People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

Eric Cartman

Zetor19 wrote: »

This country is worse than North Korea. Free to vote for whoever as long as it’s fg or ff. Would not be one bit surprised if votes were been “miscounted” as a double safety against a strong sf vote.

This is exactly the kind of response I expect from SF, ‘we didnt lose, the ballot was tampered with’

smurgen

Edgware wrote: »

You don't seem to understand how the media and democracy works. Don't be getting upset because we all aren't fooled by your magic beans policies

Nama is magic beans dude. Have a read man. Educate yourself and maybe you'll feel better or not ;

""Nama is choosing to ignore its original remit to claw back the €42-plus billion loss to the taxpayers from the haircut given to the banks. With that in mind, Nama’s €2.3 billion surplus is actually a loss of €40-plus billion"

https://www.businesspost.ie/insight/how-namas-billions-fed-the-vulture-funds-d964c8cd

is_that_so

smurgen wrote: »

Nama is magic beans dude. Have a read man. Educate yourself and maybe you'll feel better or not ;

""Nama is choosing to ignore its original remit to claw back the €42-plus billion loss to the taxpayers from the haircut given to the banks. With that in mind, Nama’s €2.3 billion surplus is actually a loss of €40-plus billion"

https://www.businesspost.ie/insight/how-namas-billions-fed-the-vulture-funds-d964c8cd

Educate yourself dude by reading some actual facts. Why do people keep trotting out the opinion of a former developer who was in NAMA and who clearly has a special loathing for them, as an insight into NAMA? That €40bn is utter nonsense as is the made-up crap about their remit.

You can start your reading here.

https://www.nama.ie/about-us

smurgen

is_that_so wrote: »

Educate yourself dude by reading some actual facts. Why do people keep trotting out the opinion of a former developer who was in NAMA and who clearly has a special loathing for them, as an insight into NAMA? That €40bn is utter nonsense as is the made-up crap about their remit.

You can start your reading here.

https://www.nama.ie/about-us

Why the resistance for inquiries if all is above board? Why the criminal investigations In the north related to it?

smurgen

is_that_so wrote: »

Educate yourself dude by reading some actual facts. Why do people keep trotting out the opinion of a former developer who was in NAMA and who clearly has a special loathing for them, as an insight into NAMA? That €40bn is utter nonsense as is the made-up crap about their remit.

You can start your reading here.

https://www.nama.ie/about-us

Here's an EU report buddy.sure Nama are hardly gonna tell the truth about themselves.plus there's constant mission drift. Wind down date now extended from '21 to '25. Sounds out of control!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ec.europa.eu/cyprus/sites/cyprus/files/ireland_-_nama.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwixxYTRwrznAhU0VBUIHcS-Bh44ChAWMAR6BAgBEAU&usg=AOvVaw0oLdY_mqdRIlyy_fruNdPj

is_that_so

smurgen wrote: »

Why the resistance for inquiries if all is above board? Why the criminal investigations In the north related to it?

A lot of information about deals would come under commercial confidentiality. Project Eagle is one portfolio and there do appear to be some issues with the deal makers, not NAMA.

smurgen

is_that_so wrote: »

A lot of information about deals would come under commercial confidentiality. Project Eagle is one portfolio and there do appear to be some issues with the deal makers, not NAMA.

That money was only resting in those Isle of Man accounts!

is_that_so

smurgen wrote: »

Here's an EU report buddy.sure Nama are hardly gonna tell the truth about themselves.plus there's constant mission drift. Wind down date now extended from '21 to '25. Sounds out of control!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://ec.europa.eu/cyprus/sites/cyprus/files/ireland_-_nama.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwixxYTRwrznAhU0VBUIHcS-Bh44ChAWMAR6BAgBEAU&usg=AOvVaw0oLdY_mqdRIlyy_fruNdPj

It was a decision made by Paschal, partly because of NARPS the social housing vehicle, and a fairly obvious one as they have a huge load of cash that can be invested and even more money made for taxpayers. Their duty as a bad bank is all but wrapped up.

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2019/0725/1065185-nama-review/

Perhaps NAMA can be the start of our own sovereign fund!

is_that_so

smurgen wrote: »

That money was only resting in those Isle of Man accounts!

Some money is lighter in certain banks!

smurgen

is_that_so wrote: »

Some money is lighter in certain banks!

Yep every single citizens' account is since we're paying USC over ten years now.systemic corruption.

JeffKenna

armaghlad wrote: »

So you have heard of him but it’s just this week leading up to the election that his murder has suddenly become important? I get ya now

This has always been kept in the news through Paul's family and has always been important.

FrancieBrady

JeffKenna wrote: »

This has always been kept in the news through Paul's family and has always been important.

Have a look at what people are saying online...

'Yes, we recognise the family's pain but we also recognise that they (the family) are being ruthlessly exploited by political entities that have been largely, if not wholly silent, on it for years.'


...would sum up what is being said on my social media, which I said before is set-up to give me a broad cross section of opinion in the country.

I'm not convinced that the latest 'exploitation of victims' will be so effective this time.

gormdubhgorm

Mary Lou came out and metaphorically put her hands up against the wall (on some issues) and spread them for Pat Kenny's interrogation on Newstalk today.
Hands up on Conor Murphy / Quinn then dodged the rest.
Hands up on Stormont out for three years during Brexit

Pat gave her a fair grilling and she was caught out in a number of contradictions. She struggled on the issue of how SF have performed on homelessness in NI and effectively blamed the British! She was extremely contradictory on the Special Criminal Courts again. She went on the one hand route and on the other hand route - while saying nothing really.

Do SF supporters or others believe that another SF person would do a better job?
There was a telling point where Pat was going on about SF's record in NI. Mary Lou suddenly then said that she is from Dublin. Pat pointed out that it was the only way to judge SF in power and that they are an AI party.

This is the nub of the issue again SF playing two different games simultaneously and Mary Lou is the southerner distant from NI. Pearse Doherty a better choice?

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Mary Lou came out and metaphorically put her hands up against the wall (on some issues) and spread them for Pat Kenny's interrogation on Newstalk today.
Hands up on Conor Murphy / Quinn then dodged the rest.
Hands up on Stormont out for three years during Brexit

Pat gave her a fair grilling and she was caught out in a number of contradictions. She struggled on the issue of how SF have performed on homelessness in NI and effectively blamed the British! She was extremely contradictory on the Special Criminal Courts again. She went on the one hand route and on the other hand route - while saying nothing really.

Do SF supporters or others believe that another SF person would do a better job?
There was a telling point where Pat was going on about SF's record in NI. Mary Lou suddenly then said that she is from Dublin. Pat pointed out that it was the only way to judge SF in power and that they are an AI party.

This is the nub of the issue again SF playing two different games simultaneously and Mary Lou is the southerner distant from NI. Pearse Doherty a better choice?

And when Leo was asked the other morning why he was happy to encourage SF to go back into the executive when he thought they were unfit for government here...suddenly the 'north's executive was a unique entity and unlike anywhere else and couldn't be compared to here'.

McDowell just did it again there on So'R during his Wehrmacht Republic rant.

Hypocrisy most high.

maccored

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Mary Lou came out and metaphorically put her hands up against the wall (on some issues) and spread them for Pat Kenny's interrogation on Newstalk today.
Hands up on Conor Murphy / Quinn then dodged the rest.
Hands up on Stormont out for three years during Brexit

Pat gave her a fair grilling and she was caught out in a number of contradictions. She struggled on the issue of how SF have performed on homelessness in NI and effectively blamed the British! She was extremely contradictory on the Special Criminal Courts again. She went on the one hand route and on the other hand route - while saying nothing really.

Do SF supporters or others believe that another SF person would do a better job?
There was a telling point where Pat was going on about SF's record in NI. Mary Lou suddenly then said that she is from Dublin. Pat pointed out that it was the only way to judge SF in power and that they are an AI party.

This is the nub of the issue again SF playing two different games simultaneously and Mary Lou is the southerner distant from NI. Pearse Doherty a better choice?

The nub of the issue is you dont seem to understand that WM makes all the financial decisions and then asks the parties to either accept them or not.

blanch152

armaghlad wrote: »

So you have heard of him but it’s just this week leading up to the election that his murder has suddenly become important? I get ya now

As you well know, some of us have talked about Paul Quinn, Mairia Cahill, Paudie McMahon for a very long time on here, usually snidely dismissed by the usual suspects.

gormdubhgorm

maccored wrote: »

The nub of the issue is you dont seem to understand that WM makes all the financial decisions and then asks the parties to either accept them or not.

So that is reason SF could sit on thier hands for three years so?
Why not bring back direct rule from WM entirely and get rid of stormont?
Very contradictory/hypocritical stuff from SF imo.

Trizo

The North isn't the only way to judge either, you can look to the county councils too.

Consider Dublin city county council where up until the elections last year SF had control of the council with the most seats…

And lets remind ourselves of the remit of county councils:

responsible for delivering a broad range of services in relation to roads; traffic; planning; housing; economic and community development; environment, recreation and amenity services; fire services and maintaining the register of electors

So what happened then in last years elections SF lost 8 seats and control of the council … why because they did a poor job

seamus

armaghlad wrote: »

So you have heard of him but it’s just this week leading up to the election that his murder has suddenly become important? I get ya now

Well, apparently it's his mother who has decided to bring this up now.

And I'd say that she's probably the only person in the country who gets to decide when it is or isn't important to talk about.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And when Leo was asked the other morning why he was happy to encourage SF to go back into the executive when he thought they were unfit for government here...suddenly the 'north's executive was a unique entity and unlike anywhere else and couldn't be compared to here'.

McDowell just did it again there on So'R during his Wehrmacht Republic rant.

Hypocrisy most high.

As other posters like yourself have pointed out NI is a different entity coming out of a conflict. So Leo is actually chiming with this view as well as the NI executive has to be unique as a result of the conflict.

maccored

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So that is reason SF could sit on thier hands for three years so?
Why not bring back direct rule from WM entirely and get rid of stormont?
Very contradictory/hypocritical stuff from SF imo.

no - the reason was - if you bothered keeping up to date - the RHI scandal (which STILL isnt resolved due to the DUP being required by the Tories)

Really - just step back from the thread as you are out of your depth

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Have a look at what people are saying online...

'Yes, we recognise the family's pain but we also recognise that they (the family) are being ruthlessly exploited by political entities that have been largely, if not wholly silent, on it for years.'


...would sum up what is being said on my social media, which I said before is set-up to give me a broad cross section of opinion in the country.

I'm not convinced that the latest 'exploitation of victims' will be so effective this time.

Breege Quinn doesn’t look or sound like someone being exploited.

Would you get up the yard with your nonsensical defence of all things Sinn Fein.

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And when Leo was asked the other morning why he was happy to encourage SF to go back into the executive when he thought they were unfit for government here...suddenly the 'north's executive was a unique entity and unlike anywhere else and couldn't be compared to here'.

McDowell just did it again there on So'R during his Wehrmacht Republic rant.

Hypocrisy most high.

maccored wrote: »

The nub of the issue is you dont seem to understand that WM makes all the financial decisions and then asks the parties to either accept them or not.

I think maccored has answered Francie question of why NI is different. Great to see contradictory opinions from similar sources.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I'm not convinced that the latest 'exploitation of victims' will be so effective this time.

I would disagree Breege Quinn has been pressuring SF for action for 13 years!
The election debate question from Miriam just shone so bright a light on the duplicity of SF regarding the issue - Conor Murphy's comments - Mary Lou's denial.
The fact she was caught in Murphy's lie it had to be addressed.
The result was an apology from SF so there finally has been some movement after immense pressure.
The next step would be SF helping the authorities convict the alleged preparation that could take another 13 years at the rate SF go.

maccored

blanch152 wrote: »

I think maccored has answered Francie question of why NI is different. Great to see contradictory opinions from similar sources.

i think you have (purposefully) misread what francie was saying. Also, as you now accept the north is different setup compeltely, its about time the comparison rubbish with governing in the north ceased. Yes?

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Breege Quinn doesn’t look or sound like someone being exploited.

Would you get up the yard with your nonsensical defence of all things Sinn Fein.

She looks, at this moment, exactly like all the other victims that have been exploited by FF and FG whenever SF get to close to upsetting the duopoly.

gormdubhgorm

maccored wrote: »

no - the reason was - if you bothered keeping up to date - the RHI scandal (which STILL isnt resolved due to the DUP being required by the Tories)

Really - just step back from the thread as you are out of your depth

Not true unlike you I can see through how SF created a controversy pretending to want an Irish language act in response to the cash for ash etc.
The reality is the Irish language was used as political football.
Mary Lou has poor Irish and Michelle O'Neill has no Irish and yet they exploited the Irish language for political machinations.

maccored

what this thread tells me is that a lot of the anti SF noise is basically absolute bollox the posters heard on the telly

maccored

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true unlike you I can see through how SF created a controversy pretending to want an Irish language act in response to the cash for ash etc.
The reality is the Irish language was used as political football.
Mary Lou has poor Irish and Michelle O'Neill has no Irish and yet they exploited the Irish language for political machinations.

step. back. from. the. thread.

blanch152

maccored wrote: »

i think you have (purposefully) misread what francie was saying. Also, as you now accept the north is different setup compeltely, its about time the comparison rubbish with governing in the north ceased. Yes?

Yes, they are different, and that difference shows that Sinn Fein are not fit to govern in a normal democracy.