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Snow Garden

gozunda wrote: »

But yeah theres always a risk of false news. Though most people have enough sense to know the difference I would hope.

Just take a read of this thread for a start!

gozunda

Snow Garden wrote: »

Just take a read of this thread for a start!

Nah I dont agree Plenty of daft news has been highlighted already. I see very few in panic mode or claiming that it's not happening either or even similar tbh

bodhrandude

Forty infected Americans among the cruise ship evacuees who will go for treatment in Japan. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51524460

Snow Garden

Snow Garden wrote: »

He kept stressing that social media is making things worse by scaring people unnecessarily. Even the WHO are calling it an 'infodemic' where lots of false information is being spread on the media and social media.

They were already complaining about the spread of misinformation via social media during the Event 201 simulation - a simulation in which no misinformation was actually spread.

https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174?t=492

I don't see any evidence of actual panic but these talking heads keep saying "social media is causing a panic".

I suspect a lot of the disinformation is being planted or encouraged by the powers that be. This will be used to justify an escalation in the crackdown on social media and non-state-sponsored news sources.

what the hell!

Mick Finn, former Lord Mayor of Cork saying on Twitter that he has heard from somebody in the hospital the Corona has been confirmed in Cork.

Edit: he’s after deleting the tweet. Whether true or not bit of a reckless tweet by the public rep.

Stark

Deleted User wrote: »

They were already complaining about the spread of misinformation via social media during the Event 201 simulation - a simulation in which no misinformation was actually spread.

https://youtu.be/AoLw-Q8X174?t=492

I don't see any evidence of actual panic but these talking heads keep saying "social media is causing a panic".

I suspect a lot of the disinformation is being planted or encouraged by the powers that be. This will be used to justify an escalation in the crackdown on social media and non-state-sponsored news sources.

They're already cracking down on the sale of aluminium foil in supermarkets so we won't be able to stop them reading our thoughts.

CinemaGuy45

what the hell! wrote: »

Mick Finn, former Lord Mayor of Cork saying on Twitter that he has heard from somebody in the hospital the Corona has been confirmed in Cork.

HSE and Irish goverment lying big shock there.

It got into the UK but just stopped at the Irish Sea yeah right.:D

4068ac1elhodqr

Snow Garden wrote: »

The latest corona virus was covered briefly but accurately on Radio 1 (Weekend on One) by the Professor of Biochemistry in the School of Biochemistry and Immunology at TCD (Luke O'Neill).
To summarise, the expert said there is a very low risk of people in Ireland dying from it and there will be a vaccine by Autumn....

A similar chap was on same station (perhaps this, or another similar R1 podcast), but the said it would be 1yr before vaccine, and 20k deaths directly from it could be a possibility in Ire (WCS).
Any vaccine would need to be discovered, then animal trials, the human trails and further observation before been given the green light and final sign-off for widespread licenced public use. Thus Winter, not Autumn might be closer.

Across the water, Professor Neil Ferguson of Imperial College London warned the UK could see a death rate reach 400,000 people there (assume that's the WCS, as he assumes 60% of total population group infected).
Would even dismiss that 60% (global or national) rate, and consider way off, more like e.g. 5%? Even for the H1N1 that went global years ago, only know 2people from hundreds, and that actually got it that year.

Boggles

what the hell! wrote: »

Mick Finn, former Lord Mayor of Cork saying on Twitter that he has heard from somebody in the hospital the Corona has been confirmed in Cork.

Edit: he’s after deleting the tweet. Whether true or not bit of a reckless tweet by the public rep.

Mick is obviously a fúcktard.

dominatinMC

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

HSE and Irish goverment lying big shock there.

It got into the UK but just stopped at the Irish Sea yeah right.:D

Well, ya. Given the low number of cases there at present, it's very plausible.

Kermit.de.frog

Cork is Ireland's Wuhan

Be proud

bodhrandude

The Channel 4 programme on a day or two ago stated that a vaccine wouldn't be ready till 18 months time.

saabsaab

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Cork is Ireland's Wuhan

Be proud

Hopefully a mistake. If Cork is hit then nowhere is safe!

4068ac1elhodqr

bodhrandude wrote: »

The Channel 4 programme on a day or two ago stated that a vaccine wouldn't be able till 18 months time.

Agree it will be a while, as anyone having side effects or full blown narcolepsy - from any new, rushed or experimental vaccine would be in line for legal payday.

You could always make them sign a wavier, or sign-up to become part of a initial human trials group (in return for payment).

Wonder will Mr.Gates will be involved in any global vax rollout next year...

Rvsmmnps

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MadYaker

what the hell! wrote: »

Mick Finn, former Lord Mayor of Cork saying on Twitter that he has heard from somebody in the hospital the Corona has been confirmed in Cork.

Edit: he’s after deleting the tweet. Whether true or not bit of a reckless tweet by the public rep.

Id say a case or two here is likely. But it isn't a cause for alarm. I can't believe he was stupid enough to tweet something like that though.

Mic 1972

bodhrandude wrote: »

The Channel 4 programme on a day or two ago stated that a vaccine wouldn't be able till 18 months time.

yep, that's what is being reported on the news everywhere in Europe

rossie1977

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

HSE and Irish goverment lying big shock there.

It got into the UK but just stopped at the Irish Sea yeah right.:D

There is a handful of cases in the UK which up to a week or 2 ago had direct flights to China and still has direct flights to Singapore and Thailand something Ireland doesn't have.

Timberrrrrrrr

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Cork is Ireland's Wuhan

Be proud

:pac: jaysus, a new level of panic has been established!

saabsaab

'If it takes 15 minutes of exposure to get it (heard that somewhere) then what about a person getting public transport to the airport. Then cueing up to check bags in. Then cueing up at security. Then having some food or drink. Then cueing up to get on plane. Then being on plane. Then waiting for bags at other end of destination.'


If an infected person sneezes beside you and either of you don't have protection then you won't need 15mins to have a very high chance of infection.

Snow Garden

saabsaab wrote: »

'If it takes 15 minutes of exposure to get it (heard that somewhere) then what about a person getting public transport to the airport. Then cueing up to check bags in. Then cueing up at security. Then having some food or drink. Then cueing up to get on plane. Then being on plane. Then waiting for bags at other end of destination.'


If an infected person sneezes beside you and either of you don't have protection then you won't need 15mins to have a very high chance of infection.

What are you on about? 15 mins of exposure? Ease up on the Chinese whispers. You can get it as soon as someone sneezes/coughs on you.
It's 'queuing' unless you are playing snooker in the airport.

SeaBreezes

Snow Garden wrote: »

What are you on about? 15 mins of exposure? Ease up on the Chinese whispers. You can get it as soon as someone sneezes/coughs on you.
It's 'queuing' unless you are playing snooker in the airport.

The person who tested positive is likely the same person who tested negative before. Tests are not accurate..

odyssey06

Snow Garden wrote: »

What are you on about? 15 mins of exposure? Ease up on the Chinese whispers. You can get it as soon as someone sneezes/coughs on you.
It's 'queuing' unless you are playing snooker in the airport.

I think the 15 minutes thing comes from the definition of 'close contact' as per Ireland's Coronavirus Expert Advisory Group.

I don't know what their basis for 15 minutes is. But here you go, this is the protocol:

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/algorithms/2019%20nCoV%20Risk%20Assessment%20Primary%20Care%20v0.3.pdf

RebelButtMunch

saabsaab wrote: »

'If it takes 15 minutes of exposure to get it (heard that somewhere) then what about a person getting public transport to the airport. Then cueing up to check bags in. Then cueing up at security. Then having some food or drink. Then cueing up to get on plane. Then being on plane. Then waiting for bags at other end of destination.'


If an infected person sneezes beside you and either of you don't have protection then you won't need 15mins to have a very high chance of infection.

15 minutes of exposure? All depends on the situation. It only takes 2 seconds to touch something that has some virons on it and then rub your eye

sweetie

Price of crude oil has dropped due to Coronavirus, from $65 to $56, 2.5c less per litre.

Jimbob1977

I saw a teenager with a face mask in Dunnes Stores Limerick today.

Irish, not Chinese.

It will become hipster within a week.

Tipperary animal lover

Jesus christ just watched a video of Chinese police/military( which ever c#nts) beaten to death dogs with sticks and pits full of pigs been set alight to contain the virus, I'm sick to my stomach watching that poor dog just sit there and been beaten to death.

SeaBreezes

China updates just nine(?) new cases today, and only 1 death...
That fell off a cliff very quickly!
I think those numbers are Wuhan only though? Hubei due in later?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

wakka12

https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/f4y7u9/japan_confirms_current_total_of_59_cases_outside/
Japanese Health Minister urges public to avoid gathering in large crowds

s7ryf3925pivug

Looks like it can spread through shared soil pipes if the plumbing is done wrongly. Must have been the source of the idea that it could spread through sewage systems

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/12/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-pipes-intl-hnk/?iid=ob_mobile_article_footer_expansion

That's gross anyway; sewer gas going through the building. I would think that it must have smelled pretty bad.

Wonder if something like this is behind the spread on cruise ships.

MarkY91

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I saw a teenager with a face mask in Dunnes Stores Limerick today.

Irish, not Chinese.

It will become hipster within a week.

I saw two Irish girls wearing them on two different occasions. They had stupid anime characters on the masks. 100% attention seeking anime comic book geek types.

laurah591

SeaBreezes wrote: »

China updates just nine(?) new cases today, and only 1 death...
That fell off a cliff very quickly!
I think those numbers are Wuhan only though? Hubei due in later?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Hubei numbers not available yet .... these will probably show circa 2k cases and 100 odd deaths

wakka12

SeaBreezes wrote: »

China updates just nine(?) new cases today, and only 1 death...
That fell off a cliff very quickly!
I think those numbers are Wuhan only though? Hubei due in later?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The numbers for China arent out. Hubei is at 10pm, usually much later, and the rest of China is at least an hour and half later

Ulysses Gaze

SeaBreezes wrote: »

China updates just nine(?) new cases today, and only 1 death...
That fell off a cliff very quickly!
I think those numbers are Wuhan only though? Hubei due in later?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If anyone believes anything the CCP are saying regards this virus, I've some nice beachfront property to sell you in Carlow.

fritzelly

SeaBreezes wrote: »

China updates just nine(?) new cases today, and only 1 death...
That fell off a cliff very quickly!
I think those numbers are Wuhan only though? Hubei due in later?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Numbers not released - they are probably just a few reported numbers but nothing official

wakka12

https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/16/schools-told-stay-open-even-suspect-coronavirus-12251161/
Schools in the UK are advised not to close even if there is a suspected case, if proven positive then action will be taken. It's probably not bad advice given how few cases there seems to be in the UK, but if there is ever an epidemic in schools in UK heads will be rollin

fritzelly

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229175389840429057

fritzelly

40814 still being treated
9797 still critical/serious
4826 suspected

cnocbui

Kaya Prehistoric Landlord wrote: »

Looks like it can spread through shared soil pipes if the plumbing is done wrongly. Must have been the source of the idea that it could spread through sewage systems

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/02/12/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-pipes-intl-hnk/?iid=ob_mobile_article_footer_expansion

That's gross anyway; sewer gas going through the building. I would think that it must have smelled pretty bad.

Wonder if something like this is behind the spread on cruise ships.

The sewer thing is likely a mixup/misinformation relating to a closely studied incident during the SARS outbreak in Hong Kong in the Amoy Garden high rise: https://www.infectioncontroltoday.com/personal-protective-equipment/sars-and-plumbing-role-sewage-plays-spreading-disease

wakka12

wakka12 wrote: »

https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/16/schools-told-stay-open-even-suspect-coronavirus-12251161/
Schools in the UK are advised not to close even if there is a suspected case, if proven positive then action will be taken. It's probably not bad advice given how few cases there seems to be in the UK, but if there is ever an epidemic in schools in UK heads will be rollin

Sounds like terrible advice to me

wakka12

So, in the past the number of confirmed cases seemed to limited by the number of test kits they had. The maximum test appeared to be about 2500 daily. Seeing as there are still thousands of suspected left, why are they not being tested, and the 2500 limit still being reached daily?

BanditLuke

Like clockwork with the death rate.

cnocbui

saabsaab wrote: »

'If it takes 15 minutes of exposure to get it (heard that somewhere) then what about a person getting public transport to the airport. Then cueing up to check bags in. Then cueing up at security. Then having some food or drink. Then cueing up to get on plane. Then being on plane. Then waiting for bags at other end of destination.'


If an infected person sneezes beside you and either of you don't have protection then you won't need 15mins to have a very high chance of infection.

You possible heard about it here: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12304897

wakka12

The death rate is increasing quite a lot as the number of new cases drop while deaths increase/remain consistent. In Hubei the mortality rate is now very close to 3%, a week ago it was just around 2.1%. It has also risen quite a lot in the rest of China to over 0.5%, last week it 0.3%.

laurah591

wakka12 wrote: »

So, in the past the number of confirmed cases seemed to limited by the number of test kits they had. The maximum test appeared to be about 2500 daily. Seeing as there are still thousands of suspected left, why are they not being tested, and the 2500 limit still being reached daily?

Are China's numbers accurate? just seem too predictable

BanditLuke

laurah591 wrote: »

Are China's numbers accurate? just seem too predictable

They are about as accurate as a blind guy playing darts whilst drunk.

Kermit.de.frog

fritzelly wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1229175389840429057

circadian

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

I saw a teenager with a face mask in Dunnes Stores Limerick today.

Irish, not Chinese.

It will become hipster within a week.

Could be immunocompronised, I've seen a few in Dublin this last week. I'd imagine if you have any underlying issues and see this in the news then you'd take precautions.

Kermit.de.frog

From what I have read apparently masks are next to useless for this infection.

wakka12

Yes the immediate thought when seeing something like that is that the person is ridiculous and dramatic but for a lot of people a virus like this could have serious consequence. Underlying illnesses are more common than you think