People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

By the broader public you mean the voting bloc who are not old enough to remember the troubles and all the disingenuous nature of SF?
That seems to be SF's main tactic wait for enough of the older people to die.
I suppose it makes a change from making people die!

The only 'bloc' who won't vote for SF in majority numbers is the 50-64 yr old one.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poll

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought that was 2014 three years after the presidential election?
Jean McConville?

As regards the OP, housing has more to do with giving SF a vote than abusing the family of Jean McConville to score points, but it doesn't endear FF/FG to me.

maccored

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought that was 2014 three years after the presidential election?
Jean McConville?

yeah, dont let the fact he was released and not charged, sent to court or imprisoned - just before an election- get in the way

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I thought that was 2014 three years after the presidential election?
Jean McConville?

Apologies, there has been that many I got confused. I meant the local and European elections.

armaghlad

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Not true unlike you I can see through how SF created a controversy pretending to want an Irish language act in response to the cash for ash etc.
The reality is the Irish language was used as political football.
Mary Lou has poor Irish and Michelle O'Neill has no Irish and yet they exploited the Irish language for political machinations.

SDLP and Alliance also support an Irish language act, something that was included in St Andrews agreement and was resisted and continues to be resisted by xenophobic Ulster unionists. So slide on there son

Quin_Dub

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only 'bloc' who won't vote for SF in majority numbers is the 50-64 yr old one.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poll

Interestingly, in that same poll there are 2 questions asked with less than positive results for SF

What Coalition governments would you like to see ?

Only 21% of people expressed an interest in having SF in a Coalition, so not even all of the 25% that say they'll vote for them?
Not sure if that means that they only want SF to be in Government on their own , which can't happen given that they are not running enough candidates or if they'd prefer them to remain in opposition.


46% would be happy with FF involved and 34% with FG - So both of them have support to be in government from people that say they wouldn't give them a 1st preference.

The other question was

What party do you NOT want to see in Government.

36% said SF , 32% said FG and 23% said FF


The answers to both of those question would suggest that for all their increased 1st preference support, SF still have a significant transfer problem.

smurgen

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

You are missing the point it is a clear illustration of the difficulties SF have in the broader. They claim to support the rule of law on the ROI and see the need for special powers (said Mary today). Yet are anti the special criminal courts because of SF's history with them and the diplock courts in NI.

The Quinn issue is just one single issue - one which Bertie apolgised for his comments on it years ago but Conor Murphy did not. If SF were more honest and upfront these issue would not have reared it's head again.
The issue is symptomatic of the culture of secrecy and denial within SF who have to play the delicate balancing act of maintaining hard-line republicans and looking for new voters. It is why many people see the hard work SF candidates put in, but how they are let down by the more negative and murky aspects of SF culture.
It proves to potential collation partners that it is too early for SF yet, and if you lie down with dogs you would end up with fleas.

Wait wait wait. When FG wanted to celebrate the black and tans not a month ago we were told we were being immature for thinking in history in black and white that our history was complicated. Now the same people that were saying this are saying it's all Shinners and IRA. Make up yer minds.

blanch152

Matt Barrett wrote: »

That's okay because it was to stick it to the shinners. Complete hypocrites desperately using victims to try justify a return to over seeing national crises.
If SF put a dissident in the Senate they'd sh*t.

Well, well, we’ll.

It seems Mary Lou was asked about Conor’s exact comments on 25th October on LMFM.

She dodged the answer.

So not only did she blow the opportunity to get out ahead of the issue in the election, but she lied this week when she said she couldn’t recall it.

No spin possible on this one. Sinn Fein are just nasty, hope people see through them.

mynamejeff

lol its like kicking a nest of shinnerbots

quokula

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Interestingly, in that same poll there are 2 questions asked with less than positive results for SF

What Coalition governments would you like to see ?

Only 21% of people expressed an interest in having SF in a Coalition, so not even all of the 25% that say they'll vote for them?
Not sure if that means that they only want SF to be in Government on their own , which can't happen given that they are not running enough candidates or if they'd prefer them to remain in opposition.

I'd expect it's more a case of a lack of knowledge of how our democratic system works from a portion of SF voters. Which isn't surprising given the lack of knowledge of economics or history they've already shown by supporting SF in the first place.

armaghlad

mynamejeff wrote: »

lol its like kicking a nest of shinnerbots

It’s like talking to Jim Allister

mynamejeff

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Pretty libelous stuff, but it's SF, so it's okay.

Sue away lads ,

the civil courts have hot been kind to good republicans where witness intimidation is of less use hasn't it ?

I seem to have upset the social media active service unit :pac::pac:

mynamejeff

armaghlad wrote: »

It’s like talking to Jim Allister

you think that because I don't like criminal terrorists republicans id have time for criminal terrorists unionists ?


I see your the least articulate of the team armaghlad

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

Sue away lads ,

the civil courts have hot been kind to good republicans where witness intimidation is of less use hasn't it ?

I seem to have upset the social media active service unit :pac::pac:

I think SF would be delighted with people like you canvassing for them.

A bit like how the IRA let Paisley rant away. Good PR for their cause.

James Brown

quokula wrote: »

I'd expect it's more a case of a lack of knowledge of how our democratic system works from a portion of SF voters. Which isn't surprising given the lack of knowledge of economics or history they've already shown by supporting SF in the first place.

Do you think this surge of support is 100% new/ignorant voters?
Also, how do you work out FF/FG going up and down in polls, people dying or getting ignorant, only to become enlightened, then ignorant?
What if it's ordinary people changing their minds based on issues?

FrancieBrady

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Interestingly, in that same poll there are 2 questions asked with less than positive results for SF

What Coalition governments would you like to see ?

Only 21% of people expressed an interest in having SF in a Coalition, so not even all of the 25% that say they'll vote for them?
Not sure if that means that they only want SF to be in Government on their own , which can't happen given that they are not running enough candidates or if they'd prefer them to remain in opposition.


46% would be happy with FF involved and 34% with FG - So both of them have support to be in government from people that say they wouldn't give them a 1st preference.

The other question was

What party do you NOT want to see in Government.

36% said SF , 32% said FG and 23% said FF


The answers to both of those question would suggest that for all their increased 1st preference support, SF still have a significant transfer problem.

No disagreement from me. Apart from alarm that only 23% don't want to see FF in Government.

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think SF would be delighted with people like you canvassing for them.

A bit like how the IRA let Paisley rant away. Good PR for their cause.

Im supposed to be Ian paisley now ? that weak

come on lads you can do better than that.

a hour of coherent argument and you boys are out of ideas ?

embarrassing

Beasty

Do not post any allegations/claims of criminal activity unless someone has been successfully prosecuted for the relevant crime

blanch152

mynamejeff wrote: »

you think that because I don't like criminal terrorists republicans id have time for criminal terrorists unionists ?


I see your the least articulate of the team armaghlad

They cannot understand that someone can equally dislike the DUP and SF, and that the only reason you are commenting on Sinn Fein is because they are running for election down here.

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

Im supposed to be Ian paisley now ? that weak

come on lads you can do better than that.

a hour of coherent argument and you boys are out of ideas ?

embarrassing

No, calm down there.

I said, your ranting about SF does the party more good than bad and that SF might like that.

Which is a 'bit like' the IRA being happy to let Ian Paisley rant away because it showed those outside what it was like to live under his kind.

James Brown

blanch152 wrote: »

They cannot understand that someone can equally dislike the DUP and SF, and that the only reason you are commenting on Sinn Fein is because they are running for election down here.

On that note, can people understand that people can favour SF based on policies they like? And that the only reason people (from all walks) are commenting on SF so much is because they are doing so well down here and not because they are card carrying Shinners, (not that there's anything wrong with it) or interested in or defending the IRA?

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No, calm down there.

I said, your ranting about SF does the party more good than bad and that SF might like that.

Which is a 'bit like' the IRA being happy to let Ian Paisley rant away because it showed those outside what it was like to live under his kind.

seems to have made a lot of you lads uncomfortable though , and your very unwilling to discuss any of the facts but that's nothing new

FrancieBrady

Forgive me for being a bit sensitive to conspiracy theories, but is RTE covering a PSNI press conference Live a bit unusual?

Has any other dissident attack...failed or successful - gotten a live press conference ?

Anyone know or remember?

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

seems to have made a lot of you lads uncomfortable though , and your very unwilling to discuss any of the facts but that's nothing new

I'm still here waiting for facts Jeff.

Which ones are SF covering up in relation to the Paul Quinn murder?

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Forgive me for being a bit sensitive to conspiracy theories, but is RTE covering a PSNI press conference Live a bit unusual?

Has any other dissident attack...failed or successful - gotten a live press conference ?

Anyone know or remember?

Omagh was big news , remember ?

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

Omagh was big news , remember ?

Ok, that was a huge and tragic event alright in...1998.

Any others you can remember? Maybe to make it easier, look up 'failed' ones. How many got 'live' press conferences tramsmitted?

jmayo

Greyfox wrote: »

As terrible as that is its still nothing compared to the billions wasted by FG/FF. Irish politics is in a bad place and it will continue to be that way if we keep forgiving FG and FF.

Ehh ever think of the billions wasted down through the years on security because of PIRAs campaign of violence and intimidation.
We had to have armed soldiers providing protection to money transfers throughout the country.
We had to have extra protection for politicians thanks to sinn fein's mates targeting Irish elected politicians.
We had industrialists and businessmen in Ireland targeted for kidnapping.
Hell they even took a horse FFS.

Ever think of the cost in lost jobs and revenue in parts of Ireland.

perrito caliente wrote: »

First time voting in this country and I'll be voting for Sin Fein. Country needs a socialist government and not one composed of crooks and goms.

Yeah the apologists for murderers and gun runners sound so much more appealing.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

I think individuals overlook how the troubles started. Catholic homes were torched every night in Belfast by Loyalist mobs and catholics young and old lived in fear for their lives. You couldn’t get a good job position as a catholic and the protestant police intimated the local catholic communities. Innocent Catholics marched for equal civil rights and got gunned down by British paratroopers in the street. If this happened in the south, young men would also take up arms to defend their people and their families!

You have righteous people chatting about the IRA history, but it was the IRA who blocked the loyalists from killing more Catholics in the North.  

Everyone deplores the past, but FG and FF need to get over it and stop using the past to slam SF every election. SF party is an Irish community party, they are not some strange people with ludicrous ideas, and totally clueless. SF candidates are generally university educated so they are not brainless about the wider world.

So care to remind us again what Jerry McCabe did to deserve being riddled with bullets ?
Or perhaps explain why John Morley or Henry Byrne were killed by republicans ?

Who were they downtrodding ?
How many catholics had they chased out of their homes ?

It is marvellous how fast sinn fein want to forget the past when it suits them.
Perhaps they should start forgetting about The Maze, Gibraltar, Finucane, Loughgall, etc.

Beasty wrote: »

Do not post any allegations/claims of criminal activity unless someone has been successfully prosecuted for the relevant crime

Would you mind sending that over to SF HQ?

gormdubhgorm

armaghlad wrote: »

SDLP and Alliance also support an Irish language act, something that was included in St Andrews agreement and was resisted and continues to be resisted by xenophobic Ulster unionists. So slide on there son

Come on it is all lip service. Here we are conversing in the foreign tongue?
How much Irish do you have? How much Irish does Michelle O'Neill have.
I believe a nation is not a nation without a language as Pearse said but Irish people are hypocritical most do not speak Irish regularly. It was clear game SF were playing.

It is just another in the line of major failures of SF -
Failure to a UI
Failure to properly revive the Irish language - which is not done by acts on paper - it can be done far more practically if there is the will.
SF also failed to stop brexit - refusal to take seats in WM

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Forgive me for being a bit sensitive to conspiracy theories, but is RTE covering a PSNI press conference Live a bit unusual?

Has any other dissident attack...failed or successful - gotten a live press conference ?

Anyone know or remember?

Well considering the fact that Mary Lou mentioned today (PK interview NT) that Michelle O'Neill will be attending a PSNI event with the DUP I do not see it as unusual no.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Well considering the fact that Mary Lou mentioned today (PK interview NT) that Michelle O'Neill will be attending a PSNI event with the DUP I do not see it as unusual no.

If it is not 'unusual', then you surely can point to another failed dissident attack that warranted RTE going live to the press conference.