National Broadband Ireland : implementation and progress

fman

Nbi survey around Collinstown, Westmeath today.

BandMember

KOR101 wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/once-more-unto-the-breach-why-ireland-may-get-a-second-national-broadband-plan-contest-in-2025-39819939.html

Jayz lads, let's get this one finished and out of the way first before we start concentrating on the second one!

Always going to happen though - eir did a smash and grab with a FTTC roll out which put a lot of homes over the 30 limit but under (and mostly well under) the 100 limit. They've no interest in doing FTTH in these places or they would have done it already. So, NBP 4 (???) it'll be!

eagle eye

We had polls put up in June for fibre optic broadband. I spoke to one of the lads and he told me we should have it in two months. Roll on August and they are back and I'm told to get on to my provider in three weeks. Still no sign of it.

joe123

A councilor in Galway had a Facebook post up today giving out about traffic delays along the N84 and saying people had been in touch.

And yes, he was giving out after he found out the that the delays were due to NBI works and was asking why they had to do it during December and they didnt go through the proper channels etc.

I saw it and immediately thought, this is some of the reason why ****e gets delayed for daft reasons.

eagle eye

joe123 wrote:

And yes, he was giving out after he found out the that the delays were due to NBI works and was asking why they had to do it during December and they didnt go through the proper channels etc.

Sounds like using up the budget.

fennor72

fman wrote:

Nbi survey around Collinstown, Westmeath today.

I hate to tell you, but I'm about 4 miles from Collinstown village, I'm was surveyed in April and still have no connection date

clohamon

fennor72 wrote: »

I hate to tell you, but I'm about 4 miles from Collinstown village, I'm was surveyed in April and still have no connection date

If it's Crookedwood it looks like it's in the Mullingar DA (due August 2021 – October 2021). Whereas Collinstown looks like it's in the Delvin DA.
https://www.westmeathindependent.ie/2020/06/09/11000-local-premises-have-no-broadband/.

fennor72

clohamon wrote:

). Whereas Collinstown looks like it's in the Delvin DA.

It's in the Delvin DA looks like I'll be chasing 3 for 5g coverage instead

clohamon

More information on the way apparently.
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2020-12-02/39/?highlight%5B0%5D=broadband

I am aware that concerns have been raised regarding the level of information available on the deployment of the NBI network and I am advised that NBI is working to publish more detail on the deployment programme on its website, with a rolling update on network build plans. This will ensure that the most up to date information for specific areas is being provided by NBI and is available and easily accessible by all.

NBAiii

There have been a couple of press release in the past few days, one from NBI and one from DECC. NBI are claiming to have already connected some trial premises in Carrigaline.

https://nbi.ie/news/latest/2020/12/02/national-broadband-plan-progress-update/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ba41f-significant-progress-on-the-national-broadband-plan/

NBAiii

clohamon wrote: »

More information on the way apparently.
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/question/2020-12-02/39/?highlight%5B0%5D=broadband

I presumed what was published last week on https://nbi.ie/rollout-plan/ was the "rolling update". I can't see them committing themselves to targets years in the future, especially since they all have been redacted in the contract.

fergus1001

NBAiii wrote:

I presumed what was published last week on

and what I gleam from that is anything not mentioned on that is post 2022

clohamon

NBAiii wrote: »

I presumed what was published last week on https://nbi.ie/rollout-plan/ was the "rolling update". I can't see them committing themselves to targets years in the future, especially since they all have been redacted in the contract.

I'd guess they have a plan at least. What they mean by "more detail" is hard to know. Eamonn Ryan seemed to know which areas were included in year six and seven when he was talking about reducing the schedule to five years.

Whatever about NBI, DECC's fondness for redaction is legendary.

Jpmarn

There is some ducting work ongoing near my home for NBI in the Ballysimon and Caherconlish areas of Co. limerick. They were putting in piping into the underground ducts for fibre cables. There is already OpenEir fibre in my area including my house. But it will be a benefit for a share of my neighbours that don’t have access to fibre. Rollout is due to be completed by May to July 21 in my area according to the NBI website. There will be a second fibre cable going up on the telephone poles passing my house by late spring.

The Cush

Jpmarn wrote: »

There is some ducting work ongoing near my home for NBI in the Ballysimon and Caherconlish areas of Co. limerick. They were putting in piping into the underground ducts for fibre cables. There is already OpenEir fibre in my area including my house. But it will be a benefit for a share of my neighbours that don’t have access to fibre. Rollout is due to be completed by May to July 21 in my area according to the NBI website. There will be a second fibre cable going up on the telephone poles passing my house by late spring.

Boher area/N24, I posted this a few weeks ago - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115367091

and this this week - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115498425#post115498425

kaizersoze

After a fortnight of civils and sub duct, fibre was pulled into the Derrymullen area of Ballinasloe today.
Lots of crews still around and a lot of areas covered.

NBAiii

There is no cable in that image, they are both duct.

The Cush

NBAiii wrote: »

There have been a couple of press release in the past few days, one from NBI and one from DECC. NBI are claiming to have already connected some trial premises in Carrigaline.

https://nbi.ie/news/latest/2020/12/02/national-broadband-plan-progress-update/
https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ba41f-significant-progress-on-the-national-broadband-plan/

Also Peter Hendrick in Adrian Weckler's podcast last week, said they had done some pilot connections

... and then we have the active Nokia equipment in each of the local exchanges, it's all up and running, we've tested it, we've done some pilot connections ...

https://soundcloud.com/the-big-tech-show/an-in-depth-interview-with-nbp-ceo-peter-hendrick

Cork981

NBAiii wrote: »

There is no cable in that image, they are both duct.

The black cable is fibre optic cable, its printed on the cable.

The Cush

Cork981 wrote: »

The black cable is fibre optic cable, its printed on the cable.

It's Miniglide tube made by Radius Systems, they also supply eir and SIRO

http://www.radiustelecoms.com/products/fttx-microtubing-systems/miniglide-microtubing/

Nonoperational

NBAiii wrote: »

There have been a couple of press release in the past few days, one from NBI and one from DECC. NBI are claiming to have already connected some trial premises in Carrigaline.

https://nbi.ie/news/latest/2020/12/02/national-broadband-plan-progress-update/

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/ba41f-significant-progress-on-the-national-broadband-plan/

Always find it annoying when companies themselves don't know the difference between MB and Mbit.

TimHorton

Nonoperational wrote: »

Always find it annoying when companies themselves don't know the difference between MB and Mbit.

Who cares, Everyone knows what he means, Only morons like you comment on such things,

Standard Toaster

TimHorton wrote: »

Who cares, Everyone knows what he means, Only morons like you comment on such things,

Sit down with a nice cup of tea Tim.

wexfordman2

NBAiii wrote: »

I presumed what was published last week on https://nbi.ie/rollout-plan/ was the "rolling update". I can't see them committing themselves to targets years in the future, especially since they all have been redacted in the contract.

The thing is how big is each area listed, or, what size of an area does carrigaline cover. Are NBI referring to a geographic area of carrigaline, or the areas and townlands the carrigaline poi is connecting (eg, carrigaline is feeding Midleton).

Was it mentioned earlier that they would complete an entire area before moving on, or are they gonna partially do areas and come back again


It seems to me, they are picking high density areas and targeting those first ?

clohamon

wexfordman2 wrote: »

The thing is how big is each area listed, or, what size of an area does carrigaline cover. Are NBI referring to a geographic area of carrigaline, or the areas and townlands the carrigaline poi is connecting (eg, carrigaline is feeding Midleton).

Was it mentioned earlier that they would complete an entire area before moving on, or are they gonna partially do areas and come back again


It seems to me, they are picking high density areas and targeting those first ?

Midleton is a separate deployment area (DA)- East of the Lee. Roll-out areas (RA), i.e. connections, may include several deployment areas.
Sean Sherlock got this - possibly misleading - answer in the Dáil recently.
https://www.kildarestreet.com/wrans/?id=2020-12-02a.55

fergus1001 posted about survey work in Midleton DA here.
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114798774&postcount=1122

Published activity is here in blue dots.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1h1fSHXa6-cHDuEvBb52AupxYBQnNRtbq&ll=51.94149117684967%2C-8.248435145797373&z=10

NB. some dots are on top of one another so you may need to download the map and look at the data table to work out which is the most recent.

kaizersoze

NBAiii wrote: »

There is no cable in that image, they are both duct.

You're right. That's what I get for walking the dog at 10.30 in the dark......:pac:

It was definitely pulled in yesterday a week or more after the sub duct.

NBAiii

Cork981 wrote: »

The black cable is fibre optic cable, its printed on the cable.

No. As The Cush says it is Radius tube 14/10mm so 14mm OD and 10mm ID. The "fibre optic cable" stamping is just an identifier in case anyone digs it up.

wexfordman2 wrote: »

The thing is how big is each area listed, or, what size of an area does carrigaline cover. Are NBI referring to a geographic area of carrigaline, or the areas and townlands the carrigaline poi is connecting (eg, carrigaline is feeding Midleton).

Was it mentioned earlier that they would complete an entire area before moving on, or are they gonna partially do areas and come back again


It seems to me, they are picking high density areas and targeting those first ?

Because they have chosen to use enet MAN infrastructure it is unavoidable that they have to begin building in larger regional locations.

The deployment areas are large, much larger than the rural eir exchange areas that were used for the 340K rollout. If I recall the largest rural eir exchange area was just over 1000 premises. NBI's are three or four times that.

I haven't seen an exact map of Carrigaline but from what I can infer the area comprises of locations south of Cork city so Passage West, Crosshaven down to Reanieshouse, Ballyfeard, Ballinphelic to the west.

It may be larger than that but I'd be confident enough of those. Midleton, as stated, is a separate OLT.

I assume they will complete a full area as that will trigger a payment under the contract.

kaizersoze wrote: »

You're right. That's what I get for walking the dog at 10.30 in the dark......:pac:

It was definitely pulled in yesterday a week or more after the sub duct.

No problem. I'm sure the cable isn't far behind. I appreciate the time you take to get the photos. Keep them coming. It is good to see tangible progress.

mun1

What we are seeing is mainly fibre pre works.
This type of work (duct clearance , tree cutting , sub ducting , pole changing)can be unquantified and time consuming thus can be problematic and costly to progress.
The easy bit is running and splicing the fibre .
Sub ducting like in the pictures here can be in pace for a year before fibre appears .
Using the Enet mans network for backhaul/feeder runs is going to be costly and time consuming . The other (seemingly less costly ) option of renting eir fibre cores and spidering out from there was presumably too costly, and would lead to a new set of issues trying to deal with eir, which wouldn’t end well.

Orebro

If you were appearing within a rollout area but near the edge on the above google map where the rollout is actively happening, but haven't been surveyed yet, does that mean you are not going to be in that rollout phase? There are houses marked as available by March 2021 only a couple of Kms away from me. Weird thing too is there are some houses on one side of road saying survey pending and houses literally across the road marked as available March 2021!

TheSegal

NBAiii wrote: »

There is no cable in that image, they are both duct.

What is the white cable used for if the black one is the duct for fiber cable? Just interested in learning about the different parts of the rollout process and you seem very knowledgeable about the different parts