new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

silverharp

Duke of Url wrote: »

Why do the US want to send the CDC in?

Whats the US reputation on Whistleblowers?

All I know is the Chinese banked on covering this up and that it would just go away. They bet wrong, they aint in a place to lecture anybody

hmmm

Mr.Wemmick wrote: »

Well, going by the banned video that was being passed about FB of Senator Tom Cotton whipping up fear with his barrage of hate against the Chinese, no wonder they don't want them. I'd tell them to sod off too.

The WHO is the international body and they have been in contact since the start.

Plenty of other nations have excellent scientists in this area (France, Russia, Swiss etc) and they don't assume they will all get invites to visit.

The US has done nothing to get an invite, they just assumed they'd be allowed in. That might have worked in an Obama government, but the Chinese couldn't care less about doing Trump a favour.

Duke of Url

silverharp wrote: »

All I know is the Chinese banked on covering this up and that it would just go away. They bet wrong, they aint in a place to lecture anybody

They are not lecturing anyone.

Do you know about how the US treat Whistleblowers?

Yes or No?

Or we ignore that and only focus on China?

Mr.Wemmick

hmmm wrote: »

The WHO is the international body and they have been in contact since the start.

Plenty of other nations have excellent scientists in this area (France, Russia, Swiss etc) and they don't assume they will all get invites to visit.

The US has done nothing to get an invite, they just assumed they'd be allowed in. That might have worked in an Obama government, but the Chinese couldn't care less about doing Trump a favour.

Exactly. When I was sent the vid by a worried friend, I pointed out that Tom hateful Cotton is a trump man and the corona virus is a gift to that shower of fear creators and war lovers.

I will wait for the WHO, scientists and specialist medics for my info. FB/social media is incredibly dangerous at times.

bodhrandude

8 more cases in Japan, not from the cruise ship. You will need to use Google Translate.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200214/amp/k10012286501000.html

fritzelly

First case in Egypt - if it spreads there it will be bad for them

Shivering, puking, gushing, bone pains, rapidly rising temperature, headache... a sea of misery now although I can type this between episodes... if I hadn’t taken that oral vaccine this morning I’d be getting worried.

circadian

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Shivering, puking, gushing, bone pains, rapidly rising temperature, headache... a sea of misery now although I can type this between episodes... if I hadn’t taken that oral vaccine this morning I’d be getting worried.

I hate some of those meds but like you say it's better than getting the real deal. Malaria meds usually send me into a paranoid delusion for about a week.

I've had a banging head cold all week and there's a part of my subconscious saying "you got it bro, game over" no fever so I'm good.

Duke of Url

Deleted User wrote: »

Shivering, puking, gushing, bone pains, rapidly rising temperature, headache... a sea of misery now although I can type this between episodes... if I hadn’t taken that oral vaccine this morning I’d be getting worried.

bodhrandude

A strange article I came across yesterday about a Coronavirus that affects dogs in Australia, although I don't think its related to Covid-19.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/1242114/Coronavirus-latest-news-Australia-canine-coronavirus-dogs-virus-infect-pets

saabsaab

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

I've been thinking about how much virons you need to be exposed to , to become infected. Does anyone know?
I found one paper that says one molecule is enough. A viron is a virus particle

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090313150254.htm

More here
https://www.quora.com/How-many-individual-virus-are-needed-to-start-an-infection-Will-1-flu-virus-be-enough-to-make-you-sick-or-do-you-need-many-more-than-that

tldr, it depends on the virus type

In theory one but that will probably never be enough to cause infection. Body defences, acids etc.



However, unlike many people think, the virus is not floating around on its own but attached to droplets or dust particles in the air. Millions could be on one droplet and if it's lucky and you aren't you will be infected.

wadacrack

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

cnocbui

wadacrack wrote: »

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

The IOC must be voiding their collective waste repositories.

ObiTwoKenobi

creditcarder wrote: »

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/fears-brit-backpacker-struck-down-21316748


Scary situation imo. Although, they did not mention Coronavirus and I am curious where he got the pneumonia.

Perhaps a bit early for corona virus, but something else just as dangerous. Very curious.

dominatinMC

fritzelly wrote: »

34 cases currently not including the ship

https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/

(4 new cases since that was updated from what I can tell)

Cheers for the link. Unfortunately, my hope that this would be more-or-less confined to China is diminishing by the day. I guess that was a bit naive of me anyway. Hopefully, now that governments realise the severity of the situation, they can be proactive about it and not let it fester in the initial weeks - a la the Chinese. The heightened awareness should bring about more stringent measures, and to be fair it seems that a few of those Japanese cases are already traced to the source of infection - which is good, as the authorities can follow-up accordingly. I know the numbers outside of China are growing day-by-day, but hopefully the rate of this growth remains low (relative to China anyway). As others have alluded to, the next week will tell us a lot.

dwayneshintzy

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

Hong Kong schools closed till March 16, at least

A month from now... Chaos.

SeaBreezes

dominatinMC wrote: »

Cheers for the link. Unfortunately, my hope that this would be more-or-less confined to China is diminishing by the day. I guess that was a bit naive of me anyway. Hopefully, now that governments realise the severity of the situation, they can be proactive about it and not let it fester in the initial weeks - a la the Chinese. The heightened awareness should bring about more stringent measures, and to be fair it seems that a few of those Japanese cases are already traced to the source of infection - which is good, as the authorities can follow-up accordingly. I know the numbers outside of China are growing day-by-day, but hopefully the rate of this growth remains low (relative to China anyway). As others have alluded to, the next week will tell us a lot.

Apart from the infected man in London going to a Bus convention with 250 other (possible?) bus drivers...
it's all fine, just the flu...

wakka12

wadacrack wrote: »

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

Link? All I've heard is that they were determined that it would not be cancelled

BanditLuke

wadacrack wrote: »

The Olympics in Tokyo looks under serious threat

That will be the least of our worries by then. Think closer to home we will soon see Premiership football games being called off and concerts and the like.

ObiTwoKenobi

Just thinking about this. What are the chances that there are two viruses in circulation in China and beyond? Could it even be that the corona virus has mutated into a less (or more) harmful strain which is also in circulation at the same time as a previous strain. Any opinions on whether that is possible and/or likely?

fritzelly

wakka12 wrote: »

Link? All I've heard is that they were determined that it would not be cancelled

Still a long way off yet - if the virus continues on it won't be a case of cancelling, they'll be no countries going there to start with

dominatinMC

SeaBreezes wrote: »

Apart from the infected man in London going to a Bus convention with 250 other (possible?) bus drivers...
it's all fine, just the flu...

I never tried to downplay it as just the flu. Unless you can otherwise quote me?

Kermit.de.frog

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

kenmc

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

Singapore not exactly cold though....

ObiTwoKenobi

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

But it's always winter somewhere in the world. That's why viruses circulate the world and show up again (or a mutation) in your location the following winter.

RebelButtMunch

kenmc wrote: »

Singapore not exactly cold though....

Yeah that's exactly true. High 20s there

givyjoe

BanditLuke wrote: »

That will be the least of our worries by then. Think closer to home we will soon see Premiership football games being called off and concerts and the like.

This is currently my second biggest worry! I've waited 30 years for a Liverpool league win!

Mic 1972

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The coming spring/summer is best chance of bringing this under control. Apparently the virus will not cope well in higher temps outside of winter. Until then chaos.

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

BanditLuke

dominatinMC wrote: »

I never tried to downplay it as just the flu. Unless you can otherwise quote me?

Don't know if poster is implying it was you but there was plenty of comments at the start of the thread about it only being a flu. It was obvious then it wasn't and surprise surprise those posters seem to have gone quiet on it now.

odyssey06

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

I wonder would a dry heat be needed... could humid weather help spread it with so much moisture in the air?

Dukoral vaccine side-effects update

The nausea has died away, stomach pain fading, temperature 101 and falling, fluid balance normalising. That’s on onset of cytokine reaction 4 and a half hours after vaccine ingestion, with symptoms starting to abate 2 and a half hours after that.

Yes, vaccines are worth it.

creditcarder

Mic 1972 wrote: »

I keep reading taht too and it's very reassuring, until you think about Thailand and Singapore where temperatures are currently over 25c and very humid, exactly the type of weather that should stop the spread. Then again temperatures in Europe reach 30c and over in the Summer so there is still hope

You can still get a cold/flue in teh summer, but it is a much lower risk

Yurt2

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

Just thinking about this. What are the chances that there are two viruses in circulation in China and beyond? Could it even be that the corona virus has mutated into a less (or more) harmful strain which is also in circulation at the same time as a previous strain. Any opinions on whether that is possible and/or likely?

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Wibbs

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

Or, and this is just conjecture of course, it might not be the same virus in all cases and the test is giving false positives as well as negatives. This could go some way to explain how this virus seems to differ so much in transmission, progression, severity and morbidity when compared to previous coronaviruses that were similar like SARS and MERS.

cnocbui

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't know does this answer your question, or if I'm covering old ground that others have in the thread, but an Aus based specialist said on CNN today that this virus has mutated several times already and is notable for its extremely high mutation rate, which is why the Chinese can't nail it down.

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silverharp

Duke of Url wrote: »

They are not lecturing anyone.

Do you know about how the US treat Whistleblowers?

Yes or No?

Or we ignore that and only focus on China?

which country is having me think if I should book my summer holidays or potentially exposing me to a pneumonia inducing virus?

Duke of Url

silverharp wrote: »

which country is having me think if I should book my summer holidays or potentially exposing me to a pneumonia inducing virus?

I have no idea what your talking about now.

ObiTwoKenobi

Wibbs wrote: »

Or, and this is just conjecture of course, it might not be the same virus in all cases and the test is giving false positives as well as negatives. This could go some way to explain how this virus seems to differ so much in transmission, progression, severity and morbidity when compared to previous coronaviruses that were similar like SARS and MERS.

Yes agreed. 100% speculation but not beyond the realms of possibility that we are witnessing a perfect storm of two or more concurrent viruses.

Here’s a quote from the wikipaedia entry for coronaviruses in general:

“Seven strains of human coronaviruses are known:

Human coronavirus 229E (HCoV-229E)

Human coronavirus OC43 (HCoV-OC43)

Severe acute respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (SARS-CoV)

Human coronavirus NL63 (HCoV-NL63, New Haven coronavirus)

Human coronavirus HKU1

Middle East respiratory syndrome-related coronavirus (MERS-CoV), previously known as novel coronavirus 2012 and HCoV-EMC.

Novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV),[27][28] also known as Wuhan coronavirus.[29] ('Novel' in this case means newly discovered, or newly originated, and is a placeholder name.)[28]”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coronavirus

When you read under each of the seven they vary in pathogenicity but ALL are readily capable of causing lethal disease in the vulnerable. The “Common Cold” can be caused by several viruses but is most usually associated with the more benign Rhinovirus family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_cold

There’s nothing simple about the business of all these type of pathogens. We have all had variants of Corona viruses, many of us will have had vulnerable relatives whose final illness it was. The world of science is still trying to work out the level of contagion and pathogenicity of the latest one discovered CoVid-19, but so far it seems to have a fairly high level of contagion and a moderate level of pathogenicity (versus severe/deadly).

MD1990

how soon do people think this will cause disruptions for football games in the PL?

Wondering will Liverpool win the league before it really spreads possibly

Channel 4 - Coronavirus is Britain ready.

Starting in a minute.

SeaBreezes

dominatinMC wrote: »

I never tried to downplay it as just the flu. Unless you can otherwise quote me?

Wasn't referring to you at all... just the general authority ..it's just the flu..

Wondering if that infected man who went to the bus conference was one of the 4 drivers of the horsemen buses who transferred the Wirral people from the plane and was sent home to self isolate for 10 days... no clue at all, just thought it was incredibly casual of the authorities at the time.. just a flu was the line..
it's being used sarcastically on twitter with some time now with videos of people being locked into their homes...

The person at the bus conference was a SHE, sea breeze and it was in London.

She rang nhs number who advised her to get an ambulance or private transfer to hospital. I think there was a miscommunication and she thought private transfer meant taxi rather than her own transport. That’s why she got the Uber.

Snow Garden

creditcarder wrote: »

You can still get a cold/flue in teh summer, but it is a much lower risk

Interesting fact...There are more than 200 viruses that can cause the common cold - rhinoviruses are by the far the most common culprits.

Approx 25% of people infected with a common cold virus are lucky enough not to experience any symptoms at all.

ObiTwoKenobi

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

Update to the study confirms Chinese visitor to German business meeting was not asymptomatic when she passed on the virus.

Strawberry Milkshake

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

The person at the bus conference was a SHE, sea breeze and it was in London.

She rang nhs number who advised her to get an ambulance or private transfer to hospital. I think there was a miscommunication and she thought private transfer meant taxi rather than her own transport. That’s why she got the Uber.

This is why communication strategies have to be very clear & complete, and also take into account English is not everybody’s first language.

pc7

BanditLuke wrote: »

That will be the least of our worries by then. Think closer to home we will soon see Premiership football games being called off and concerts and the like.

We’re due to go to Paris Paddy’s weekend for the rugby, think we’ll see how it pans out over the next few weeks first.

scotchy

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Channel 4 - Coronavirus is Britain ready.

Starting in a minute.

Well that didn't put my mind at rest:o

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Zenify

scotchy wrote: »

Well that didn't put my mind at rest:o

.

Can you give a summary?

ObiTwoKenobi

ObiTwoKenobi wrote: »

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2001468

Update to the study confirms Chinese visitor to German business meeting was not asymptomatic when she passed on the virus.

Wouldn’t it be woeful if it is discovered that there are Covid-19 carriers similar to Typhoid Mary who could tinker to spread illness throughout her life. But we are dealing with a cometely different type of pathogen

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon