GE20: What important policies/topics are being ignored by all parties?

road_high

The massive welfare state and migration which is pouring petrol on that fire. We can afford neither at current levels.
It’s very sad how an honest days work is not longer respected in Irish society

LeinsterDub

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And how hard and costly would it be to retrospectively do it to existing cities and towns? Would it even be wise with electric cars here already?

Less costly than the cost of cars. Electric cars do nothing for congestion, micro plastics , health or creating liveable towns

Idbatterim

LeinsterDub wrote: »

We know for sure FF/FG won't so what it takes. Why not give someone new a chance to disappoint us.

If they start redesigning the wheel it could delay things even further. Then say they lose power , what stops them ripping up the current plans ? It’s why I think sticking with what we have , makes sense for that reason. Good luck to fg trying to scrap Dublin metro unless there is a bust. Ff are already talking about it. Scrapping a scheme with years of planning gone into it ! To redesign the wheel !

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Less costly than the cost of cars. Electric cars do nothing for congestion, micro plastics , health or creating liveable towns

Do you reckon public transport should be the only way to get around?

LeinsterDub

Idbatterim wrote: »

If they start redesigning the wheel it could delay things even further. Then say they lose power , what stops them ripping up the current plans ? It’s why I think sticking with what we have , makes sense for that reason. Good luck to fg trying to scrap Dublin metro unless there is a bust. Ff are already talking about it. Scrapping a scheme with years of planning gone into it ! To redesign the wheel !

There is a certain logic to that in fairness .

quokula

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Less costly than the cost of cars. Electric cars do nothing for congestion, micro plastics , health or creating liveable towns

Electric cars and cleaner air do lots for health. Not that we shouldn't be investing in public transport because we absolutely should, but replacing polluting cars with non polluting ones is also a worthwhile goal.

LeinsterDub

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Do you reckon public transport should be the only way to get around?

Yeah and anyone with a car should be rounded up and shot , them and their children and their children's children :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Has anyone anywhere with even a modicum authority suggested that public transport should be the only way to get around?

LeinsterDub

quokula wrote: »

Electric cars and cleaner air do lots for health. Not that we shouldn't be investing in public transport because we absolutely should, but replacing polluting cars with non polluting ones is also a worthwhile goal.

We should be replacing polluting cars with not cars as our first port of call. Where that isn't feasible then yes replacing polluting cars with non polluting ones

marieholmfan

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And how hard and costly would it be to retrospectively do it to existing cities and towns? Would it even be wise with electric cars here already?

Would it not be better to put limits on migration since our population is stable without it. Otherwise all infrastructure projects will be a never ending game of catch up. In the case of walkable cities we just end up in smaller and smaller homes as the population increases. Might be bearable for some but think ahead for your kids or grandkids generation.

Is it worth turning Ireland into some lesser version of Hong Kong in a couple of generations?

Hard problems are why we need governments.
I don't quite get the rest of the post about immigration.

Certainly I wouldn't like the issue of walkable towns (which encourage kids to be outside and people to shop local) linked with immigration.
Even if there is something to what you say.

blackwhite

LeinsterDub wrote: »

PBP, Greens and SocDems are strong on PT. Surely one of these would be less terrible for you than FF/FG

The Greens record on PT is dubious - given Ryan's actions around Dublin Metro. Their policies make all of the right noises - but then some of their actions run contrary to the policies.

PBP's policies are to nationalise everything, jack up the costs of providing the services, and to spunk money on white elephants like the Western Rail Corridor instead of looking at proper sustainable planning. They prioritise pushing a Trotskyite ideology above having a functioning or efficient public transport system. Nothing in their policies suggest they'd improve anything - just massively increase the cost to the State.

SocDems policies look to be the strongest on PT infrastructure - but quite similar to the Govt's published Ireland 2040 plans.


Neither FG or FF have published anything substantial on PT in the current campaign. If FG commit to following through on the PT elements of Ireland 2040 then it would be a decent platform - but the caving in on Dublin Metro south of Stephen's Green would leave me with major doubts.

FF's noises about Bus Connects and Metro seem to signal that they'll put short-term populism and pandering to the NIMBYs ahead of the long-term good.

LeinsterDub

blackwhite wrote: »

but the caving in on Dublin Metro south of Stephen's Green would leave me with major doubts.

In fairness to FG/the NTA the discovery of the sewer under the canal was the primary reason for the delay on MS

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

Yeah and anyone with a car should be rounded up and shot , them and their children and their children's children :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Has anyone anywhere with even a modicum authority suggested that public transport should be the only way to get around?

In which case any public transport solutions will also become congested without addressing the endless growth fallacy. Migration should be number 1 otherwise the best laid plans are doomed to failure

LeinsterDub

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In which case any public transport solutions will also become congested without addressing the endless growth fallacy. Migration should be number 1 otherwise the best laid plans are doomed to failure

There is a middle ground between all journeys by PT and no journeys by PT

LeinsterDub

LeinsterDub wrote: »

There is a middle ground between all journeys by PT and no journeys by PT

Absolutely but we're chasing our tail without addressing mass migration. Capacity will otherwise always max out. Where does it end?

4068ac1elhodqr

Skilled 'normal' EU migration is fine, great actually.

However the future (post-brexit) Europe will strongly feature 'unskilled illegal economic non-eu' (but via the eu) mass migration.

The double whammy here is growing black market (untaxable) for such things, also this unskilled labour will be replaced by automation & robotics.
The digital traceable cashless RFID future will collapse the current black market, leading the nail bar staff and carwashers directly to crime.

WrenBoy

People are having smaller families or no children due to financial constraints or career decisions has a negative effect on our future state pension scheme. Why not work to make lives easier for Irish people to have a/bigger families if they want and a career to alleviate the pension issue rather than bringing in unskilled migrants to make up the numbers ? Not a topic I ever here discussed by politicians.

marieholmfan

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Absolutely but we're chasing our tail without addressing mass migration. Capacity will otherwise always max out. Where does it end?

Give it a rest. Someone talks about cycling and you bring up immigration - for ****s sake.

Fr_Dougal

WrenBoy wrote: »

People are having smaller families or no children due to financial constraints or career decisions has a negative effect on our future state pension scheme. Why not work to make lives easier for Irish people to have a/bigger families if they want and a career to alleviate the pension issue rather than bringing in unskilled migrants to make up the numbers ? Not a topic I ever here discussed by politicians.

With job automation, how will having larger families solve the pension issue? If anything it will put further pressure on the system.

marieholmfan

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

With job automation, how will having larger families solve the pension issue? If anything it will put further pressure on the system.

It's worth it in its own right. More Irish people after the English nearly wiped us out!

marieholmfan

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The only thing what could be remotely be described as mass migration is that of fellow European citizens. The only way to address that is Irexit. If irexit happens it's emigrating you'll be thinking about not immigration

I'm not sure:
There seems to be an enormous number of Indians around:


https://www.irishjobs.ie/Jobs/Data-Analyst-8428846.aspx

Yurt2

Immigration is probably a fairly large issue in the back of many people's minds, but we know what happens when it is raised in public fora. It would be refreshing to hear one of the main parties articulate a tough-but fair immigration policy that would set the public at ease. Ireland will always experience immigration, and a certain level of immigration and certain types (not referring to nationality here) of immigrant is desireable. I'm not interested in a policy that goes soft on overstayers that work in the black or grey-economy.

The nettle of overstayers needs to be grasped eventually. The asylum process needs to be thoroughly overhauled, with all the appeal steps to be done and dusted after 6-9 months and an exit order issued and enforced for failed asylum seekers. No ifs, no buts.

4068ac1elhodqr

LeinsterDub wrote: »

The only thing what could be remotely be described as mass migration is that of fellow European citizens. The only way to address that is Irexit. If irexit happens it's emigrating you'll be thinking about not immigration

That's only partly true, e.g. Yes, the EU2 (Romanias/Bulgarians) in Britian have overtaken the (many generations) of fairly large or natural (neighbourly) volumes of Irish, with shared culture, and all within a few very short years.

In 2015 Germany invited in 1m+ (unconditionally) to the EU without consultation.
2016 the UK asked to leave.

Currently Turkey is asking for EU cash, else they'll unlease another 2-3m into Europe, who'll most likely head to the NW regions such as Sweden with their generous welfare system. The UK will no longer be an option, so Ireland might become a more attractive option.

hmmm

Taxpayers. The parties seem to be falling over themselves to outspend each other. The SF proposal to reduce the pension age in particular was absolute stupidity, it was one of the few long-term issues we were beginning to properly address.

WrenBoy

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

With job automation, how will having larger families solve the pension issue? If anything it will put further pressure on the system.

Well I'm constantly hearing that we need more people coming in to bolster the pension we will have to pay out to an ageing population due to lower birth rates. I agree there will be less jobs available to unskilled labourers in future.

marieholmfan

hmmm wrote: »

Taxpayers. The parties seem to be falling over themselves to outspend each other. The SF proposal to reduce the pension age in particular was absolute stupidity, it was one of the few long-term issues we were beginning to properly address.

We need to cut the rate on normal people and hammer those earning over €200,000.

Ronin247

Traveller crime. Massive issue across the country. There are many decent, hardworking travellers throughout the country but the amount of travellers involved in drugs, burglary and general sh1thousery is astronomical. Open any local court section of a newspaper and it is full of cases with recognisable names.
Allegedly the statistics show that up to 75% of male travellers over 22 have a criminal record.... why is no political party talking about this.
Old people living in fear of the gangs of robbers coming out of the halting sites of Dublin.
Not just no policy, but no mention of it at all.
No doubt Pavee point will be on to call me a racist soon.

marieholmfan

I suspect that there are large areas of the country where all property crime is committed by travellers.

Ronin247 wrote: »

Traveller crime. Massive issue across the country. There are many decent, hardworking travellers throughout the country but the amount of travellers involved in drugs, burglary and general sh1thousery is astronomical. Open any local court section of a newspaper and it is full of cases with recognisable names.
Allegedly the statistics show that up to 75% of male travellers over 22 have a criminal record.... why is no political party talking about this.
Old people living in fear of the gangs of robbers coming out of the halting sites of Dublin.
Not just no policy, but no mention of it at all.
No doubt Pavee point will be on to call me a racist soon.

4068ac1elhodqr

WrenBoy wrote: »

Well I'm constantly hearing that we need more people coming in to bolster the pension we will have to pay out to an ageing population due to lower birth rates. I agree there will be less jobs available to unskilled labourers in future.

That was true during some of the booms of the 1980's or 90's.
Labourers or factory workers, anyone, of any skill level were needed.

The future will be very bleak for the unskilled, young men, without skills or (degree level) education that aren't highly fluent in their new host nation, they will suffer the most.
About 50% of these will be 'redundant human assets' by 2030, in the western world.

ghost of ireland past

The Minister for Justice is constantly undermining the court system by reversing their considered decisions.

This is no different from Trump and his pardons for criminals.

We should bring in a Social Credit System, like China. No scumbags then.

marieholmfan

ghost of ireland past wrote: »

The Minister for Justice is constantly undermining the court system by reversing their considered decisions.

This is no different from Trump and his pardons for criminals.

We should bring in a Social Credit System, like China. No scumbags then.

Great idea!