People like SF candidates but won't vote for SF

mynamejeff

Beasty wrote: »

Do not post any allegations/claims of criminal activity unless someone has been successfully prosecuted for the relevant crime

just for clarity

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-defends-criminals-in-general-election-campaign-team-34315754.html


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ira-now-made-up-of-criminals-who-never-fought-the-british-but-line-their-own-pockets-34315771.html

from previous election but clearly demonstrates the link that so many are confused about

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If it is not 'unusual', then you surely can point to another failed dissident attack that warranted RTE going live to the press conference.

It is not FF/FG/Labour's fault that SF are associated with militant republicanism and being a political wing of a recent armed struggle?

That is because FF/FG/Labour etc are normal political parties without the baggage.

It is just unfortunate for SF that they have yet to shed the baggage so people like you will view things as a conspiracy theory. But the middle ground voter does not trust them to be in power. I think Pat Kenny said it was 32% no to SF in power this morning.

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

just for clarity

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-defends-criminals-in-general-election-campaign-team-34315754.html


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ira-now-made-up-of-criminals-who-never-fought-the-british-but-line-their-own-pockets-34315771.html

from previous election but clearly demonstrates the link that so many are confused about

Who exactly is confused about the fact that former members of the IRA convicted of offences are now members of SF.

Did you miss what the whole GFA was about? What your government negotiated, agreed to and signed?

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not FF/FG/Labour's fault that SF are associated with militant republicanism and being a political wing of a recent armed struggle?

That is because FF/FG/Labour etc are normal political parties without the baggage.

It is just unfortunate for SF that they have yet to shed the baggage so people like you will view things as a conspiracy theory. But the middle ground voter does not trust them to be in power. I think Pat Kenny said it was 32% no to SF in power this morning.

You said it was not 'unusual'.

You haven't shown in the slightest that it is 'usual', have you?

mynamejeff

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who exactly is confused about the fact that former members of the IRA convicted of offences are now members of SF.

Did you miss what the whole GFA was about? What your government negotiated, agreed to and signed?

didn't read them then no ?

didn't think you would need to

FrancieBrady

mynamejeff wrote: »

didn't read them then no ?

didn't think you would need to

What are you on about now?

Beasty

mynamejeff wrote: »

just for clarity

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/sinn-fein-defends-criminals-in-general-election-campaign-team-34315754.html


https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/ira-now-made-up-of-criminals-who-never-fought-the-british-but-line-their-own-pockets-34315771.html

from previous election but clearly demonstrates the link that so many are confused about

Do not post in this thread again

James Brown

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not FF/FG/Labour's fault that SF are associated with militant republicanism and being a political wing of a recent armed struggle?

That is because FF/FG/Labour etc are normal political parties without the baggage.

It is just unfortunate for SF that they have yet to shed the baggage so people like you will view things as a conspiracy theory. But the middle ground voter does not trust them to be in power. I think Pat Kenny said it was 32% no to SF in power this morning.

All true.
SF cant shed who they were and nor should they if they stand by their actions at the time.
The good news is more and more people seem to be looking at the current problems facing the country in this election.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You said it was not 'unusual'.

You haven't shown in the slightest that it is 'usual', have you?

It would be unusual for the ROI but it would be fairly par for the course for NI.
Hence the dichotomy SF have to traverse...

jimmycrackcorm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

All true.
SF cant shed who they were and nor should they if they stand by their actions at the time.
The good news is more and more people seem to be looking at the current problems facing the country in this election.

Yes people want a change to deal with the problems. But it's exactly like the UK experiencing austerity, blaming it on the EU and voting for Brexit to get a change.

SF aren't going to fix housing nor health as both require radical changes rather than throwing money at them.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It would be unusual for the ROI but it would be fairly par for the course for NI.
Hence the dichotomy SF have to traverse...

'When' gormdubh?

If you say it is not 'unusual' for RTE to broadcast LIVE PSNI press conferences about failed dissident attacks, then you must know when it was 'usual'.

jimmycrackcorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The only 'bloc' who won't vote for SF in majority numbers is the 50-64 yr old one.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/poll

This bloc isn't affected by the housing crisis as they are already housed and many well be in jobs in higher pay segments from years of promotions or pay scale increases.

This bloc also is probably the ones 100% behind nimby objections to any housing developments

FrancieBrady

Pinch of salt time again, but An Poblacht tweeting they have an email showing FF got advance notice of Prime Time questions.

https://twitter.com/An_Phoblacht/status/1225470005803995142

blanch152

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pinch of salt time again, but An Poblacht tweeting they have an email showing FF got advance notice of Prime Time questions.

https://twitter.com/An_Phoblacht/status/1225470005803995142

Pinch of salt?

More like the total amount stored by local authorities for winter gritting.

If it’s in An Phravda, it must be a lie.

FrancieBrady

blanch152 wrote: »

Pinch of salt?

More like the total amount stored by local authorities for winter gritting.

If it’s in An Phravda, it must be a lie.

Just telling it like it is, as they say!

It's out there in the public domain, make of it what you will.

James Brown

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Yes people want a change to deal with the problems. But it's exactly like the UK experiencing austerity, blaming it on the EU and voting for Brexit to get a change.

SF aren't going to fix housing nor health as both require radical changes rather than throwing money at them.

I think blaming FG is pretty legit.
Building isn't throwing money, leasing for 25 years and hotels is exactly that.
Also throwing money at health is what FF/FG do.

smurgen

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think blaming FG is pretty legit.
Building isn't throwing money, leasing for 25 years and hotels is exactly that.
Also throwing money at health is what FF/FG do.

Building gives our country a tangible asset leasing doesn't.ask yourself what's cheaper buying your own house or renting a house? Well the answer is the same for a government as it is for a private individual.

Bishop of hope

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think blaming FG is pretty legit.
Building isn't throwing money, leasing for 25 years and hotels is exactly that.
Also throwing money at health is what FF/FG do.

From the sinn fein manifesto.

"Sinn Féin priorities in government would include:

Increase spending on healthcare by €3.3 billion to move from a failing, two tier health system to universal healthcare" .

McMurphy

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Pinch of salt time again, but An Poblacht tweeting they have an email showing FF got advance notice of Prime Time questions.

https://twitter.com/An_Phoblacht/status/1225470005803995142

I seen it tweeted on Tues morning that it wouldn't be surprising if M.M was briefed on the questions at that stage.

SantaCruz

smurgen wrote: »

Building gives our country a tangible asset leasing doesn't.ask yourself what's cheaper buying your own house or renting a house? Well the answer is the same for a government as it is for a private individual.

The answer is 'it depends'. Sometimes renting is cheaper.

And a further level of complexity is that sometimes you need somewhere to live right now but can't afford to build.

flutered

SantaCruz wrote: »

The answer is 'it depends'. Sometimes renting is cheaper.

And a further level of complexity is that sometimes you need somewhere to live right now but can't afford to build.

does a renting contract of 25 years make any sense

flutered

mynamejeff wrote: »

bit obscure but ok

he should be f8&ked out too and anyone with a criminal record should be disbarred from running for office IMO

you know thugs , gun runners terrorists etc

back in the day td's ran guns across the border, check it out

blanch152

Bishop of hope wrote: »

From the sinn fein manifesto.

"Sinn Féin priorities in government would include:

Increase spending on healthcare by €3.3 billion to move from a failing, two tier health system to universal healthcare" .

Ah come on, you know by now that Matt doesn’t do facts.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'When' gormdubh?

If you say it is not 'unusual' for RTE to broadcast LIVE PSNI press conferences about failed dissident attacks, then you must know when it was 'usual'.

It is clear that this type of undercurrent is usual for NI. Why it was broadcast was because of the unusual motive behind it - it was planned to happen on the same day of Brexit. A Brexit which ironically could have been prevented or at least stalled/changed if SF took thier seats in WM.

It is not the first RTE has reported on dissident activities -

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2017/0921/906471-brian-walsh-darren-poleon-court/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0404/1040725-dissident-republicans/

Also the Mayor of Derry held a press conference when Lyra McKee was shot dead, this was also reported by RTE

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0419/1043593-lyra-mckee-political-reaction/

You are looking for conspiracies where there are none, it is not a plot against SF it is the world that SF are associated with. Simple as that.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is clear that this type of undercurrent is usual for NI. Why it was broadcast was because of the unusual motive behind it - it was planned to happen on the same day of Brexit. A Brexit which ironically could have been prevented or at least stalled/changed if SF took thier seats in WM.

It is not the first RTE has reported on dissident activities -

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2017/0921/906471-brian-walsh-darren-poleon-court/

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2019/0404/1040725-dissident-republicans/

Also the Mayor of Derry held a press conference when Lyra McKee was shot this was also reported by RTE

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0419/1043593-lyra-mckee-political-reaction/

You are looking for conspiracies where there are none it is not a plot against SF it is the world that SF are associated with.

WTF?

Do you know what a special live standalone broadcast of a police conference is?

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

WTF?

Do you know what a special live standalone broadcast of a police conference is?

It was done because it showed the great work the PSNI are doing, the dangers caused by Brexit in potentially reigniting a new troubles.
This is the same PSNI who are supported by Mary Lou and Michelle.

PSNI Press conference discussing the dangers Brexit poses 13th July 2019

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0713/1061902-peace-process/

PSNI press conference for Lyra McKee 19th April 2019

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0419/1043543-new-ira-northern-ireland/

It seems that you are inferring that all PSNI press conferences are planned and reported on in order to damage SF?
Clearly this is not true. I think you believe deep down that SF are guilty by association because of thier paramilitary past. And such press conferences cause unease among those in the ROI. The fact there is an election on means that SF, and SF supporters like yourself have heightened awareness of anything that can break the veneer that SF is a normal democratic party.

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It was done because it showed the great work the PSNI are doing, the dangers caused by Brexit in potentially reigniting a new troubles.
This is the same PSNI who are supported by Mary Lou and Michelle.

PSNI Press conference discussing the dangers Brexit poses 13th July 2019

https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0713/1061902-peace-process/

PSNI press conference for Lyra McKee 19th April 2019

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0419/1043543-new-ira-northern-ireland/

It seems that you are inferring that all PSNI press conferences are planned and reported on in order to damage SF?
Clearly this is not true. I think you believe deep down that SF are guilty by association because of thier paramilitary past. And such press conferences cause unease among those in the ROI. The fact there is an election on means that SF, and SF supporters like yourself have heightened awareness of anything that can break the veneer that SF is a normal democratic party.

What is the matter with you?

I know the PSNI give press conferences. I asked was it usual for RTE to cover them live.

You said it was not 'unusual' and all you have done is show me press reports???

James Brown

SantaCruz wrote: »

The answer is 'it depends'. Sometimes renting is cheaper.

And a further level of complexity is that sometimes you need somewhere to live right now but can't afford to build.

That didn't wash several years ago and it certainly doesn't now.
Emergency measures like hotels and buying to use as social housing is the norm now.
Building en masse is cheaper than leasing, renting or buying.
They can get the money when it suits and its cheaper, just less profit and less business for chums of FG.
How can anybody justify buying houses at market over building? It's not a good deal for the tax payer, others for sure.

gormdubhgorm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What is the matter with you?

I know the PSNI give press conferences. I asked was it usual for RTE to cover them live.

You said it was not 'unusual' and all you have done is show me press reports???

I have shown you press conference reports from the PSNI where RTE covered them live.
I also said such an undercurrent of para-militarism is not unusual in NI

FrancieBrady

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

I have shown you press conference reports from the PSNI where RTE covered them live.

Can you prove they showed them live? I didn't see any of them, and there'd be radio and telly on here 24/7.


You have made a statement and you have no back-up. Fair enough.