfox wrote: »

As terrible as that is its still nothing compared to the billions wasted by FG/FF. Irish politics is in a bad place and it will continue to be that way if we keep forgiving FG and FF.

convicted armed robber and terrorist gives practical and moral support convicted murderers and you want to put these people in charge of the country ?

best give your own moral compass a slap there , it seems to be off

Blaze420

mynamejeff wrote: »

convicted armed robber and terrorist gives practical and moral support convicted murderers and you want to put these people in charge of the country ?

best give your own moral compass a slap there , it seems to be off

The funny thing is the “billions wasted by FG/FF” is partly accounted for by the social welfare bill - which ironically pays half of these **** ranting against the government despite never having contributed a ****ing cent to the state through a hard days work.

Idbatterim

Blaze420 wrote: »

The funny thing is the “billions wasted by FG” is partly accounted for by the social welfare bill - which ironically pays half of these **** ranting against the government despite never having contributed a ****ing cent to the state through a hard days work.

Yeah ! And that’s where no decisions or remembering who put fg in power. More interested in optics , how they look to everyone here , rather than making decisions and leading. Fg said they would reward workers. THey haven’t. Then many who would have voted for them , well, if they support rip off housing which is by a mile most people’s biggest cost , what should I do. Vote for rip off housing an a euro a week tax cuts , as per the last few budgets , when they cut usc ? The figure was about a euro a week for workers on 34k. Those on welfare got a fiver. Fg are driving this change , the spineless morons

Blaze420

Idbatterim wrote: »

Yeah ! And that’s where no decisions or remembering who put fg in power. More interested in optics , how they look to everyone here , rather than making decisions and leading.

Yes but people forget that a stable economy is the sign of a half decent government, have we honestly hit anything detrimental like the FF/Greens/Labour days under FG?

James Brown

Blaze420 wrote: »

Yes but people forget that a stable economy is the sign of a half decent government, have we honestly hit anything detrimental like the FF/Greens/Labour days under FG?

What's stable, the worsening crises?
No, we've far broken records in child homelessness and trolleys in corridors. I'll assume if it doesn't affect you personally it's not an issue?

Idbatterim

Blaze420 wrote: »

Yes but people forget that a stable economy is the sign of a half decent government, have we honestly hit anything detrimental like the FF/Greens/Labour days under FG?

I would agree. IF you want stability , fg are best for it. They are the least populist. Bloody far from perfect though obviously. The issue withers now have is , if you aren’t a homeowner, they support rip off prices. It’s just become beyond obvious to the masses , that fg don’t represent the have nots , even though up to this point they thought they were the ones Leo would reward

I’ll vote green. They couldn’t care less in general about the environment here. I think if things crash , you’d certainly have to blame the senior party most. Also the electorate are delusional with their expectations. We have a very narrow tax base. An idiotic tax policy. I see real problems ahead and semi tough decisions to be made in the next few years. The current set up is simply totally unsustainable

SantaCruz

Blaze420 wrote: »

The funny thing is the “billions wasted by FG/FF” is partly accounted for by the social welfare bill - which ironically pays half of these **** ranting against the government despite never having contributed a ****ing cent to the state through a hard days work.

Funny enough, I just ran the numbers on another thread - bear in mind that the 40 billion can most definitely be laid at FF's door, but anyway:

The bailout cost is netted down to just over 40 billion now.

Our debt ballooned from around 50 billion to 220 billion or so, so it increased by 170 billion.

40 billion is less than 25% of 170 billion.

This means that over 75% of the increase in our national debt was due to current spending on services, pensions, dole payments etc.

So of the 170 billion increase in public debt since 2008:

41 billion or so was FF causing the property crash requiring the bank bailout

129 bilion was FF (until 2011) then FG and Labour (until 2016) and then FG (until today) borrowing to keep paying for the dole, pensions, health service etc.

James Brown

Blaze420 wrote: »

The funny thing is the “billions wasted by FG/FF” is partly accounted for by the social welfare bill - which ironically pays half of these **** ranting against the government despite never having contributed a ****ing cent to the state through a hard days work.

Would some of this welfare money be going on 25 year apartment leases off vulture funds or hotels maybe?

armaghlad

mynamejeff wrote: »

convicted armed robber and terrorist gives practical and moral support convicted murderers and you want to put these people in charge of the country ?

best give your own moral compass a slap there , it seems to be off

I happily vote Sinn Féin. A grassroots party that wants to help the people most in need. Not a shower of brown-envelope passing, self-entitled, holier than thou, money-loving elitists like FFG. You can bring the Ra into it until the cows come home, the fact this all the west-Brits have shows how much they are panicking. You love to see it

SantaCruz

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Would some of this welfare money be going on 25 year apartment leases off vulture funds or hotels maybe?

So you feel we should be borrowing even more money to spend on property, increasing the national debt further, and increasing the cost of existing debt?

gormdubhgorm

There is a good article here written by Maria Cahill in the Indo.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/breege-quinn-finally-forced-mary-lou-into-a-corner-but-it-took-an-election-not-simple-human-decency-from-sf-to-get-an-apology-38929296.html

It sums up the effort a mother had to make just to get a simple apology, after constant denial, misdirection, and fudges.

SantaCruz

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

There is a good article here written by Maria Cahill in the Indo.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2020/breege-quinn-finally-forced-mary-lou-into-a-corner-but-it-took-an-election-not-simple-human-decency-from-sf-to-get-an-apology-38929296.html

It sums up the effort a mother had to make just to get a simple apology, after constant denial, misdirection, and fudges.

But FFG!!

Idbatterim

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Would some of this welfare money be going on 25 year apartment leases off vulture funds or hotels maybe?

Had aontu at the door earlier. I’m down the road from that scandal In Dundrum. I raised this issue. Massively curtailing how much they can provide , because of rip off deals. When there is nowhere near enough money to go around and they waste money like we are some oil rich gulf state. These parasites , if it was their own personal money, would never blow it in that way !

Idbatterim

SantaCruz wrote: »

So you feel we should be borrowing even more money to spend on property, increasing the national debt further, and increasing the cost of existing debt?

No he thinks we should be getting far better value for money for the taxpayer ! Wouldn’t you agree ?!

gormdubhgorm

SantaCruz wrote: »

But FFG!!

I remember Gerry and Martin Mc used to go through the same type of ceremony and song and dance when it came to apologies - and awkward half-hearted/qualified condemnations.

It is basically a damage limitation exercise. And Maria Cahill is correct the apology would not have happened, only for there is an election on.

The Rape of Lucretia

I guess we can sum up the reasons then as :

• most people are unwilling to vote for people confortable being, or associating with, murderers and terrorists
• most people prefer their representatives and parties to be from this country rather than being obsessed with a foreign one and taking it over, or having its heartland support abroad
• there is a limit of about 25% of Ireland interested in electing left flavoured parties
• most people recognise that SF, aside from their unsavoury aspects, actually offer nothing new that is not already available to them from the respectable parties
• most are deterred by the idea of a government party not having confidence in the justice system
• there is an offputting whiff about SF that the absence of substance or cogent costings to political proposals, is indicative that they are making it up as they go along, and will say anything on the basis that if it leads to a 32 country Ireland, then, anything goes. Whats a lie or fictional economics when you are prepared to murder and maim?
• their polticians sound even more weasely and slipperily dishonest than even the politicians of all other parties. Hard to believe I know. But true.
• the worry behind it all that you woudnt really get public representatives if you vote for them. You get stooges, who are controled by either a central council that determines what they will think and say, or worse, by a foreign army council who just see Dails SF TDs as another weapon in their battle for 'Brits Out' of Northern Ireland.

Anyone voting SF, really need to take adeep breath and consider the magnitude of the error with which they are toying.

James Brown

SantaCruz wrote: »

So you feel we should be borrowing even more money to spend on property, increasing the national debt further, and increasing the cost of existing debt?

Nope we should be building. A better deal for the tax payer. Since when is leasing en masse for 25 years cheaper than building en masse? Do you think the people leasing the apartments built them to make a loss?