new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

wellwhynot

Zenify wrote: »

https://youtu.be/Bb4BlkOhlXs

Dr. JOHN

Mostly good news that children aren't having bad symptoms

My children will be fine but we may not be. That is my biggest worry.

Kermit.de.frog

...

Kermit.de.frog

For people quoting Zerohedge articles it's not a good source for anything.

The purpose and agenda of that site is to get investors to buy gold.

How do you get investors to buy gold? You stoke panic.

I wouldn't be relying on it at all.

gozunda

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

For people quoting Zerohedge articles it's not a good source for anything.

The purpose and agenda of that site is to get investors to buy gold.How do you get investors to buy gold? You stoke panic. I wouldn't be relying on it at all.

?

Zenify

wellwhynot wrote: »

My children will be fine but we may not be. That is my biggest worry.

Hopefully the virus will become righteous and leave no orphans behind.

Kermit.de.frog

Maybe posted already but the hastily built hospitals - not only are they mostly empty but have been encountering other problems...


https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1228576289004675072

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1228670320455962625

cnocbui

Not hard to see why the original built for SARS was abandoned. Looks like they built a virus incubator in only 10 days. Hmmm, electricity and water, my favourite.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext

Lancet doesn't agree with travel restrictions,. Calls it an illegal breach of International Health Regulations:



Article 3.1 strictly requires all additional health measures to be implemented “with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons”,1 which in turn must reflect the international law principles of necessity, legitimacy, and proportionality that govern limitations to and derogations from rights and freedoms.10 Under no circumstances should public health or foreign policy decisions be based on the racism and xenophobia that are now being directed at Chinese people and those of Asian descent.11
Many of the travel restrictions implemented by dozens of countries during the COVID-19 outbreak are therefore violations of the IHR

Call Me Jimmy

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext

Lancet doesn't agree with travel restrictions,. Calls it an illegal breach of International Health Regulations:



Article 3.1 strictly requires all additional health measures to be implemented “with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons”,1 which in turn must reflect the international law principles of necessity, legitimacy, and proportionality that govern limitations to and derogations from rights and freedoms.10 Under no circumstances should public health or foreign policy decisions be based on the racism and xenophobia that are now being directed at Chinese people and those of Asian descent.11
Many of the travel restrictions implemented by dozens of countries during the COVID-19 outbreak are therefore violations of the IHR

Why don't they tell China to lift all travel restrictions in their own country? Are mass quarantines of cities lawful? Telling people they can't leave their house without authorisation?

tillyfilly

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Why don't they tell China to lift all travel restrictions in their own country? Are mass quarantines of cities lawful? Telling people they can't leave their house without authorisation?

its China, there is only as much freedom as the government say with or without the corona virus

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30373-1/fulltext

Lancet doesn't agree with travel restrictions,. Calls it an illegal breach of International Health Regulations:



Article 3.1 strictly requires all additional health measures to be implemented “with full respect for the dignity, human rights and fundamental freedoms of persons”,1 which in turn must reflect the international law principles of necessity, legitimacy, and proportionality that govern limitations to and derogations from rights and freedoms.10 Under no circumstances should public health or foreign policy decisions be based on the racism and xenophobia that are now being directed at Chinese people and those of Asian descent.11
Many of the travel restrictions implemented by dozens of countries during the COVID-19 outbreak are therefore violations of the IHR

I think they must be confusing a potentially pandemic virus for a refugee.

tillyfilly

saabsaab wrote: »

'May I suggest Mr President a ration of 10 women to each man for optimal breeding purposes!'
Dr Strangelove

surely the Olympics will be affected by this virus! You can run but you can't hide

wakka12

70 more cases on the japanese ship, 355 total, 10% of all those on board. Wonder what the total will turn out to be

bodhrandude

wakka12 wrote: »

70 more cases on the japanese ship, 355 total, 10% of all those on board. Wonder what the total will turn out to be

Where did you see that, can't find any reports on Google.

fritzelly

wakka12 wrote: »

70 more cases on the japanese ship, 355 total, 10% of all those on board. Wonder what the total will turn out to be

At this rate all of them! It's more like a petri dish than a cruise ship at this point

bodhrandude wrote: »

Where did you see that, can't find any reports on Google.

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1228855359906906113

tillyfilly

44 more cases it says in the guardian

wakka12

bodhrandude wrote: »

Where did you see that, can't find any reports on Google.

BNO news

fritzelly

tillyfilly wrote: »

44 more cases it says in the guardian

Where's it say that? Cannot find a current live update

bodhrandude

fritzelly wrote: »

Where's it say that? Cannot find a current live update

Actually that seems to be from Thursday so I don't know, maybe 70 is a new total for the same news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/japan-reports-first-coronavirus-death-as-44-more-cases-confirmed-aboard-cruise-ship

fritzelly

bodhrandude wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/japan-reports-first-coronavirus-death-as-44-more-cases-confirmed-aboard-cruise-ship

Thats 3 days old

bodhrandude

fritzelly wrote: »

Thats 3 days old

Yep I noticed that after I posted it so original post amended.

fritzelly

bodhrandude wrote: »

Yep I noticed that after I posted it so original post amended.

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/html/20200216/k10012287771000.html

Google translate needed

bodhrandude

That will be Japan now at nearly 300 people. Was looking at this map from another CV discussion on the Aphex Twin, Squarepusher WATMM forums etc, the map is done well based on the John Hopkins CSSE, although the figure given for Japan seems off. Will post both links.

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

https://forum.watmm.com/topic/98388-chinese-coronavirus-end-of-the-world/page/13/

ardinn

Apparently we are at 4.7 on the "Uh Oh" scale

Graces7

fr336 wrote: »

Sad to see comments here and elsewhere discarding older people getting this - as long as everyone else is fine, no problem. Do you not have parents or grandparents? I'm not worried about myself - I'm only just in my 30s - but am worried about relatives. Of course there are always risks for older people, but a pandemic is a bloody unlucky way to go.

Thank you for this.. and totally agree. I sit here seething. I am headed for 80 and have M.E to a major degree which the majority of GPs know almost nothing about even if they believe in it.

I take full responsibility for my illness and health care as I have access to little else. I am very well educated about M.E and only seek medical care when eg a broken wrist occurs, I especially know that my immune system is down. Last time I caught even a simple cold I was abed for two months; went to a First Communion.

When I tried to find out how old age affects M.E I was told that so few live to old age there is no awareness. The main cause of death for us is " overwhelming infection"!


So I live safely and simply; with almost no human contact ( the internet is a wonder..) Ask only pain relief from the GP. Supply lines set up and no way can this virus access me. And well stocked for supplies always, in a remote place.

I know not everyone can do as I am doing; but we can all and each take precautions. And for our old folk; shop for them etc. Make sure they have all they need.

As you say, we are people too. Not stats to be discounted.

s7ryf3925pivug

bodhrandude wrote: »

Actually that seems to be from Thursday so I don't know, maybe 70 is a new total for the same news.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/13/japan-reports-first-coronavirus-death-as-44-more-cases-confirmed-aboard-cruise-ship

Says 70 new cases now.

Coronavirus: 70 more cases on Japan cruise ship as China infections pass 68,000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/16/coronavirus-70-more-cases-on-japan-cruise-ship-as-china-infections-pass-68000?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

Gynoid

Corona virus may affect testes and fertility
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.12.20022418v1
(I know it is pre peer review)


Corona virus reinfecting patients. Previously weakened heart resulting in sudden deaths.
https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3876197

Vaccine may not be answer. As with SARS which is not amenable to vaccine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severe_acute_respiratory_syndrome

Duke of Url

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Maybe posted already but the hastily built hospitals - not only are they mostly empty but have been encountering other problems...


https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1228576289004675072

https://twitter.com/IsChinar/status/1228670320455962625

They should have hired the people building a Children’s Hospital

pc7

The poor people living there, absolute nightmare https://twitter.com/bnodesk/status/1228968075682291713?s=21

tara73

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Says 70 new cases now.

Coronavirus: 70 more cases on Japan cruise ship as China infections pass 68,000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/16/coronavirus-70-more-cases-on-japan-cruise-ship-as-china-infections-pass-68000?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

0xzmro3n4y7lb5

Concerning, the cruise ship Westerdam that many ports refused finally docked clearing all passengers.

An American passenger tested positive after flying on to Kuala Lumpur.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/16/world/asia/china-coronavirus.html

BanditLuke

Staggering rate of infections tbh. I'd take everything the Chinese say with a massive pinch of salt as regards deaths. They are desperate to get their economy going again but Covid19 has other ideas.

Drumpot

tara73 wrote: »

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
or did they turn off the aircon completely?

Was it Dr John who said this will be an interesting "experiment" in that we might get an idea of how it spreads from the cruise ship. The question is that if it is spreading due to aircon does that confirm that its airborne ? Would this suggest it can be transmitted easier ?

I still think the numbers outside of China going up slow (and slow deaths) is what has most of the world in a relatively unconcerned status.

SeaBreezes

tara73 wrote: »

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
or did they turn off the aircon completely?

Also the test is only 60% accurate...

wakka12

First death in Taiwan

6 more cases in Tokyo this morning

I wonder if the worlds biggest city could ever be quarantined. That is like at least 15 new cases in one city in 24 hours

SeaBreezes

Chang Kai, born in 1964, worked at #Hubei Film Studio, died of #COVID19 in the morning on the #valentinsday . His sister died in the same afternoon. His father died on Jan 28. His mother died on Jan 31. Within 17 days, four members died. His wife was infected too

https://twitter.com/jenniferatntd/status/1228799606588420097

In the tweet comments: If the mortality rate of the virus was really 2.5% as China is telling the world, the probability of a family of four being killed by the virus is one in 2.5 million. If the mortality was 10% it is one in 10,000. I suspect the real rate is north of 10%

wakka12

I don't think those averages can just be applied to every family. All the family members were around 55+, for example , clearly in this age group the death rate is considerably more than 2.5% regardless. maybe they all shared some genetic heart abnormality or other condition. It is alarming but you certainly can't estimate a nationwide death rate from one example

https://twitter.com/GlobalTimesBiz/status/1228934282976120832?s=19

https://twitter.com/business/status/1228866357254594560?s=19

tara73

Drumpot wrote: »

Was it Dr John who said this will be an interesting "experiment" in that we might get an idea of how it spreads from the cruise ship. .

yes, he did as I remember being a bit 'shocked' about him saying it so directly...:pac:

saabsaab

As the test isn't 100% accurate I wonder how many times the suspect cases here were re-tested?

SeaBreezes

This fricking virus .. healed patients can continue to infect people..

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30066-7/fulltext

This recent case shows that not only can subclinical patients transmit the virus effectively but patients can also shed high amounts of the virus and infect others even after recovery from the acute illness.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Does anyone know the profile of the deaths so far? Has it killed anyone healthy in their 20s or mainly and older population?

saabsaab

SeaBreezes wrote: »

This fricking virus .. healed patients can continue to infect people..

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30066-7/fulltext

This recent case shows that not only can subclinical patients transmit the virus effectively but patients can also shed high amounts of the virus and infect others even after recovery from the acute illness.

Very worrying, if that holds up there is no way to stop it long term. Hope it mutates to a milder form soon.

cnocbui

Pheonix10 wrote: »

Does anyone know the profile of the deaths so far? Has it killed anyone healthy in their 20s or mainly and older population?

The Chinese doctor who tried to warn about it, springs to mind.

cnocbui

tara73 wrote: »

that is some tough stuff. from this article they only tested 1219 passengers, and from them 355 are tested positive, that's 29 %:eek:.

I think with this number the aircon is doing the job in spreading it further. could turn out it was no quarantine for the people on board but the opposite..
or did they turn off the aircon completely?

The geniuses have had infected crew associating with one another and preparing meals for all the passengers and themselves. I expect a 100% infection rate will result from this act of insanity. It will go down in history and be the subject of medical textbooks and in depth magazine articles for years and will damage Japans reputation.

wakka12

cnocbui wrote: »

The Chinese doctor who tried to warn about it, springs to mind.

He was in his early thirties. There are no specific reports of people under 30 dying but I'm sure at least one has out of 1500 deaths

ldy4mxonucwsq6

I just think it's a little too perfect of a virus to be natural.

It's ability to transmit, reinfect and kill is phenomenal.

Rumours of it being capable of living on surfaces for lengthy periods and capable of being transmitted by food or goods.

It's apparent non effect on those under 15 years old. It's seeming lethality specifically on Asian people due to the receptors and the way the lungs react.

The timing too, a time of huge gathering and travelling for Chinese New year.

I don't know, I suppose good news is China reporting drops in cases (if figures are legit) also the Christmas Island evacuees all seem to be clear after quarantine.

I feel like I could be in tin foil hat territory but I would not be surprised to learn if it was man made or a purposeful release.

Bill 2.0

cnocbui wrote: »

The Chinese doctor who tried to warn about it, springs to mind.

Did he die from the virus or "die from the virus" *wink wink*?

gozunda

The US military has set up 15 coronavirus quarantine camps on its bases, and 600 citizens are still isolated there

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-military-bases-coronavirus-quarantine-locations-2020-2?amp&r=US&IR=T&__twitter_impression=true

tromtipp

" I don't think those averages can just be applied to every family. All the family members were around 55+, for example "

The parents and their two children were ALL 55+? Odd family.