new coronavirus outbreak China, Korea, USA - mod warnings in OP (updated 24/02/20)

Spanish Eyes

Go to your virus free leaba,

For now anyway. It's getting hilarious, hysterical, and so on here now.

But watch how many flights are cancelled. That is my signpost.

fr336

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

1. The thread title should be capitalised.

Or just make a new one - "THE END OF THE WORLD IS HERE (Updates and comments thread)"

pc7

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Just over 800 posts to go and we will have a new thread.

Points to be discussed for the opening post?

1. The thread title should be capitalised.

2. Whoever of us gets the virus first has to pledge to keep posting or they forfeit their spam and beans they’ve stockpiled.

3. Some quick and easy recipes (including how to make bread) should be included.

Anything else?

Small list of items to have ‘just in case’?

Doctor Jimbob

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Has there been any research into the effect of hot whiskeys on the virus?

They are ok if you have a flat 7up chaser with it.

fr336

fr336 wrote: »

Or just make a new one - "THE END OF THE WORLD IS HERE (Updates and comments thread)"

I second this motion. All in agreement say “aye”

fr336

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

How do you manage door handles, bannister rails, escalator belts, cafable tops, bus seats, shopping trollies, paper copies of reports/forms, door keypads, etc.?

Oh of course. But it makes me feel better as knowing my luck I'd catch it from some really silly thing (Yes I know trying to prevent catching it (with or without symptoms) is now pretty much a hiding to nothing, but never give up I say!)

givyjoe

TomSweeney wrote: »

Just to give an insight into how a lot of people are treating this.
My wife laughed at me today when I suggested we stock up on pasta, rice, lentils water etc....
She suggested I see a psychologist when I told her the extent of my worries - "Stop watching John Campbell" she said, he's a youtuber and is not officially on the news so he can't be trusted apparently.

Some people just want to believe the news, the official optimistic reports - it's mind boggling.

Called 'Normalcy Bias' apparently. A fair dose of it around on this thread up until today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

Kermit.de.frog

fr336 wrote: »

Or just make a new one - "THE END OF THE WORLD IS HERE (Updates and comments thread)"

Here is Beasty leading the Current Affairs forum team in September

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbGexBaPzF4

fr336

The good thing about France is whether they like it or not other governments will have to follow. I say good on France and Austria for taking this seriously now rather than later. Well I mean we're already pretty late, but still.

all about the mane

pc7 wrote: »

Small list of items to have ‘just in case’?

And a nuclear bunker. Need to have one of those...

macwal

Would be great if we got a super-spreader here that was handing out social welfare checks.

all about the mane

all about the mane wrote: »

And a nuclear bunker. Need to have one of those...

Don’t be silly. Bats live in caves which are kinda like bunkers.

sdanseo

tuxy wrote: »

The google translate says 70 health establishments not hospitals.

Can someone who can speak French confirm it's 70 hospitals?

The article says 38 health establishments are capable of handling epidemic (presumably COVID-19) patients. France will enable 70 more to do the same. Not build 70 more.

More sensationalism.

pc7

all about the mane wrote: »

And a nuclear bunker. Need to have one of those...

Del Boy is selling one

BanditLuke

Panic buying in Milan

https://twitter.com/Royal_Creme/status/1231640096094531587/photo/3

Jim_Hodge

tuxy wrote: »

The google translate says 70 health establishments not hospitals.

Can someone who can speak French confirm it's 70 hospitals?

Nowhere does it say hospitals, only health establishments and health facilities. L'Hôpital or un Hôpital don't get mentioned.

givyjoe

bennyl10 wrote: »

The flu, worldwide, kills about 500K each year.
Corona isn’t anywhere near this.

It has a much higher survival rate among infected also

Yes it’s a worrying disease. But it isn’t ‘catastrophic’

I can't help replying this nonsense every time I see it. This is a brand new virus literally only about 12 to 16 weeks in humans. Flu has been around for hundreds of years and is many multiples less deadly. Isn't catastrophic, yet. Time is the key here, the virus is only getting started.

TomSweeney

givyjoe wrote: »

Called 'Normalcy Bias' apparently. A fair dose of it around on this thread up until today.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

Normalcy bias has also been called analysis paralysis, the ostrich effect,[2] and by first responders, the negative panic.[3] The opposite of normalcy bias is overreaction, or worst-case scenario bias,[4][5] in which small deviations from normality are dealt with as signals of an impending catastrophe.


in fairness I think I've been getting some of the "worst case scenario bias" ...

BanditLuke

macwal wrote: »

Would be great if we got a super-spreader here that was handing out social welfare checks.

I'd rather see them handed out to bankers and in Leinster House

tuxy

macwal wrote: »

Would be great if we got a super-spreader here that was handing out social welfare checks.

What kind of social welfare checks? What would they be checking for?

wadacrack

fr336 wrote: »

The good thing about France is whether they like it or not other governments will have to follow. I say good on France and Austria for taking this seriously now rather than later. Well I mean we're already pretty late, but still.

Europe will be fighting it, all countries will have to follow similar protocol hopefully. The silence is deafening in Ireland/HSE. Still more concerned with the weather and flights being cancelled to the Canary's

dominatinMC

sdanseo wrote: »

The article says 38 health establishments are capable of handling epidemic (presumably COVID-19) patients. France will enable 70 more to do the same. Not build 70 more.

More sensationalism.

Cheers for clearing that up. I think, given that people are anxious and worried about the issue, posters need to be more vigilant when submitting articles on here. Similarly, earlier someone posted a link stating the UK couple on board the ship had died - which turned out to be complete false. Maybe take some time to review what you are posting before you do so :pac:

BanditLuke

wadacrack wrote: »

Europe will be fighting it, all countries will have to follow similar protocol hopefully. The silence is deafening in Ireland/HSE. Still more concerned with the weather and flights being cancelled to the Canary's

We are always reactive instead of proactive.

Tipperary animal lover

macwal wrote: »

Would be great if we got a super-spreader here that was handing out social welfare checks.

We'll holy s*it the dole bashing had to wrangle it's way into the thread at some stage, your happy to have the less fortunate the elderly the carers the people with disabilities killed off so ya can live in your little perfect world. Gothya

fr336

wadacrack wrote: »

Europe will be fighting it, all countries will have to follow similar protocol hopefully. The silence is deafening in Ireland/HSE. Still more concerned with the weather and flights being cancelled to the Canary's

UK doesn't seem any different to Ireland at the moment. Maybe the EU will mount a joint response and the UK will be left hanging? Not great for me!

Kermit.de.frog

Trains halted on some lines between Austria and Italy until further notice

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-austria-stops-trains-with-italy-over-covid-19-concerns/a-52493063

Damien360

tuxy wrote: »

The google translate says 70 health establishments not hospitals.

Can someone who can speak French confirm it's 70 hospitals?

It says they have 38 currently dedicated health establishments to handle these patients and can expand to 70 which would be enough to cover anything else. Masks are for health professionals, not general public.

wadacrack

I'm seeing nothing on social media either, we talk on media alot of mental health etc. But I guarantee if someone shared something on this they would probably be ridiculed for being a worrier or negative . I have worried about this since I found out about the virus at the end on January. It has definitely affected me mentally the past few weeks

fr336

The only ray of positivity I can see is what people were discussing earlier about a particularly bad dose going around a while back - if that is the case, and it was Corona, then maybe the surge in cases is purely down to people being tested and deaths being treated as not more general causes? A long shot I know, but mildly plausible. And nowhere is still anywhere near as bad as China (whose official figures, which almost certainly aren't true, are bad enough).

Itssoeasy

sdanseo wrote: »

The article says 38 health establishments are capable of handling epidemic (presumably COVID-19) patients. France will enable 70 more to do the same. Not build 70 more.

More sensationalism.

Maybe not sensationalism but a cautionary tale to not use google translate as gospel.

Kermit.de.frog

BanditLuke wrote: »

Panic buying in Milan

https://twitter.com/Royal_Creme/status/1231640096094531587/photo/3

https://twitter.com/mickytorro/status/1231648822540980224

tuxy

Damien360 wrote: »

It says they have 38 currently dedicated health establishments to handle these patients and can expand to 70 which would be enough to cover anything else. Masks are for health professionals, not general public.

Thanks, I was wondering what spaceage technolegy the French had developed to build 70 hospitials overnight!
Yes that did not stop people posting it as fact!

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Maybe not sensationalism but a cautionary tale to not use google translate as gospel.

Google translate got it right for the post part, it was the people posting the article that got it wrong.

fr336

wadacrack wrote: »

I'm seeing nothing on social media either, we talk on media alot of mental health etc. But I guarantee if someone shared something on this they would probably be ridiculed for being a worrier or negative . I have worried about this since I found out about the virus at the end on January. It has definitely affected me mentally the past few weeks

You're not alone. This thread has been a godsend

Musefan

Husband also laughed at me when I suggested doing some stocking up. When I chatted to him about it, he said he actually is laughing really because it seems so surreal. I don't see a huge risk to myself, as I've no pre-existing conditions, and neither does he, but we have parents who do. I also work with kids who cough and splutter over me every day.

Anyway, he finally got a bit more serious and he agreed to doing a non-perishable shop with me tomorrow, of stuff that we will use anyway so there is no wastage. Some of the things I was thinking of were rye bread (very long shelf life), oat/almond milk, those english muffin things from aldi, nuts, cheese, pasta, jarred pasta sauces, beans, frozen and tinned veg and fruit, porridge, paracetamol etc. All the same stuff I buy when we expect to be snowed in. We already have gloves and masks from DIY projects.

Nijmegen

Wonder what the next step is for Austria. Closing your border to trains - plural - means you have a general suspicion of transmission rather than thinking one particular punter on one particular train is a hazard. Next surely is road and air travel. Unless it’s very specific intelligence they’re acting on, but I dunno, feels like more bans will follow.

Itssoeasy

tuxy wrote: »

Thanks, I was wondering what spaceage technolegy the French had developed to build 70 hospitials overnight!
Yes that did not stop people posting it as fact!



Google translate got it right for the post part, it was the people posting the article that got it wrong.

Ah I see.

hmmm

It's time the HSE and the government got a bit more pro-active with communication. What are they going to do if this spreads here which seems increasingly likely. What actions are going to be taken. If we see wide-spread community spread, are they going to ask people to self-isolate and who do they ring if they think they might need medical help, are they going to set up quarantine hospitals, are there plans to try and help elderly or immuno-compromised people.

None of this is scare-mongering, it's just sensible messaging to suggest they are planning ahead.

ZX7R

fr336 wrote: »

The only ray of positivity I can see is what people were discussing earlier about a particularly bad dose going around a while back - if that is the case, and it was Corona, then maybe the surge in cases is purely down to people being tested and deaths being treated as not more general causes? A long shot I know, but mildly plausible. And nowhere is still anywhere near as bad as China (whose official figures, which almost certainly aren't true, are bad enough).

65 people have been tested in Ireland since January according to the hse,
it was on the news during the week,all negative but still shows it was a worry for them .

odyssey06

Situation so serious President of France announcing contingency measures.
One EU state Austria virtually closing borders to another Italy which has shutdown public events in one of its regions.

Meanwhile in Ireland it is Sunday.

babybuilder

They'd care more if you were an Aberdeen Angus or Friesian cow in danger of Foot and Mouth.

Kermit.de.frog

A bit confusing. Here is says all train traffic halted

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1231688863191617536

saabsaab

If this got a hold in Dublin is there a plan to move Government away from danger out to a safer place? Many of our officials and representatives are over 50 and aren't from Dublin anyway.

Damien360

Out of curiosity, would the Ireland v Italy rugby game on 7th March be in jeopardy. Who gets to call that off ?

Nijmegen

saabsaab wrote: »

If this got a hold in Dublin is there a plan to move Government away from danger out to a safer place? Many of our officials and representatives are over 50 and aren't from Dublin anyway.

Down to Saoirse McHugh’s gaff.

tuxy

tuxy wrote: »

Thanks, I was wondering what spaceage technolegy the French had developed to build 70 hospitials overnight!
Yes that did not stop people posting it as fact!



Google translate got it right for the post part, it was the people posting the article that got it wrong.

Wakka did say Open 70 hospitals. Not build.

ZX7R

odyssey06 wrote: »

Situation so serious President of France announcing contingency measures.
One EU state Austria virtually closing borders to another Italy which has shutdown public events in one of its regions.

Meanwhile in Ireland it is Sunday.

To be fair it could spread quicker on mainland Europe .
Ireland probably hoping to escape been an island.

MastiffMrs

TomSweeney wrote: »

How long will schools in Milan be shut for ?
same for travel restrictions ? we talking weeks or months here ?

They're being told it's for the week, but could continue longer than that.

tuxy

Deleted User wrote: »

Wakka did say Open 70 hospitals. Not build.

Even still it would be interesting for a country to have 70 hospitals closed and ready to open for an emergency.

Knex*

fr336 wrote: »

Saw a Twitter comment saying why no cases in India and someone said the virus can't transmit in temperatures over 24 degrees - wishful thinking?

Should probably flick the thermostat up a bit so.

Damien360

Damien360 wrote: »

Out of curiosity, would the Ireland v Italy rugby game on 7th March be in jeopardy. Who gets to call that off ?

I wouldn’t be surprised if it gets cancelled