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BanditLuke

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

You really think it would be wise to stock up on fuel and food?

I can't see the harm in it. Ill happily be laughed at if it all blows over (it won't) but the water will be drunk and the food will be eaten eventually so its no loss financially. I've put a little extra in every weekly shop over the last 4 weeks as well as doing a water and tinned food, dry food shop separately for my parents. It really doesn't take much effort.

igCorcaigh

BanditLuke wrote: »

From a selfish prospective with frail elderly parents I'd be more concerned with the percentage in the over 70's age bracket. I've got them masks and weeks worth of supplies so they don't have to go to shops etc.and can bunker down at home..but they do attend hospitals on a regular basis which is a huge concern.

I'm concerned about my parents too. My dad is in his late 70's

Spanish Eyes

Well we heading for our usual spot in Southern Spain in four weeks time. If there is lockdown on travel so be it. But we intend to go anyway if not.

Life has to go on. Will watch and wait for travel restrictions, and will observe of course. But I doubt it will happen. Just look at Flight Radar24. The skies are as full as ever.

Kewreeuss

Article in the Indo yesterday.
Is this the journalist stirring it up or are people in Dublin really not going to get their takeaway or be abusive to oriental people they pass in the street?

Mic 1972

Duke of Url wrote: »

Why did you try and call him out on the 2% number when you used the same formula earlier?

Or is it the editional 1% that annoyed you

People throwing around the 2% figure like a mantra, including the press
it is a reassuring number and nothing more
Accurate and up to date stats are out daily on Worldometer, my advise is to familiarizes with those figures

Duke of Url

Mic 1972 wrote: »

People throwing around the 2% figure like a mantra, including the press
it is a reassuring number and nothing more
Accurate and up to date stats are out daily on Worldometer, my advise is to familiarizes with those figures

Ah so you are arguing over 1.13%. Got it

Graces7

CORONA VIRUS NOW A NOTIFIABLE DISEASE

I just was on breaking news.ie; there is a header at the top "coronavirus" and on that page news that coronavirus is now a notifiable diseasea in Ireland and a long piece on coronavirus precautions etc. Much the same as they issued a few weeks ago as they say in the article

I cannot copy paste on this machine so please can some kind person copy/paste the link? Thank you

Headed "Doctors obliged to notify HSE...…."

It should reassure folk.

Please excuse me now as I am very very unwell today but was concerned at the thread earlier that folk were being more worried into panic than was needful.





John for Continuing to say they are ready for everything when they can’t possibly be). Somebody said they were on 6\1 news one day. It should be update segment everyday at this stage.
n weeks ago.[/QUOTE]

Mic 1972

ixoy wrote: »

What's the bare minimum in your mind? Some posters here would have us lock down borders...

Other people are still turning up at social gathering, house parties, pubs with a running nose, completely oblivion to the fact that the virus is here

Graces7

BanditLuke wrote: »

I can't see the harm in it. Ill happily be laughed at if it all blows over (it won't) but the water will be drunk and the food will be eaten eventually so its no loss financially. I've put a little extra in every weekly shop over the last 4 weeks as well as doing a water and tinned food, dry food shop separately for my parents. It really doesn't take much effort.

Wise and sensible. And as we say, no worries if it is not needed as it is things that will be used.

gozunda

Gynoid wrote: »

If you are past a certain age I will be polite to you even if you are a thundering pain in the arse, yup.
They can be challenged more politely if the person is elderly and not robust. Or better still ignored. Would you like to watch someone do it in real life, would you do it yourself, be so scathing to an old person? I would not stand back and allow it to happen in front of me in real life anyway, even if the elderly and infirm person was completely annoying. It is just not good form.But have at it, whoever needs to, if that is your thing.

I know you are replying to another poster there However some news for ya. This is the internet. We are all anonymous posters on this thread. There are no certainties regarding anyones age or health or even if posts are genuine or at least not taking the piss or otherwise. Anyone poster here could be of 'certain age' 'infirm' or even not 'robust. I've been around for a while and most posters and imo dont continuously bleat about such things or at least play a musical instrument to beat the band.

That aside any poster attacking others or even being " a thundering pain in the arse"- will most likley get that pointed out.

Dont like a post - then afaik the normal thing is report it and leave off the tilting at windmills for dragons or whatever ...

Graces7

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

Beggars belief that a good chunk of the country are walking around now assuming its not here, or people get colds etc. and have no idea they're spreading this. It seems so inevitable that we wait until the critical case shows up and gets tested and we are in Italy's shoes.

It's not like doing the bare minimum amount is hard. I understand it's unlikely to be contained in any country at this stage, but could we have given it a shot even?

Are there any diagnosed cases here? And you are suggesting? A total lockdown? Schools etc?

Gynoid

gozunda wrote: »

I know you are replying to another poster there However some news for ya. This is the internet. We are all anonymous posters on this thread. There are no certainties regarding anyones age or health or even if posts are genuine or at least not taking the piss. Anyoneposter here could be of 'certain age' 'infirm' or even not 'robust. I've been around for a while and most posters dont continuously bleat about such things or play a musical instrument to beat the band.

Any poster attacking others or even bring " a thundering pain in the arse"
- will most likley get that pointed out whether they claim to be rip van winkle or the Tin Man from the wizard of Oz.

Dont like a post - then afaik the normal thing is report it and leave off the tilting at windmills for dragons or whatever ...

Yeah, whatever is right.

gozunda

Gynoid wrote: »

Yeah, whatever is right.

If we knew that - we wouldnt be here ...

Call Me Jimmy

Graces7 wrote: »

Are there any diagnosed cases here? And you are suggesting? A total lockdown? Schools etc?

No. why do people keep assuming that? I said the bare minimum which is loads of PSA (so people don't go around spreading it without knowing, like the exact way it got massive in Wuhan, yes there are asymptomatic cases that doesn't mean we can't limit symptomatic people from spreading it too).

And up-to-date information from our official sources. Maybe conveying the urgency, some people who aren't on the internet all the time might like to know the true situation rather than what RTE have depicted so far.

The bare minimum.

Gynoid

gozunda wrote: »

If we knew that - we wouldnt be here ...

Whatever.

Nonoperational

How many people from the Diamond Princess died?

tillyfilly

BanditLuke wrote: »

I can't see the harm in it. Ill happily be laughed at if it all blows over (it won't) but the water will be drunk and the food will be eaten eventually so its no loss financially. I've put a little extra in every weekly shop over the last 4 weeks as well as doing a water and tinned food, dry food shop separately for my parents. It really doesn't take much effort.

how many tins of beans would one need to ride this out!?? I'm guessing its not very achievable to hoard enough to ride it out!!

Mic 1972

Nonoperational wrote: »

How many people from the Diamond Princess died?

3 deaths
36 serious

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I think the genie is out of the bottle now, but hopefully I am wrong, ever the optimist.

I also think the Church should state from the altar that the Sign of Peace is being suspended for the time being at Mass. I worry about those in my family who attend church and partake in this little ritual.

My late mother and a late cousin used to stay at the back of the church and sneak out for a moment around the sign of the cross time, escaped many an infection that was going the rounds among the coughing congregation.

cnocbui

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Diamond Princess says hi

The crew got it from other crew and the passengers got it from infected crew preparing their meals and transporting them to their rooms, not the ventilation system.

CrankyHaus

Apologies if it's already been posted on this thread but the Sunday Business Post has Coronavirus on its front page today under the headline:

"Ireland ill equipped to handle big coronavirus outbreak, warn doctors".

Intensive Care Consultant Dr Tom Ryan didn't hold back about inadequacies to deal with a large amount of infections.

RCSI Professor Sam McConkey outlined a worst case scenario of up to 20,000 dead.

Even the Chair of Ireland's Coronavirus Expert Advisory Group Dr Cliian De Gascun confessed he was worried and that "things are now going in the wrong direction".

Susan Mitchell is one of the country's best health journalists so I wouldn't dismiss the article lightly.

gozunda

tillyfilly wrote: »

how many tins of beans would one need to ride this out!?? I'm guessing its not very achievable to hoard enough to ride it out!!

There isnt enough Loo Roll in the country to deal with that scenario tbh ...:D

cnocbui

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Well if there is any truth in taking liquorice then I’ll just start on the sambuca once I’ve parked the car up

Research vitamin D, I suspect it would be a lot more efficacious than liquorice, even if less tasty or interesting.

tillyfilly

tillyfilly wrote: »

how many tins of beans would one need to ride this out!?? I'm guessing its not very achievable to hoard enough to ride it out!!

Lots of dried lentils, beans, barley, rice, pasta, couscous etc. I always keep plenty of spices in the press. Could make very nutritious dahl, risottos etc. Keeping a few types of flour, yeast, oil you can make samosas, bread, pizza bases, all sorts of interesting things. Tomato paste, harissa, creamed coconut. Butter keeps almost forever, to make pastry & shortbread. Meat, fish & vegetables can go in the freezer. A well stocked larder is always handy as I found when I got something as simple as a broken foot.

SeaBreezes

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

No. why do people keep assuming that? I said the bare minimum which is loads of PSA (so people don't go around spreading it without knowing, like the exact way it got massive in Wuhan, yes there are asymptomatic cases that doesn't mean we can't limit symptomatic people from spreading it too).

And up-to-date information from our official sources. Maybe conveying the urgency, some people who aren't on the internet all the time might like to know the true situation rather than what RTE have depicted so far.

The bare minimum.

I liked this article where they discuss the correct way to prepare people for pandemic and how the 'nothing to worry about' causes more panic than the practical steps that can be taken.
It's an easy read.

https://virologydownunder.com/past-time-to-tell-the-public-it-will-probably-go-pandemic-and-we-should-all-prepare-now/

ardinn

Apologies if posted already

Doctor John posting the video he hoped he would never have to make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VasccCzr2TY

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

There isnt enough Loo Roll in the country to deal with that scenario tbh ...:D

Which is one thing to start stocking up on, can’t do without it. Same for hygiene pads, nappies, soap, bleach spray, bin sacks etc. Dry pet food & cat litter etc for the pets.

Gynoid

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is one thing to start stocking up on, can’t do without it. .

Helpful Tip From Wikihow - in case of being caught short in an apocalypse. Millions have managed for tens of thousands of years without loo roll.

Wash your private areas with the available water. You will need about 1 liter of water for this task. Use the spray hose to rinse or take the dipper provided in the water bucket. With your right hand, throw the water up at the dirty areas.
In India, it is common to clean with the left hand. When you use your right hand to throw the water, reach between your legs with your left hand. Cup your left hand to collect some falling water and use this to clean yourself.
Ladies must be careful not to wipe in the direction of their genitals. Instead of cupping and throwing water upwards it is better for both genders to wiggle the middle-finger of the left hand rather fast while pouring water from the back in direction of the anus. Water plus finger-movement clean away wastes, and the left hand remains relatively clean due to the constant pour of water. The whole process is actually cleaner than doing it with toilet-paper which just smears wastes around the anal area.

Beasty

I'm all prepared. I watched The Survivors when it first came out and now have the DVD

Drumpot

Graces7 wrote: »

CORONA VIRUS NOW A NOTIFIABLE DISEASE

I just was on breaking news.ie; there is a header at the top "coronavirus" and on that page news that coronavirus is now a notifiable diseasea in Ireland and a long piece on coronavirus precautions etc. Much the same as they issued a few weeks ago as they say in the article

I cannot copy paste on this machine so please can some kind person copy/paste the link? Thank you

Headed "Doctors obliged to notify HSE...…."

It should reassure folk.

Please excuse me now as I am very very unwell today but was concerned at the thread earlier that folk were being more worried into panic than was needful.





John for Continuing to say they are ready for everything when they can’t possibly be). Somebody said they were on 6\1 news one day. It should be update segment everyday at this stage.
n weeks ago.

[/QUOTE]

Graces7 your Inbox is full, you cant receive any Pms unless you delete a few.

Hope you get well soon Graces7

scotchy

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231613278880718848

gozunda

Beasty wrote: »

I'm all prepared. I watched The Survivors when it first came out and now have the DVD

Here ye go - just for a bit of nostalgia

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLEw9x0MHNcZQFzdbggBn7sC49v0qD3q3Z

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

Which is one thing to start stocking up on, can’t do without it. Same for hygiene pads, nappies, soap, bleach spray, bin sacks etc. Dry pet food & cat litter etc for the pets.

That moment when that seemingly useless, odd, and out of place bidet you haven't used in 12 years, suddenly starts acquiring an aura of indispensable and treasured appliance.

bodhrandude

Graces7 wrote: »

CORONA VIRUS NOW A NOTIFIABLE DISEASE

I just was on breaking news.ie; there is a header at the top "coronavirus" and on that page news that coronavirus is now a notifiable diseasea in Ireland and a long piece on coronavirus precautions etc. Much the same as they issued a few weeks ago as they say in the article

I cannot copy paste on this machine so please can some kind person copy/paste the link? Thank you

Headed "Doctors obliged to notify HSE...…."

It should reassure folk.

Please excuse me now as I am very very unwell today but was concerned at the thread earlier that folk were being more worried into panic than was needful.





John for Continuing to say they are ready for everything when they can’t possibly be). Somebody said they were on 6\1 news one day. It should be update segment everyday at this stage.
n weeks ago.

[/QUOTE]

Grace here is a link to the article you requested. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/doctors-obliged-to-notify-hse-when-covid-19-cases-diagnosed-983012.html

I’m wondering which one of us here might be first to admit getting it (hopefully not a seriously severe case) and report on how it is or has been when we recover. Of course without testing nobody knows for sure, and in a bad pandemic it will be an educated guess in moderately severe illness not warranting medical intervention. I’m curious to know exactly how people have experienced this illness as a relatively mild dose, eg has it been way, way more horrible than most other viruses one has ever experienced or just like a particularly nasty cold.

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m wondering which one of us here might be first to admit getting it (hopefully not a seriously severe case) and report on how it is or has been when we recover. Of course without testing nobody knows for sure, and in a bad pandemic it will be an educated guess in moderately severe illness not warranting medical intervention. I’m curious to know exactly how people have experienced this illness as a relatively mild dose, eg has it been way, way more horrible than most other viruses one has ever experienced or just like a particularly nasty cold.

Ghoul.

Stheno

bodhrandude wrote: »

Grace here is a link to the article you requested. https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/doctors-obliged-to-notify-hse-when-covid-19-cases-diagnosed-983012.html[/quote]

That's not breaking news that's from last Thursday, not today?

And self isolation instructions etc have been in place before that

Bit of scaremongering by posters tbh trying to frighten people with inaccurate posting

BloodBath

Unearthly wrote: »

Haven't you seen The Leftovers? Losing 2% of the population would bring the world to its knees :pac:

We're not going to lose 2% of the worlds population to this. So much wrong with this logic. Assuming 100% infection rate. Not taking into account unconfirmed cases which means it's actually far below 2% currently.

BanditLuke wrote: »

2% is a best case scenario. Obviously the figure is going to be worse in under prepared health systems like ours.

No it's not. Wuhan has a population twice the size of Ireland in an area 10% of the size facilitating spread. The R0 would be far lower in Ireland and the death rate is far below 2%

Mic 1972 wrote: »

the 2% is currently 3% and it only represents the % of deaths out of total cases, 70% of which still don't have an outcome
An alternate way to look at this is counting the % deaths out of all closed cases, which has stabilized at 10% for the last 2 days.

Considering the undetected cases we can probably assume that Death Rate sits between 3% and 10%

Still here, still misrepresenting the data. How in god's name are you estimating 3-10%? Tell me your logic behind that.

Mic 1972

Deleted User wrote: »

I’m wondering which one of us here might be first to admit getting it (hopefully not a seriously severe case) and report on how it is or has been when we recover. Of course without testing nobody knows for sure, and in a bad pandemic it will be an educated guess in moderately severe illness not warranting medical intervention. I’m curious to know exactly how people have experienced this illness as a relatively mild dose, eg has it been way, way more horrible than most other viruses one has ever experienced or just like a particularly nasty cold.

I'm home with a flue at the moment :rolleyes: not going out and not infecting anybody, I also work from home

BorneTobyWilde

Who wants to gets a holiday home on Valentia Island and ride
this thing out .

Mic 1972

BloodBath wrote:

Still here, still misrepresenting the data. How in god's name are you estimating 3-10%? Tell me your logic behind that.

Data is public, you can look it up. Other people in the meantime seem to understand the logic

Stheno

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’m wondering which one of us here might be first to admit getting it (hopefully not a seriously severe case) and report on how it is or has been when we recover. Of course without testing nobody knows for sure, and in a bad pandemic it will be an educated guess in moderately severe illness not warranting medical intervention. I’m curious to know exactly how people have experienced this illness as a relatively mild dose, eg has it been way, way more horrible than most other viruses one has ever experienced or just like a particularly nasty cold.

Theres been the normal winter viruses floating about my work for weeks but no more than normal

How would anyone know without testing if they had a mild dose?

Unearthly

BloodBath wrote: »

We're not going to lose 2% of the worlds population to this. So much wrong with this logic. Assuming 100% infection rate. Not taking into account unconfirmed cases which means it's actually far below 2% currently.

Yes I was being serious comparing it to a fictional tv show and using a pac man face

BloodBath

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Data is public, you can look it up. Other people in the meantime seem to understand the logic

Oh bollocks. Explain yourself if you are going to scaremonger constantly. Always a cop out with you. A total bluffer.

Every time I call you out you have no answer for it.

But but data.....

Explain with data how you are estimating 3-10%. I'd love to see it.

Duke of Url

Mic 1972 wrote: »

Data is public, you can look it up. Other people in the meantime seem to understand the logic

Your being selective with your data. It’s clear you don’t know how to read it as you are jumping from one data set to another.

Mic 1972

[QUOTE=BloodBath]We're not going to lose 2% of the worlds population to this. So much wrong with this logic. Assuming 100% infection rate. Not taking into account unconfirmed cases which means it's actually far below 2% currently.[/QUOTE]

• Unconfirmed cases have no stats, you can't quantify that number so there's no way you can make a % assumption unless you are using imaginary figures
• 2% (which is now 3%) is based on 70% on unresolved cases, once they are all closed the % will surely be higher, do you think nobody else is gong to die out of that 70%?)

Kermit.de.frog

Stheno wrote: »

Bit of scaremongering by posters tbh trying to frighten people with inaccurate posting

To be perfectly honest i'm not sure there is much to be scared of anyway.

Sooner or later the virus will just be accepted as a reality, to be guarded against - yes, but treated as any other serious illness.

Mic 1972

Duke of Url wrote: »

Your being selective with your data. It’s clear you don’t know how to read it as you are jumping from one data set to another.

you are being random, the stats are out there, anybody can read them and they are very easy to understand

Mic 1972

BloodBath wrote: »

Oh bollocks. Explain yourself if you are going to scaremonger constantly. Always a cop out with you. A total bluffer.

Every time I call you out you have no answer for it.

But but data.....

Explain with data how you are estimating 3-10%. I'd love to see it.

click, scroll down and read. I'm tired of repeating the same stuff over and over

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

also, read below to understand what is wrong with the 3%

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-death-rate/

tuxy

Mic 1972 wrote: »

[*]2% (which is now 3%) is based on 70% on unresolved cases, once they are all closed the % will surely be higher, do you think nobody else is gong to die out of that 70%?)
[/LIST]

Yes if no one else is diagnoed with the virus and people continuje to die then that percentatge will increase.
I just think that at this stage the number of infected won't just halt all of a sudden.